Buying a Polish vehicle in the UK

chudgellThreads: 1 Posts: 2 Joined: Aug 12, 10 ♀	Aug 12, 10, 13:01 #1
Hi, I wonder if somebody could help. I am looking at purchasing a vehicle which was registered in Poland but hasn't been registered as of yet in the UK. Does anybody know who to contact in Poland to find out whether or not this vehicle is OK (Hasn't got any finance on it, or been written off in an accident and repaired). Many thanks for your help. Chris.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Aug 12, 10, 13:44 #2
chudgell: Does anybody know who to contact in Poland to find out whether or not this vehicle is OK (Hasn't got any finance on it, or been written off in an accident and repaired). You can't.

chudgellThreads: 1 Posts: 2 Joined: Aug 12, 10 ♀	Aug 12, 10, 14:30 #3
Hi Thanks for replying, how do you guys get on when buying vehicles???

welshguyinpolaThreads: 32 Posts: 462 Joined: Jan 9, 08 ♂	Aug 12, 10, 14:46 #4
Unless you are intending to live in Poland, it would be absolute insanity to buy a Polish registered car to drive in the UK. Are you one of these who post to ask stupid questions just for the sake of it??/ Buy a right hand drive car and be done with it.

chudgellThreads: 1 Posts: 2 Joined: Aug 12, 10 ♀	Aug 12, 10, 15:22 #5
Hi, No I am not stupid!!!! I work for a Toyota Dealer and we have somebody wanting to trade in their polish vehicle for a UK spec. but we obviously need to sell on polish vehicle and don't want any repercussions. I am seriously not trying to waste anybody' time. Thanks

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Aug 12, 10, 15:27 #6

chudgell:

Hi, No I am not stupid!!!! I work for a Toyota Dealer and we have somebody wanting to trade in their polish vehicle for a UK spec. but we obviously need to sell on polish vehicle and don't want any repercussions. I am seriously not trying to waste anybody' time.

I honestly wouldn't touch it then. You have no way at all of knowing if it has been damaged and repaired or if it has finance owing on it (there should be something in the documents but do you even know that the documents are authentic?). You don't even know if the person claiming to own it legally owns it!

Just tell them that you'll give them a couple of free services, better wheels, a better interest rate and a goodie bag if they pay you cash. You could even offer to pay upfront for the cost of them advertising their car for sale.

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Aug 12, 10, 17:16 #7

I would suggest the whole reason they are trying to trade the vehicle in is because there is something wrong with it.

In terms of registering the car or being the owner, as a foreign entity (without all the appropriate Polish identity or company numbers), once you have the car in your name you will find it impossible to sell it again; certainly impossible as a valid road vehicle to be used in Poland. Unless the owner can present to you export papers proving it has been de-registered in Poland, I wouldn't go near it with a 10-foot kielbasa.

What car is it, out of an interest? A Toyota?

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Aug 12, 10, 17:34 #8

chudgell:

Hi, No I am not stupid!!!! I work for a Toyota Dealer and we have somebody wanting to trade in their polish vehicle for a UK spec. but we obviously need to sell on polish vehicle and don't want any repercussions. I am seriously not trying to waste anybody' time.
Thanks

Still a bit weird as you wouldnt have a chance of selling it in UK and itd be alot of wk to sell it in Poland. I dont see why you are even considering it. Just tell this person theyll have to pay for the new car without part-ex

warszawskiThreads: 60 Posts: 2,388 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Aug 15, 10, 12:00 #9
Harry: You can't. Every car has a vehicle identification number, sometimes referred to as a VIN number . If the car is a Honda for example contact Honda Uk and pay for a search on the car, they will be in a position to give you a history of the car. As far as knowing if the car has been in a accident, every dealer will be able to check the paintwork thickness to see if is still the factory coat.

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Aug 24, 10, 23:40 #10

It's a bit more complicated than here in the UK. In Poland, as in the UK, you have a registration certificate, but much smaller (which we have to carry every time we drive cars over there). The certificate states the name and address of the owner. If you take a loan on the vehicle, there are two scenarios how bank secures the car:
1. The bank is named as the owner and the driver is only entered on the back cover as the user.
2. The driver is named as the owner, but the bank is named as the co-owner on the back cover.
There's another issue which IMHO is a no go for buying a Polish car abroad. In Poland, all the car registrations are regionalised. When you buy a car from another region or even county (which often means a city 10 miles away), you have to change number plates to resemble your address. We don't get plates for life like in the UK. Also, a new owner need a contract with the previous owner (with national id details) regarding the sale. With those documents you go and register the car for yourself. I can't imagine buying the car in the UK and then driving it back to Poland to change the plates. Too much bother. You might need to have such a contract partially filled in by the guy (all in Polish) so the buyer can just fill in their details.

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Aug 24, 10, 23:51 #11

warszawski:

Every car has a vehicle identification number, sometimes referred to as a VIN number . If the car is a Honda for example contact Honda Uk and pay for a search on the car, they will be in a position to give you a history of the car. As far as knowing if the car has been in a accident, every dealer will be able to check the paintwork thickness to see if is still the factory coat.

Could you perhaps explain how Honda UK can check to see if finance is owed to a Polish bank or leasing company? Factory paintwork means very little: there's not much stopping somebody here from buying a write-off, stealing an identical model, swapping the VIN plates and then claiming that the stolen car is actually the write-off after extensive repairs. You should stick to telling us lies about politicians: at least those are amusing.

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Edited by: warszawski Aug 25, 10, 00:15 #12

Harry:

Could you perhaps explain how Honda UK can check to see if finance is owed to a Polish bank or leasing company? Factory paintwork means very little: there's not much stopping somebody here from buying a write-off, stealing an identical model, swapping the VIN plates and then claiming that the stolen car is actually the write-off after extensive repairs. You should stick to telling us lies about politicians: at least those are amusing.

Michelangelo:

1. The bank is named as the owner and the driver is only entered on the back cover as the user.
2. The driver is named as the owner, but the bank is named as the co-owner on the back cover.

I do not have to,Michelangelo has just informed you, so any check done on the car would establish who the owner is, I do not think that is so difficult. If you have a deceitful mind you will always think the worse of any scenario, lies about politicians - that is a new one for me. Maybe you are not quite as smart as you believe yourself to be, but I will say that I have read some of your comments and sometimes you make good points. But please stop with the big I am, remember you are an english teacher that makes 5,000PLN a month according to your post, and it is not quite being the big Poncho in town.

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Edited by: Amathyst Aug 25, 10, 00:36 #13

Harry:

Could you perhaps explain how Honda UK can check to see if finance is owed to a Polish bank or leasing company? Factory paintwork means very little: there's not much stopping somebody here from buying a write-off, stealing an identical model, swapping the VIN plates and then claiming that the stolen car is actually the write-off after extensive repairs.

PNC check is first port of call and then HP / credit check, I would imagine these are quite hard to do if the car is foreign owned.

warszawski:

If you have a deceitful mind you will always think the worse of any scenario,

Cloning cars in the UK is on the rise, so its nothing to do with a deceiptful mind, its about looking out for your own insterests, cars are not cheap and if you pay that money to someone and then find out the car is a write-off (any decent mechanic will be able tell if its a cut 'n'shut) or if you get the lease purchase company at your door taking the car back because it has outstanding payments...Its the purchasers responsiblity to ensure that what they are buying is legal if its a private transaction....Many a Brit has ended up with a large debt and no car to polish on the driveway because they didnt do the necessary checks..

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Aug 25, 10, 00:56 #14

warszawski:

I do not have to,Michelangelo has just informed you, so any check done on the car would establish who the owner is, I do not think that is so difficult.

So you can’t tell us how Honda UK can tell anyone whether finance is owed on a car. Fair enough.

warszawski:

If you have a deceitful mind you will always think the worse of any scenario,

Oh come now! You must be able to give us some more of your lies about PO or ****!

warszawski:

lies about politicians - that is a new one for me.

Please, tell us again how I’ll pay normal income tax rates under PO.

warszawski:

Maybe you are not quite as smart as you believe yourself to be, but I will say that I have read some of your comments and sometimes you make good points.

Thanks, I’ll say again that you’re either a cretin or a liar or, more probably, both.

warszawski:

But please stop with the big I am, remember you are an english teacher that makes 5,000PLN a month according to your post, and it is not quite being the big Poncho in town.

Dear boy, I haven’t taught more than a couple of hours a week for the best part of five years now. And the last time I earned less than 5,000 a month was last millennium. But don’t let facts creep into your bulllshit.

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Edited by: warszawski Aug 25, 10, 00:57 #15

Amathyst:

Cloning cars in the UK is on the rise, so its nothing to do with a deceiptful mind, its about looking out for your own insterests, cars are not cheap and if you pay that money to someone and then find out the car is a write-off (any decent mechanic will be able tell if its a cut 'n'shut) or if you get the lease purchase company at your door taking the car back because it has outstanding payments...Its the purchasers responsiblity to ensure that what they are buying is legal if its a private transaction....Many a Brit has ended up with a large debt and no car to polish on the driveway because they didnt do the necessary checks..

Very good point, It is always better to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. At least some good safeguards and advice has been raised for the OP.

Harry:

Thanks, I’ll say again that you’re either a cretin or a liar or, more probably, both.

Harry, I will not be sucked into one of your games, find someone else to wind up.

jcauston	Aug 11, 11, 18:07 #16
There is a company in Basingstoke that will buy all left hand cars and give you an underwrite on it so you can get the deal done. Its called "left hand drive place". They are very good and will collect the car from you. I have traded a few cars to them in the past.

gazzaroonThreads: - Posts: 43 Joined: Aug 8, 11 ♂	Aug 11, 11, 22:23 #17
I'd be more concerned that it wasn't road worthy than the issue of credit :D

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