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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Feb 4, 10, 21:51 #61

TIT:

Reason why you see many Poles in UK is because in some ways we are connected to each other

Nope..main reason was that the labor marked of GB was open for polish workers whereas those of Germany and France and others were still closed.

TheOther:

Nah, they are American:

Nah, they are German! ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraft_Foods

Germany takes Great Britain over at last! (Okay...abit long winded way and it took awhile but still....)

heh

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 4, 10, 21:58 #62
America, aha. Thanks! Well, Warren Buffet has a major stake in them, I know that much. American is not British ;) ;) (observation of the decade). I see Nick Griffin is finally rubbing off on people (British English ;) ;))

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Feb 4, 10, 22:00 #63

jarnowa:

the Brits should not protest against people from a fellow EU country.
they better protest against all the paki's, turks and africans coming to their country.

A couple of years ago I read an article in a Black newspaper (it was aimed at a Black readership) which argued that UK was letting all the migrant workers from EU into the country to re-whiten it. They said it was unfair because UK had no link with these countries in the way it had with it's Asian and African (former) colonies.

TITThreads: 9 Posts: 353 Joined: Jan 7, 10 ♂	Feb 4, 10, 22:14 #64
Trevek different point of view, these descendants of ex British colonies are definitely not supporters of our European affairs. For them EU is a threat. Europeans have a problem with each other but trying to work together to compete with China, India, Russia and US. Thats basically the reason for make us all work together united.

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Feb 4, 10, 23:27 #65
TIT: different point of view, these descendants of ex British colonies are definitely not supporters of our European affairs. For them EU is a threat. I think that's what the article said. I have no opinion on it, just throwing it into the mix.

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Feb 5, 10, 14:49 #66
SeanBM: Thousands of workers from building sites, power plants and oil refineries will join the protest. good luck to them, but I think they will learn were real power is ....money, money

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Feb 5, 10, 16:23 #67

jarnowa:

the Brits should not protest against people from a fellow EU country.
they better protest against all the paki's, turks and africans coming to their country.

Torq:

Seriously - that's really interesting. Why do they protest against Poles, Spaniards,
Italians and Portuguese and not against Pakis, Hindu, Nigerians, Chinese and other
non-EU immigrants?

You guys are passing the buck.
Blame it on the next guy and these Brits include people of Pakistani, Nigerian, Chinese and other non-E.U. back grounds and the Hindu faith etc...

TIT:

you know that the Europeans girls have a common things with you

Not that much actually, Poland and Ireland have very little shared history, just individual cases until very recently.

TIT:

what about non European bums ? they are reserved for their folks, well most of the time. What about talking with her about common things?

Why do you feel it necessary to limit your conversations?

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 56 Posts: 5,267 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Feb 5, 10, 18:27 #68
TIT: Reason why you see many Poles in UK is because in some ways we are connected to each other hey!

delphiandomineThreads: 40 Posts: 9,587 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂	Feb 5, 10, 18:30 #69
SeanBM: Not that much actually, Poland and Ireland have very little shared history, just individual cases until very recently. There's actually quite a lot of links between Scotland and Poland, even extending to some Polish names being of Scottish origin.

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Feb 5, 10, 19:39 #70

I am British born and bred, worked all over the world, i now have my own business in England.

I have now and previously had many foreign workers. I can honestly say that i would always employ a Pole over any other nationality ( as long as their language skills are good).

Polish have a different work ethic to the Brits and most europeans.

My experience of British workers is poor- Constantly sick, lazy and concerned about their working rights etc etc.. Non productive generally!

Polish, however, are a blessing as employees - They are hardworking, willing, trustworthy, never let you down and a very high work ethic.

Give me a Polish worker any day

KsysiaThreads: 39 Posts: 545 Joined: May 6, 09 ♀	Feb 5, 10, 19:47 #71
Thanks napster ;)

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Feb 5, 10, 21:22 #72

Trevek:

A couple of years ago I read an article in a Black newspaper (it was aimed at a Black readership) which argued that UK was letting all the migrant workers from EU into the country to re-whiten it.

Ridiculous :D , thanks for sharing this funny story.

But even if this was true, they are immigrant themselves and immigrants shouldn't complain about the country they moved to.

They said it was unfair because UK had no link with these countries in the way it had with it's Asian and African (former) colonies.

It is more unfair that people who have never suffered from colonization claim that they have somehow the right to live in those countries.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Feb 5, 10, 21:26 #73
jarnowa: It is more unfair that people who have never suffered from colonization claim that they have somehow the right to live in those countries. That would be a whole of Brits, Germans, Dutch, Spanish, French etc.

jarnowaThreads: 5 Posts: 797 Joined: Nov 21, 09 ♂	Feb 6, 10, 11:33 #74
z_darius: That would be a whole of Brits, Germans, Dutch, Spanish, French etc. Yes, but you know that they don't need to use the same stupid claims that paki's etc. use.

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Edited by: Mister H Feb 7, 10, 13:43 #75

delphiandomine:

No wonder they're protesting, most of them are clearly thick as ****, vote BNP, complain about "bloody foreigners" and then demand that their (equally thick as ****) wife cooks them "chikkin tikka masala innit" for dinner.

I'd be surprised if any of them have ever seen, let alone read a proper newspaper in their life.

What judgemental nonsense !

Why do people always have to bring the BNP into these kind of debates ? It's NOT racist to complain about uncontrolled immigration !

The BNP tried to get in on the act at the protests at the Lindsey oil refinery and were told to get lost. This is not about race.

Your comments are offensive and you're just playing to the gallery.

delphiandomine:

I'm sorry, but no-one has the right to work. If you're good enough, you'll get hired - if you're not good enough or inflexible, then you won't. It's pretty damn simple.

Economics and whether or not employers are just using cheaper foreign labour to avoid paying a liveable wage comes into it too.

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Feb 7, 10, 13:57 #76

I have to say that, if anyone observes demographic trends, they can be alarming. Although not an advocate of the BNP for the present time, they do have a fixed position (prima facie). Labour made noises but did nothing. They are just as much 'I'm alright Jack' as the Tories. Just look at the expenses scandal for that.

My point is that there may come a time when the BNP will be advantageous in stemming the tide. Personally, I'd prefer the UKIP as they appear to be a bit more sensible but Britain has really lost part of its identity. The only way I could pick out a true Scot was by seeing them reeling through the streets drunk ;) ;) Yes, some multiculturalism but there are limits.

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Feb 7, 10, 14:40 #77

Seanus:

My point is that there may come a time when the BNP will be advantageous in stemming the tide. Personally, I'd prefer the UKIP as they appear to be a bit more sensible but Britain has really lost part of its identity.

I would agree with you on that one. I really do hope that UKIP manage to secure a decent foothold after the next election and become a real voice in British politics.

I would never want to see success for the BNP and any they do have is mainly down to the main parties dillydallying around the important subjects.

I hope that the protest was a success (don't recall seeing it anywhere in the news though) and I fully support their agenda.

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Feb 7, 10, 14:45 #78

The point is that they have the power to impose caps but didn't do it (Labour). They don't seem to see that it is better to take steps to prevent problems, rather than spend a lot of time repairing the damage.

The BNP as our main party would send out a bleak message to other European countries and Nick Griffin just doesn't have the air of a statesman (not that Brown is so great either). The UKIP are at least getting the message out there and are currying favour nicely.

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Edited by: BritishEmpire Feb 8, 10, 00:23 #79

the napster:

Polish have a different work ethic to the Brits and most europeans.

I think what we are looking at are bigger incentives, given the chance most poles will be just as lazy as anyone else its just that for the moment the lure of money gives them the drive to work. Saying that if i got five times more money than i do right now i would certainley have a better work ethic, not to say i have a bad one but it it would be different.

the napster:

i now have my own business in England.

I have now and previously had many foreign workers. I can honestly say that i would always employ a Pole over any other nationality ( as long as their language skills are good).

I think you need to take a few minutes to understand what you have said as the answer is in the response you gave, as a business owner i can understand why you enjoy having large numbers of low paid, harder working individuals as you main concern is for your business and not for your employees so its natural that you should be pleased.

the napster:

concerned about their working rights

So they should be, that isn't a bad thing and it shouldn't worry you if you are treating your staff well?.

Mister H:

Why do people always have to bring the BNP into these kind of debates

Well i would says theres two reasons why, the first one is an attempt to stifle any conversation regarding immigrants or immigration and the second reason is because they are scared of the BNP gaining power because it would rain on their parade.
Personaly i see the BNP as a tool, infact i see all parties as a tool because they are there to do the things that i and others would like to see done, in the case of the BNP i have no quarms in voting for them as i see them as a tool to control and reverse the immigration that has spoilt a once prosperous (no debt) and pleasant country. If we are honest with ourselves we dont vote for a party because we agree with everything they say, we only vote because they tick the most boxes when it comes to what matters most to us which is why i dont care if some members of the BNP are racist or not because as our recent MP scandal has show our MP's are not as nice as we thought they all were.
People can say what they like in public because behind closed doors anything can happen.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Edited by: SeanBM Feb 8, 10, 00:51 #80
BritishEmpire: in the case of the BNP i have no quarms in voting for them as i see them as a tool to control and reverse the immigration Is the UKIP not an acceptable alternative to the BNP on this particular issue? why? why not? I don't know much about the UKIP, I am just curious.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Feb 8, 10, 00:55 #81
BritishEmpire: BNP as a tool Most of their members and voters are certainly tools.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Edited by: SeanBM Feb 8, 10, 00:58 #82
What about the UKIP Jonni? I saw one piece of promotional material, the UKIP were showing that immigration issues had to be dealt with (but they did not say how) and that they were not racists like the BNP. I have not read anything more about them and I am just a little curious if they are gaining political ground? Edit* I have some answers from their website here

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Edited by: jonni Feb 8, 10, 01:03 #83

SeanBM:

I am just a little curious if they are gaining political ground?

So far yes, according to surveys, as a protest vote by people dissatisfied with Labour, who instinctively don't trust the Tory Turnip Taliban, and have too much common sense to vote for Benito Griffin's Numpty Nazis.

Essentially though, they're opportunists (not unique among politicians) and come the election, anything can happen. One or two decent candidates though, and they seem to perform well as local councillors.

jarnowaThreads: 5 Posts: 797 Joined: Nov 21, 09 ♂	Feb 8, 10, 01:30 #84
as both parties probably cannot beat the big two, it's wiser to vote for the most extreme party because it's a bigger warning to stop non-EU immigration and multiculturalism.

convexThreads: 47 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Feb 8, 10, 04:57 #85
SeanBM: I saw one piece of promotional material, the UKIP were showing that immigration issues had to be dealt with (but they did not say how) and that they were not racists like the BNP. A vote for BNP is a clear sign of discontent with immigration as that's the main issue that BNP is associated with. It's an extreme vote, but one that the big boys will be forced to look at.

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Edited by: Krakman Feb 8, 10, 04:58 #86

The majority of the new generation British workers are not hungry enough and all have delusions of being the Boss. The saying of 'too many chiefs and not enough Indians' is still very true. In general there is a lot of weakness/softness in the current generation, which wasn't there when Britain carved out its reputation as a world leader.

Saying that, it can't be easy having to compete with foreign workers who travel to the UK with no intention of spending their money there, i.e 10 people living in a small house, saving every single Penny possible, etc. Compare this to a man with a mortgage and family, having to actually live comfortably in a place and provide for his family. Unfortunately the family Man is fighting a losing battle, as he will always be undercut and probably outworked by the foreigner. Some might say this is good for businesses and causes competition, but the only loser is the native and his family.

Long term the only solution is to fight fire with fire, defiantly raise the Union Jack, get strong and be prepared to work for a similar amount as foreigners whilst showing the same willingness and hunger too. Exactly what I intend to do should I return.

P.s Second thoughts, sounds too much like hard work, think I'll just stay here. lol.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Feb 8, 10, 05:13 #87
Foreign workers is one thing, and I certainly sympathize with those Brits who lost jobs to foreigners. Could other matters, possibly far more serious, be one of the reasons for BNP's popularity?

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Edited by: SeanBM Feb 8, 10, 12:10 #88

convex:

A vote for BNP is a clear sign of discontent with immigration as that's the main issue that BNP is associated with. It's an extreme vote, but one that the big boys will be forced to look at.

From the top two issues the UKIP have on there website, it seems leaving the E.U. and stopping immigration are their two main objectives.

# UKIP will leave the political EU and trade globally and freely. We will re-embrace today’s fast-growing Commonwealth and we will encourage UK manufacturing so that we make things again.
# We will freeze immigration for five years, speed up deportation of up to a million illegal immigrants by tripling the numbers engaged in deportations, and have ‘no home no visa’ work permits to ease the housing crisis.

I think it is scary to see people vote for clearly known racists especially when there is an alternative like the UKIP.
I have to say it reminds me of Hitler's rise to power.

z_darius:

Could other matters, possibly far more serious, be one of the reasons for BNP's popularity?

There is a thread about it:
BBC defend decision to invite the BNP to appear on tonight's "Question Time"

g60editionThreads: 10 Posts: 284 Joined: Jan 18, 09 ♂	Feb 8, 10, 13:50 #89
SeanBM: I have to say it reminds me of Hitler's rise to power Wow how old are you? (Just kidding)

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Edited by: jonni Feb 8, 10, 14:03 #90

SeanBM:

I have to say it reminds me of Hitler's rise to power.

Yes. Griffin is no Hitler, but the BNP is decidedly neo-nazi. Not just motivated by some sort of nebulous dissatisfaction about immigration levels, but ideological racists and fascists.

Just as Germans didn't know what they were getting until it was too late, some naive people may vote for them without really understanding what they believe in.

When the NSDAP rose to power, more slowly than most people realise, nobody had any idea what might come - they were a totally new thing. The only thing the voters could compare them with was the Fascisti in Italy, who in their early days seemed to be making some order out of the traditional chaos of Italian public life. In Germany they fought elections on a platform of law and order and traditional morality. They became the face of evil.

But people today are less naive (and less hungry and desperate than late '20s Germans). And when we see photos of BNP members strutting round in black uniforms or doing silly salutes, we know exactly what they're about.

The UKIP may be buffoons, but they aren't evil. The BNP know they're the bad guys.

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