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 Nov 1, 09, 18:31    #241
Mister H:
Leona Lewis

There is nothing in this story to suggest that this has to do with the colour of her skin.
It is only the singers interpretation.

A quiet shop, one perp inside and her mate outside keeping the edge ? If you were the shopkeeper and had been robbed before, wouldn't you be nervous ?

What colour was the shop assistant ?


Makes me want to go to her next booksigning............

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 Nov 1, 09, 18:35    #242
Thatcher wanted to have her cake and eat it too. She loved British institutions like the SAS and the pound sterling, amongst others. However, she always had a certain segment of the British population in mind and not all the habitually-resident Brits of various ethnicity from other countries originally. Britain has such a double standard on immigration and I say this as a Brit.
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 Nov 1, 09, 18:40    #243
szkotja2007:
There is nothing in this story to suggest that this has to do with the colour of her skin.

Pointing at her Dad and saying "I don't like the look of him!" - it's hardly rocket science, although I agree that if she shopkeeper had been done over before, they might be suspicious.

I wouldn't have thought that Leona Lewis and her Dad browsing in a shop is exactly the same image as a couple of blingers in hoodies. I can't see why they were thrown out unless the shop had an unoffical "no blacks" policy.
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Edited by: time means  Nov 1, 09, 18:43    #244
Mister H:
"I don't like the look of him!"

Do we have the shopkeepers version or do we just believe it because it's some crappy reality star with a new album and perfume to flog at christmas?

A nice bit of publicity.
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 Nov 1, 09, 19:23    #245
This alleged attack ( sounds more like a publicity attack ) happened a few months ago.

Leona's new single, Happy, is released on 9 November and her new album, Echo, on 16 November. Her autobiography, Dreams (Hodder & Stoughton, £20), is out now.

Her Dad looked dodgy and was asked to leave a shop - big deal.
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 Nov 1, 09, 20:23    #246
szkotja2007:
Her Dad looked dodgy and was asked to leave a shop - big deal.

Would you like that to happen to you on account of your race ?
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 Nov 1, 09, 21:58    #247
The point is....it wasn't because of her race.
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 Nov 1, 09, 22:06    #248
szkotja2007:
The point is....it wasn't because of her race.

You can't say that for sure.

I know we don't have all the facts, but what we do know is that the shopkeeper "didn't like the look" of Leona and her father.

What reason, other than pure and simple racism, could there be for them being slung out ?
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Edited by: szkotja2007  Nov 1, 09, 22:12    #249
Maybe she was rude obnoxious and full of her own self importance - who knows ?

Why doesnt she name and shame the shop? Why didnt she call the Police ? Why wait until the release of her new album et al ?

Her allegation contains no hint of racism.

Racism in London - sure.
Leona using the race card to garner sympathy - maybe.
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 Nov 3, 09, 01:46    #250
jonni:
I live two and a half hours away from Doncaster, by Wizzair. My family are there, my closest friends (at least the ones still alive) are there

But you don't live or work there. Enough said.
jonni:
Most British people (of whatever colour) have fundamental common sense. They know skin colour is just a detail, they are open to new experiences. The know the people in their workplace, in-laws, neighbours with different cultural backgrounds, and they get on with it. They see the best in a situation. Racists exist, as do misogynists, fascists, misers and misanthropes. But most people just get on with life and welcome people with total disregard for wherever their granny came from.

I take it your a liberal then if you think like that, or infact i would just say your out of touch, maybe things were like that when you departed for your beloved new home but i can asure you its nothing like that now. I reality its just been under the surface, i think all it needed was something like the uncontrolled immigration that we have had for the past 6/7 years for things to flare up and that is whats starting to happen.
jonni:
By the way, why do you use the pseudonym 'BritishEmpire'? That is an concept long, long gone and not much missed.

I really can't be bothered to go into explaining why i chose it, 1. because i can't be ar$ed to type it, 2. whats it got to do with you.
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Edited by: Ironside  Nov 3, 09, 01:46    #251
Mister H:
Why is it not possible for EU immigration to be the same as non-EU immigration ?

Because you cannot change basic EU law, freedom of travel,you do understand all the implications, do I really need to go into it?

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BritishEmpire:
yes it is and if the EUSSR doesn't like it then it can swing, as far as iam concerned my country is far more important than the EUSSR.

Are we discussing facts here or we are talking about sentiments?
If later, I can congratulate on your fine sentiments, if former you can do nothing about it.

BritishEmpire:
No we should just issue migrant workers with permits and when their time is up they can either extend their permit if they are still needed and if they're not then its on the bus and back home.

If the pigs had wings they could fly......are we having discussion here based on reality or we indulge in fantasy world?
BritishEmpire:
So if it was proven to be part of human DNA what would you say then?. Don't have so much faith in human intelligence as you put it, humans have a real problem with going against instincts and it always ends in tears or causes real problems. Most people only accept other races so much because of cultural doctrination

In my opinion culture is everything and race is only secondary issue, although I would like to preserve my race (white).
When you say cultural indoctrination do you mean Christianity?
[quote=BritishEmpire]well it was like that before.
Before ?
When 5, 10, 20 years ago ?
Problem with "before" is, there is aways before "before":)
Seriously, progress and constant improvement is misleading perception and can be viewed as cultural "indoctrination".


ShelleyS

Since England is part of EU:P
Taking sentences out of the contexts is never good idea.
Point is if you would import workers from foreign country's is very hard to stop them from settle .. and to make sure nobody settle, there two choices:
- do not import workers from abroad
- export your factory's and sometimes services
What do you think owners, fat cats and such will do ?
And there darn thing you can do about it sweet Shelley!
OH! You could compromise but it means to allow migrant workers in ....and consequently some of them to settle.
I would like to see as England goes against the grain, and if successful I would implement such policy in Poland. (but is only wishful thinking as is not only about immigrants but also about trade, reciprocity and such( NWO, social engineering) ....just a thought.
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 Nov 3, 09, 23:21    #252
Ironside:
Because you cannot change basic EU law, freedom of travel,you do understand all the implications, do I really need to go into it?

Why can't the basic laws be changed if that is what the majority of the UK population want ? (I'm sure that would be the consensus if we were ever asked)

Laws can be reversed. It happens all the time when it suits politicians.
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 Nov 4, 09, 22:40    #253
Mister H:
Why can't the basic laws be changed if that is what the majority of the UK population want ? (I'm sure that would be the consensus if we were ever asked)

Because you are part of EU and either you can accept it or secede.
That the only choice you have ( I think you can secede, not sure)


Mister H:
Laws can be reversed. It happens all the time when it suits politicians.

Reversion of that law will not suit politicians, democracy and political system and world order clearly indicate it!

I-S (well....)
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 Nov 4, 09, 22:49    #254
Ironside:
Because you are part of EU and either you can accept it or secede.
That the only choice you have ( I think you can secede, not sure)

I don't know what secade means, bt it's probably something that won't happen if it means a more even playing field.

Ironside:
Reversion of that law will not suit politicians, democracy and political system and world order clearly indicate it!

It won't suit them I know, but I think that the tide of public opinion is turning to the point where something will have to be done if they want to stay in power.
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 Nov 4, 09, 23:36    #255
Ironside is right here, Mister H. David Cameron actually went back on a promise when the Czech rep signed the Lisbon Treaty. He promised a referendum but felt that meddling after the completion of the process by the Eurosceptic Czech leader was not the right thing to do. The globalists are adamant that the drive towards a federal states of Europe remains on course. The world order is very much geared towards it.

Just look at Thatcher as a case in point. She spoke her mind time and again against further European integration but even her own Ministers went against her, accomplishing what was thought to be the impossible by bringing her round to the ERM logic. Maastricht marked the turning of the corner and then came Amsterdam in 1999, 7 years later. She wasn't able to stem the tide. If Thatcher couldn't maintain the sovereignty that she yearned after, then Brown and Cameron are most certainly not going to either.

Public opinion means nothing to the globally bought politicians we have today.
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 Nov 4, 09, 23:37    #256
Mister H:
I don't know what secade means,

Secede - mean you leaving EU.
In Italian it sounds pretty - secessione.

Mister H:
It won't suit them I know, but I think that the tide of public opinion is turning to the point where something will have to be done if they want to stay in power.

Something will be done, no doubt but nobody will ban freedom of travel within EU borders.

I-S (for a record Ironside voted nay in referendum about joining EU)
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 Nov 5, 09, 03:53    #257
Ironside:
Are we discussing facts here or we are talking about sentiments?
If later, I can congratulate on your fine sentiments, if former you can do nothing about it.

Hindsight would be a bit more on course and i can asure you i along with many other people can do alot about it. Whilst i may only have one vote i am one of many.
Ironside:
If the pigs had wings they could fly......are we having discussion here based on reality or we indulge in fantasy world?

O.k now your just making yourself look like a d1ck, if there are countries that have policies that are identical to what i said and they are using them right now then why would you come out with something like that?.
Ironside:
In my opinion culture is everything and race is only secondary issue, although I would like to preserve my race (white).
When you say cultural indoctrination do you mean Christianity?

Well your entitled to your opinion but it doesn't mean you are right so don't try and take the moral high ground. In my opinion race and culture is everything because they are so intertwined, for example you wont see an asian culture eating fish and chips and celebrating christmas will you. By cultural indoctrination i mean multiculturalism.
Ironside:
Seriously, progress and constant improvement is misleading perception and can be viewed as cultural "indoctrination".

Well that would depend if people had a say on it or not.
Ironside:
Point is if you would import workers from foreign country's is very hard to stop them from settle .. and to make sure nobody settle, there two choices

So how is it so difficult, person A comes into the country and gets issued with a permit to work and a I.D card, when their time is up they are given ex amount of days to leave and if they don't they are removed just like in many other countries. And we haven't imported workers, people are not products so they are not imported they are allowed to come and work.
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 Nov 5, 09, 11:09    #258
BritishEmpire:
Hindsight would be a bit more on course and i can asure you i along with many other people can do alot about it. Whilst i may only have one vote i am one of many.

I agree that "hindsight" is a better description than just "sentiment" or the "good ol' days", although that does have a little to do with it. If we weren't a bit sentimental, then we wouldn't be bothered at all

BritishEmpire:
for example you wont see an asian culture eating fish and chips and celebrating christmas will you.

Do you know any asian people ? The ones that I know all celebrate Christmas in some way or other. They may not go to church and celebrate the birth of Christ, but they're not exactly alone in that one are they ?

BritishEmpire:
So how is it so difficult, person A comes into the country and gets issued with a permit to work and a I.D card, when their time is up they are given ex amount of days to leave and if they don't they are removed just like in many other countries.

We do need something like this. People should be counted in and out and the authorities should always have some figures to say how many foreign nationals are here at any one time.

Total freedom of movement, no borders and no real rules is insane. It's this immigration carnage that is making people move towards the BNP.
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Edited by: BritishEmpire  Nov 6, 09, 03:37    #259
Mister H:
I agree that "hindsight" is a better description than just "sentiment" or the "good ol' days", although that does have a little to do with it. If we weren't a bit sentimental, then we wouldn't be bothered at all

I suppose thats very true as i was always told that in order to know where you are going you should always know where you have come from, so in reality its surely inevitable that the past will always shape our future.
Mister H:
Do you know any asian people ? The ones that I know all celebrate Christmas in some way or other. They may not go to church and celebrate the birth of Christ, but they're not exactly alone in that one are they ?

I know lots but i was referring the culture as a whole ;-). Try and find a shop that is open on christmas day that isn't staffed by an asian person.
Mister H:
We do need something like this. People should be counted in and out and the authorities should always have some figures to say how many foreign nationals are here at any one time.

Total freedom of movement, no borders and no real rules is insane. It's this immigration carnage that is making people move towards the BNP.

Its funny that you should say that because if i remember rightly it was something that the liberal democrat MP mentioned on question time.
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Edited by: Mister H  Nov 8, 09, 01:11    #260
BritishEmpire:
I know lots but i was referring the culture as a whole ;-). Try and find a shop that is open on christmas day that isn't staffed by an asian person.

True, however, I think that anyone that feels the need to shop on Christmas Day is lacking a certain something (by that I mean lacking something mentally as oppose to a pint of milk or whatever).

I can't think of anything that is sold in those corner shops that insist on opening on such days that cannot wait until the 27th December.

But then I wish that the sales didn't start on Boxing Day and that shops kept their decorations up until 12th night (or failing that until the New Year at the very least). In my local Tesco it's like Christmas never happened by the 27th December. They have a Christmas tree up now (on the 8th of friggin' November FFS) and they'll probably take it down on Christmas Eve!!!

BritishEmpire:
Its funny that you should say that because if i remember rightly it was something that the liberal democrat MP mentioned on question time.

It was mentioned on this week's Question Time too (the issue of controlled immigration). Robert Kilroy-Silk raised the issue and Ian Blair (I don't do titles) slapped him down and all but called him a racist. It was even picked up upon by a member of the audience that Ian Blair wasn't being fair in being so quick to judge. Sadly it was right at the end of the programme and there wasn't time to discuss it further. Another missed opportunity !
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 Nov 8, 09, 21:04    #261
BritishEmpire:
i can asure you i along with many other people can do alot about it. Whilst i may only have one vote i am one of many.

Good luck!

BritishEmpire:
k now your just making yourself look like a d1ck, if there are countries that have policies that are identical to what i said and they are using them right now then why would you come out with something like that?

Its very simple, Britain is part of the EU and if you don't understand implications of said fact you may as well talk about Conan and his achievements!

BritishEmpire:
ell your entitled to your opinion but it doesn't mean you are right so don't try and take the moral high ground. In my opinion race and culture is everything because they are so intertwined,

Well,maybe you are right.
Nevertheless on individual level it doesn't matter as trash and ******** are everywhere regardless the race.
BritishEmpire:
By cultural indoctrination i mean multiculturalism.

Well, at last we agree on something.

BritishEmpire:
Well that would depend if people had a say on it or not.

dead on:)

BritishEmpire:
So how is it so difficult,

EU law!
BritishEmpire:
And we haven't imported workers, people are not products so they are not imported they are allowed to come and work.

semantics...
Mister H:
t was mentioned on this week's Question Time too (the issue of controlled immigration). Robert Kilroy-Silk raised the issue and Ian Blair (I don't do titles) slapped him down and all but called him a racist.

told you, do you think that you can gather enough support to push it through?

Against the EU, against fats cats and such .... optimist comes to mind :)
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 Nov 9, 09, 13:25    #262
Ironside:
Its very simple, Britain is part of the EU and if you don't understand implications of said fact you may as well talk about Conan and his achievements!

The UK, and indeed any other member state can end the free movement of labour from the ten accession states with a stroke of a pen.

Ive posted this before but people(Poles) seem to conveniently ignore it and claim free movement of labour cannot be revoked. It can, and hopefully in time, it will. In Germany and Austria, the ten accession states citizens need a work permit to gain employment.

iv) safeguard clause (paragraph 7)

If an old Member State stops using national law measures and moves to free movement of workers under Community law, there is a possibility to re-impose restrictions if there are serious disturbances on the labour market, or the threat thereof. These "safeguard" clauses have always featured in accession Treaties, but have never been invoked. Therefore the Commission has no practical experience in their operation. However, it is clear that the Commission would expect a Member State to put forward convincing proof of a high level of disturbance on the labour market, in order to justify seeking to re-impose a restriction on free movement of workers, one of the four fundamental freedoms under the EC Treaty*. This same comment will apply to the use of the safeguard clause as between the new Member States (under paragraph 11).
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Edited by: BritishEmpire  Nov 10, 09, 03:16    #263
Ironside:
Good luck!

Thanks
Ironside:
Its very simple, Britain is part of the EU and if you don't understand implications of said fact you may as well talk about Conan and his achievements!

Well i think the point is that we don't have to stay in the EU, no matter what obstacles are in place they can all be over come. I would say that the leading two parties in the field of immigration control (BNP & UKIP) are both commited to pulling out of the EU. For me i don't care about the EU, there are lots of countries that survive without the EU and its good that they do because the EU only exists because of its members and if they leave the beast will die so the more that stay out the weaker it will be.
Ironside:
Nevertheless on individual level it doesn't matter as trash and ******** are everywhere regardless the race.

Well maybe you should spend a few years in london then you would realise that these individual that you speak of exist more in some cultures than others.
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Edited by: Ironside  Nov 10, 09, 12:49    #264
RevokeNice:
The UK, and indeed any other member state can end the free movement of labour from the ten accession states with a stroke of a pen.

They can limit it, yes, however any steps to seriously re-impose restrictions need EU blessing

RevokeNice:
the Commission would expect a Member State to put forward convincing proof of a high level of disturbance on the labour market, in order to justify seeking to re-impose a restriction on free movement of workers, one of the four fundamental freedoms under the EC Treaty*

So, not exactly with a stroke of the pen RN!

Anyway I had in mind not free movement of workers but free travel between member states of the EU.
I also mean that member states of EU are limited in their reactions and legislations because their are bond by EU law.
Another point for you to think about is that not everyone in ....lets say Ireland are of the same opinion about EU and immigration or migration as you, there are fat cats, businessmen and others which not only are happy with the EU but they embrace that situation.

BritishEmpire:
I would say that the leading two parties in the field of immigration control (BNP & UKIP) are both commited to pulling out of the EU.

Well, if you think so....I wouldn't overestimate it, thought.
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Edited by: BritishEmpire  Nov 11, 09, 03:46    #265
Ironside:
lets say Ireland are of the same opinion about EU and immigration or migration as you, there are fat cats, businessmen and others which not only are happy with the EU but they embrace that situation.

Well thats the whole problem with the EU, its no better than communism in that a handful of people are deciding for us on major issues that really affect us and at the same time making a mockery of democracy.

Ironside:
Well, if you think so....I wouldn't overestimate it, thought.

Maybe one of them wouldn't go through with it, my guess would be that UKIP wouldn't carry it through but aslong as there are people that want out of the EU then these parties will continue to attract support.
Even so i along with many other people do not fear the EU when it tries to scare us into thinking that we cannot survive without it and it wont do this and it wont do that if we pull out. The fact remains that it will have to draw up some sort of trade agreement with us because it has no choice but to do so and i would be happy to join the ranks of free countries like norway and switzerland that already enjoy freedom of trade but without the BS policies.
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 Nov 11, 09, 09:16    #266
Ironside:
They can limit it, yes, however any steps to seriously re-impose restrictions need EU blessing

All you need to do is present your case. The facts speak for themselves. Want them?

Ironside:
Anyway I had in mind not free movement of workers but free travel between member states of the EU.
I also mean that member states of EU are limited in their reactions and legislations because their are bond by EU law.

Tourists, yes. Economic migrants, no.

Ironside:
Another point for you to think about is that not everyone in ....lets say Ireland are of the same opinion about EU and immigration or migration as you, there are fat cats, businessmen and others which not only are happy with the EU but they embrace that situation.

Seventy per cent of the people want it to end. To hell with the gombeens.
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 Nov 11, 09, 09:53    #267
Ironside:
Well, if you think so....I wouldn't overestimate it, thought.

I thought that, but the numbers are growing, more worryingly for the BNP.

RevokeNice:
Seventy per cent of the people want it to end.

Have you got a link to prove the numbers - whilst I know a lot of people are unhappy, Im not sure its 70%, half the chav population of Britain dont even know what the EU is!
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 Nov 11, 09, 09:55    #268
ShelleyS:
Have you got a link to prove the numbers - whilst I know a lot of people are unhappy, Im not sure its 70%, half the chav population of Britain dont even know what the EU is!

Google it, I am still coming up. If you havent found the article, I will find the link when I finish up later on tonight.
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Edited by: szkotja2007  Apr 2, 10, 00:23    #269
In Scotland - its legal to set fire to BNP billboards.
linky

Aberdeen Sheriff Court heard the blaze had put the BNP £200 out of pocket in damages. Ross, was admonished of the charge


P.S The BNP support in Aberdeen comprise of around two idiots who dont even live there.
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 Apr 2, 10, 00:30    #270
szkotja2007: Aberdeen Sheriff Court heard the blaze had put the BNP £200 out of pocket in damages. Ross, was admonished of the charge

Dont worry, Im sure the Scotish League will recompence them for their loss! Dont think for one minute their isnt a movement up there...


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