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Edited by: jonni Feb 10, 10, 04:11 #151

They won't get even within a sniff of power, but if by some collective slip of the pen on illions of ballot papers, there'd probably be riots and mass civil disobedience. Fascism can only work by force, and they don't have that.

There'd also be a flood of capital out of the country and economic instability.

Their policies on Ireland (bringing it back into the UK) would gain them a few enemies too.

jarnowaThreads: 5 Posts: 797 Joined: Nov 21, 09 ♂	Feb 10, 10, 13:42 #152
jonni: They've all had their collar felt, usually for inciting hatred. you know what causes hatred? giving a lot of freebies to immigrants from tax money earned by native Brits. it's good the BNP is gaining popularity in UK, because this has to stop and a lot of immigrants need to kicked out of the country.

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Feb 10, 10, 13:51 #153

Well, there is that but Brits need to wake up to a newer reality. They've always had a been in their bonnets about taxes and benefits but think about war expenses. It costs the US $2.6 billion a month and the UK figure is likely high too. The crisis also creamed the middle class and the British motto needs to be The Who's song, 'We're Not Gonna Take It'. Foreigners are just exercising their rights, it is the British government that needs to look inward(s). For now, printing virtual money will have to do ;0 ;)

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Feb 10, 10, 15:20 #154

BritishEmpire:

Increase efficiency through the use of technology

BritishEmpire:

government always fiddles the figures

BritishEmpire:

governments apply marshal law

BritishEmpire:

the world "racist" is very loose and widely applied these days

BritishEmpire:

if it wasn't true then why do we have black and white people

BritishEmpire:

O sh1t thats not racist though is it because they are coloured

BritishEmpire:

roman empire

BritishEmpire:

if the only thing that matters to you is how much money you have then all i can say is you are missing out on a hell of alot of life.

Just add Hitler and you have the perfect internet post.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Feb 10, 10, 15:32 #155
jarnowa: giving a lot of freebies to immigrants from tax money earned by native Brits. What do you mean by "freebies"? Do tell. And what about tax revenue earned from immigrants? Or "freebies" given to native Brits?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 10, 10, 15:43 #156
Britain can be made to look bad on 2 fronts and I hope that people see through the glossing and muddying that the government will no doubt try and pull. Firstly, their willingness to negotiate with the Taliban but this isn't central to the thread so I will say no more. Secondly, that they blundered in not imposing caps. A U-turn will serve as proof.

jarnowaThreads: 5 Posts: 797 Joined: Nov 21, 09 ♂	Feb 10, 10, 15:55 #157
Seanus: Foreigners are just exercising their rights many 3rd world immigrants misuse these rights, for example producing extra children just to get extra child benefit or a bigger house (paid for by society).

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Edited by: jonni Feb 10, 10, 16:04 #158

jarnowa:

producing extra children just to get extra child benefit or a bigger house (paid for by society).

You are staggeringly cynical and bitter.

Aren't they too a part of society?

So what about a response to these questions:

jarnowa:

giving a lot of freebies to immigrants from tax money earned by native Brits.

What do you mean by "freebies"? Do tell.

And what about tax revenue earned from immigrants? Or "freebies" given to native Brits?

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08 ♂	Feb 10, 10, 16:18 #159
jonni: crimes for voters wondering who might be representing them Given the widespread corruption (expenses for one thing) in the HP i don't think a couple more would make much difference.

jarnowaThreads: 5 Posts: 797 Joined: Nov 21, 09 ♂	Feb 10, 10, 16:25 #160
jonni: You are staggeringly cynical and bitter. realistic. jonni: What do you mean by "freebies"? Do tell. free houses, free lawyers, welfare, etc. And what about tax revenue earned from immigrants? compared to what they get back it's nothing. Or "freebies" given to native Brits? like what?

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Edited by: jonni Feb 10, 10, 16:36 #161

jarnowa:

realistic

Cynical and bitter. For sure something bad must have happened to you.

jarnowa:

free houses, free lawyers, welfare, etc.

Nobody gets free houses. The poorest, regardless of ethnicity can get housing benefit on the basis of need.
Free lawyers? Are you mad? Check out what happened to the legal aid scheme - it is means tested.
Welfare? This isn't free.

jarnowa:

compared to what they get back it's nothing.

Can you cite some evidence for that?

jarnowa:

like what?

It's you who mentioned "freebies". So tell us some real ones.

time means:

Given the widespread corruption (expenses for one thing) in the HP i don't think a couple more would make much difference.

Claiming too much expenses for kitchen units, duck ponds, whisky etc. on the one hand and child molesting, racial attacks, bomb making etc. on the other. A wee bit different. What we've got now isn't perfect, but they are angels compared to some of the Numpty Nazis in the BNP.

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Edited by: SeanBM Feb 10, 10, 17:32 #162

Well at least the banks are being bailed out.
UK banks receive £37bn bail-out and that is just for three banks.
Who or what keeps a track on why the figure is 37bn? why not 35 or 40? what exactly has the money so far been spent on? and what is this money allocated for?

It almost feels like being off topic saying this.

Lets face it when we hear about the people of a nation loosing jobs, we are on their side.
When we hear about Brits protesting against foreigners in the workforce, we sympathise with both the Brits and the foreign workforce but when I hear about the banks that created this mess in the first place being bailed out it angers me.

I do not know much about what is happening in Britain but if it is anything like what has taken place in Ireland (and it sounds very similar), energies of would-be protesters should refocus their attention on banks.

jarnowa:

you know what causes hatred?

giving a lot of freebies to immigrants from tax money earned by native Brits.

it's good the BNP is gaining popularity in UK, because this has to stop and a lot of immigrants need to kicked out of the country.

This thread is about ''Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles.''
As in ''WORKERS'', so you have misunderstood everything again and your comment is off topic as usual.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08 ♂	Feb 10, 10, 17:42 #163
jonni: bomb making etc. I dare say that Mr Brown and his cohorts have killed off more people through bombs than Mr Griffin and co.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: jonni Feb 10, 10, 17:44 #164
time means: I dare say that Mr Brown and his cohorts have killed off more people through bombs than Mr Griffin and co. Undoubtedly. Though not by nailbombs in the pub. Unless Gordon's got a secret hobby.

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Edited by: dtaylor5632 Feb 10, 10, 17:44 #165

SeanBM
Generally comes from the Bank of England's coffers, which they receive from tax payers on behalf of the government. They flood money bank into the economy (loans to banks to cover their debts) in hope that we recover.
It's the most fecked up thing in the world. We put our savings into the bank, they feck up by using our savings to invest in things that have gone tits-up, so after they lose our money, then the government spends our taxes by giving the banks more of our money to covers the money the banks lost in the first place.

Was reading some articles about how this has been a scam from day 1. When people went into debt by borrowing money from the banks (which the banks didn't have) the banks repossessed their houses, assets ect. That way the banks could turn debts into fixed assets. Confusing as hell but something slimy about it.

There is an advert in the UK for Halifax at the moment. They are making a big song and dance about a new account in which they will "reward" us £5 a month for joining them....this being the bank which was plastered all over the news for the way they lost billions of savings by investing in crap. Also during the ad you can read the small print that states the only way you can join this super £5 a month reward account is when you give the bank £1000 in savings a month, or have a mortgage with them. OF COURSE the bank this time won't waste that money would they?!

Biggest bunch of crooks the planet has ever seen.

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Edited by: SeanBM Feb 10, 10, 17:58 #166

dtaylor5632:

then the government spends our taxes by giving the banks more of our money to covers the money the banks lost in the first place.

I am in the wrong business.
If a company, by it's own actions, goes under nothing happens but Banks are treated differently, why?

I would still like to know

SeanBM:

Who or what keeps a track on why the figure is 37bn? why not 35 or 40? what exactly has the money so far been spent on? and what is this money allocated for?

We read about immigration statistics, there are many watch dogs and counter groups who make sure the public are informed as to what they think is going on.
But again banks don't seem to have any controls, any watchdogs nothing???

People may think this is an issue of indigenous people Vrs foreigners but I see it as a money issue and these runts are laughing all the way to the banks.

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Feb 10, 10, 18:41 #167

SeanBM:

If a company, by it's own actions, goes under nothing happens but Banks are treated differently, why?

Mainly cos the government owes the banks so much in turn. By bailing them out, they eventually own the fixed assets (property, land ect) via the banks debts. Unlike money, these assets follow a trend of becoming more valuable over time, while cash, exchange rates, shares ect can be influenced from forces outside governmental control. That's the theory anyway.

In laymen terms.
People of the country become richer (When labour came into power).
They buy houses and borrow large amounts of cash.
Banks lend cash that they "don't have" but borrow from other sources due to the fact people can afford to pay back loans ect.
Suddenly the bubble bursts, stock markets crash, banks go into debt due to their heavy lending and borrowing.
Banks put interest rates higher to get back more money, people cant afford to pay, so banks repossess their assets.
Government floods the economy by bailing out debts, Bank of England being a private institution recovers the "first" assets - property, land, ect. These are the only assets that stably increase through time.
They sell them again to get a return....next punters step up to buy them. And the cycle begins all over again.
Each time this cycle repeats, about 5% of borrowers have their assets seized either fully, or via re-mortgaging or other debt recovery services. This cycle can repeat in 5 years, 25 years or even 50 years, but each time a proportion of the countries assets are bought and re-sold again, but not by the people themselves, but by the banks.
In effect if you bought a house in the last financial boom, you have probably paid for it twice already, but you will continue to pay for many more times over with interest rates, re-mortgages and via tax bail outs to the banks.
Debt to us just mean owing money, debt to the means people owing them money, and that my friend is why the government is prepared to lend and borrow from the banks, cos they will get their cut;)

Sorry if I have bored anyone with my ranting :D

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Feb 10, 10, 19:37 #168

Jarnowa, you have to trust sometimes. When you leave your car on the street, you leave it to trust that nobody will scratch it maliciously or break into it. Britain must accept the bad with the good and also accept that life is far from ideal.

Poles do that too, they know how to circumvent the loopholes and get more money. Why don't you criticise them? Are they 3rd world too? People cheat to survive a lot of the time.

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Feb 10, 10, 20:31 #169

SeanBM:

his thread is about ''Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles.''
As in ''WORKERS'', so you have misunderstood everything again and your comment is off topic as usual.

that's how it started, but as many posts were about the BNP and when jonni made an ignorant comment about them "inciting hatred" instead of getting popularity from people who already dislike foreign scum, i felt free to write what's really causing hatred.

i can understand you have problems with the discussion going offtopic but it's quite remarkable you didn't start about this until i came in. i knew you liked me! :D

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Feb 10, 10, 20:37 #170
jarnowa: ignorant comment jarnowa: foreign scum You reveal your own hatred here. Fortunately most British people are not so obsessed with foreign people, workers or not.

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Edited by: SeanBM Feb 10, 10, 20:43 #171

I am getting the feeling that there are no watchdogs, no statistics and no one knows where and for what the money being given to the banks is for exactly, where it has gone and where it will be allocated.
Is that not a bit odd? or do you all know? is it a sound plan? is it being controlled? It is the tax payer's money after all.

jarnowa:

BNP and when jonni made an ignorant comment about them "inciting hatred" instead of getting popularity from people who already dislike foreign scum,

You are a Belgium guy living in Poland. Do you know about the BNP? or you just feel like kindred spirits. I have to admit it is ridiculously racist people of low intelligence exactly like yourself that make up the core of this party who trick others in to their hate group.

szymanskiThreads: - Posts: 2 Joined: Feb 10, 10 ♂	Feb 10, 10, 21:14 #172
cheap labor is cheap labor in america we have mexicans its not the people trying to make a liveing but the employers that dont pay a fare wage to all peoples working

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Edited by: jarnowa Feb 10, 10, 21:24 #173

SeanBM:

Do you know about the BNP? or you just feel like kindred spirits. I have to admit it is ridiculously racist people of low intelligence exactly like yourself that make up the core of this party who trick others in to their hate group.

i don't care if BNP is racist or not as long as they fight immigration from 3rd world/wasting loads of tax money on them.

i don't like that they are also against immigration from Poland, but they will never be able to stop that, so no problem.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Feb 10, 10, 21:28 #174
jarnowa: i don't like that they are also against immigration from Poland, but they will never be able to stop that, so no problem Actually they want to do exactly that. But they won't have any impact on immigration or anything else because they will do so badly in the next election that they will lose their deposit in every seat.

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Edited by: jarnowa Feb 10, 10, 21:45 #175

jonni:

Nobody gets free houses. The poorest, regardless of ethnicity can get housing benefit on the basis of need.

i read in UK asylum seekers also get free houses, like in many western countries.

as for the poorest getting housing benefits. it's paid from tax money. natives, having lived longer in the country than immigrants, probably have paid more to the taxman than immigrants. again immigrants benefit more.

Free lawyers? Are you mad? Check out what happened to the legal aid scheme - it is means tested.

at least asylum seekers. i'm not sure about other immigrants with low income but i wouldn't be surprised.

Welfare? This isn't free.

welfare is free money per definition.
in belgium and holland they use welfare much more than native belgians/dutch, there's no reason to think it's different in the UK.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Edited by: SeanBM Feb 10, 10, 21:47 #176
jarnowa: in belgium and holland they use welfare much more than native belgians/dutch, Prove it or is this another Government ''secret'' that nobody knows but you?

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Edited by: jonni Feb 10, 10, 21:49 #177

jarnowa:

i read in UK asylum seekers also get free houses

Most are in nasty hostels.

jarnowa:

benefits. it's paid from tax money. natives, having lived longer in the country than immigrants, probably have paid more to the taxman than immigrants. again immigrants benefit more.

Everybody pays tax and is entitled to something back. Are you saying that no white people are benefit scroungers?

jarnowa:

welfare is free money per definition.

It's part of commonweal, to maintain society. British society is multi-ethnic, and successfully so, compared to so many other places.

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Feb 10, 10, 22:14 #178

jonni:

Most are in nasty hostels.

what's wrong with a hostel, the living conditions are usually much better than back in their own country.

jonni:

Everybody pays tax and is entitled to something back. Are you saying that no white people are benefit scroungers?

i said that immigrants benefit more than natives.

jonni:

British society is multi-ethnic, and successfully so

you are very funny indeed! :D

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Feb 10, 10, 22:24 #179
jarnowa: what's wrong with a hostel You fancy living in one then? jarnowa: i said that immigrants benefit more than natives. The whole point is that the person is irrelevant, the need is everything. Don't you understand that. jarnowa: you are very funny indeed! :D Whereas you are cynically racist. What part of society don't you understand?

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Feb 10, 10, 22:55 #180

jonni:

You fancy living in one then?

no, but it's good enough for them as they lived in worse conditions in their own country.

jonni:

The whole point is that the person is irrelevant, the need is everything. Don't you understand that.

if they need something they should pay for it.

jonni:

Whereas you are cynically racist. What part of society don't you understand?

it's not me being cynical or racist that makes me laugh, but you claiming that British multi-ethnic society is succesful when BNP is growing like cabbage (proving that more and more native British are unhappy).

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