Are Central and Eastern European countries to blame for 160,000 Brits without jobs?

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Jan 10, 12, 22:15 #1

I saw this article(if you can call it article) in the dailymail.com. I know that I should not read it, but its what the jobless read in the pub. I disagree with the fact that there are 160000 more brits on the dole because of people coming in from central and eastern Europe. I just think its a new excuse.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

I think all unemployed under 20 should be made join the army to give them some focus

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 10, 12, 22:38 #2
No they aren't, no matter what the Mail says.

irishguy11Threads: 14 Posts: 173 Joined: Sep 3, 11 ♂	Jan 10, 12, 22:42 #3
Harry I agree with you , I feel a sense of shame for repeating what the mail posts. It is the media of the dole people.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Jan 10, 12, 22:54 #4
Harry: No they aren't, no matter what the Mail says. Those damn tabloids, anything to sell. Those jobs the foreigners largely take the locals don't wanna do. If not central and eastern Europeans, Africans or Asians would be doing them.

legendThreads: 9 Posts: 819 Joined: Apr 23, 11 ♂	Edited by: legend Jan 10, 12, 22:55 #5
For the most part I would say no. Im guessing many of these jobs are jobs many people would not like to do (physical, dirty, etc). And some people just cant find a job thats in their area of experience. A tiny small percentage though... I would say its possible. Im mean thats 160,000. Is that the total unemployment rate in Britain?

irishguy11Threads: 14 Posts: 173 Joined: Sep 3, 11 ♂	Edited by: irishguy11 Jan 10, 12, 22:59 #6
No that's not the unemployment rate, its how many peolpe extra are on the dole because of non british people. Oh before I forget, I'am kind of annoyed that UK and Ireland tagged together. British media does not reflect Irish opinion

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Edited by: PennBoy Jan 10, 12, 23:14 #7

irishguy11:

No that's not the unemployment rate, its how many peolpe extra are on the dole because of non british people.

Not because of non British but because or a recession. When the economy picks up businesses will hire more, people start small businesses it's not the governments fault. I even wrote on a different thread here in the US last month 340K jobs were created, mostly in the private sector. This happens every 20 years or so and last for several years, it will pass calm down.

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Jan 10, 12, 23:17 #8

irishguy11:

British media does not reflect Irish opinion

yes, unlike the cousins over the water we have not burned any families en masse out of their homes....take the self righteousness bollox somewhere else eh.....your chavs are as thick as anyone elses chavs.
How many people on 60 quid a week do you really think buy the daily mail? its an aspiring wannabes paper.
But,again, a million plus Poles ,many willing to work for less than minimum wage and you lot still think that hasnt taken jobs from locals???

irishguy11Threads: 14 Posts: 173 Joined: Sep 3, 11 ♂	Jan 10, 12, 23:23 #9
I dont know anyone on 60 quid a week. Ireland is in Euro. Who are the cousins you talk about?

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Jan 10, 12, 23:38 #10

Some split of opinion. From the mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084536/UK-unemployment-Migran ts-NOT-keeping-Brits-work.html

Research from the National Institute of Economic and Social Research has contradicted claims by anti-immigration campaigners that foreign workers are crowding the jobs market. Instead, the institute's study found that there was 'no association' between higher immigration and joblessness.
Researchers even suggested the opposite might be the case and immigration acts as an economic stimulus, pushing total employment levels higher and dole claimant numbers lower than they would otherwise have been.

legend:

Is that the total unemployment rate in Britain?

No. 2.6 million

irishguy11Threads: 14 Posts: 173 Joined: Sep 3, 11 ♂	Jan 10, 12, 23:45 #11
That's what I'am trying to say. When things are going well, every country needs more worker's. It's only when things go south that they start to blame outside people. The basic is that certain people decide to live on handouts.

espanaThreads: 40 Posts: 2,233 Joined: Feb 28, 07 ♂	Jan 11, 12, 01:18 #12
Harry: No they aren't, no matter what the Mail says. prove it!!!!

hythornThreads: 6 Posts: 843 Joined: Feb 21, 08 ♂	Jan 11, 12, 08:51 #13
irishguy11: I dont know anyone on 60 quid a week. Ireland is in Euro. explain why then Irish business partners of mine in Donegal and Dublin refer to the Euro as 'the quid' Are you sure you are Irish? several posters have cast doubts at your ethnicity

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Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Jan 11, 12, 09:35 #14

irishguy11:

I feel a sense of shame for repeating what the mail posts. It is the media of the dole people.

Dont do it then. The Daily Mail is not that at all, many middle class read the Mail, it is the worst of the worst though in that it attempts to print what it thinks people with biases will want to read, it also subtely warps the mind if youre weak minded. As one of your compatriots once said "a paper never refused ink".

irishguy11:

I think all unemployed under 20 should be made join the army to give them some focus

Yeah lets brain wash them with the ultimate method instead, then transform them into killers, what a stupid thing to say.

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Jan 11, 12, 10:12 #15

Wroclaw Boy:

The Daily Mail is not that at all, many middle class read the Mail, it is the worst of the worst though in that it attempts to print what it thinks people with biases will want to read, it also subtely warps the mind if youre weak minded.

Have to go with ITU2 that they are wannabes. The middle class readers are outnumbered by unemployed and unskilled readers. Twice as many readers are over 65 than under 35. Probably still read it as they did when they were younger and it was a quality paper.
The proper papers are the Times/Telegraph for righties, and the Guardian/BBC for central lefties. Reuters is about the only newsfeed that stays neutral/un-opinionated.

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Edited by: smurf Jan 11, 12, 10:53 #16

hythorn:

the quid

coz it's slang, duh.

Angel-eyes:

Angel-eyes

Great comment, thanks for adding something of such worth to the forum..... btw you've been reported for your comments.

isthatu2:

.burning eastern europeans out of their homes on mass,them having to be bussed out with Police escorts

What are you bullshitting on about eh? Ya got a link for that, or is it something you've made up......remember the poster....Dreams...reality

PeterWeg03	Jan 11, 12, 11:23 #17
smurf: coz it's slang, duh. Its Latin, so its Posh Slang.

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Edited by: PennBoy Jan 12, 12, 16:26 #18

Looks like Germany is dealing quite well with the recession. 'German unemployment fell to a 20-year low in December, bucking the trend of growing levels of joblessness in the eurozone. Unemployment fell to 6.8% from 6.9% in November -the lowest level ever witnessed in reunified Germany-, according to the German Federal Labour Agency.' http://www.eurotribune.eu/index.default.php/?p=22212&l=0&idioma=2

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Jan 12, 12, 20:26 #19

PennBoy:

Looks like Germany is dealing quite well with the recession. 'German unemployment fell to a 20-year low in December, bucking the trend of growing levels of joblessness in the eurozone. Unemployment fell to 6.8% from 6.9% in November -the lowest level ever witnessed in reunified Germany-, according to the German Federal Labour Agency.' http://www.eurotribune.eu/index.default.php/?p=22212&l=0&idioma=2

UK,Sweden and Ireland opened their borders to the new accession states citizens.

Germany didnt.

Ireland and the UK are experiencing record levels of unemployment.

Germany is experiencing record levels of employment.

Join the dots.

Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 58 Posts: 2,314 Joined: Sep 7, 08 ♂	Jan 12, 12, 20:37 #20
We've always been historically discriminated against: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Polish_sentiment

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,767 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Jan 12, 12, 20:41 #21
Lodz_The_Boat: We've always been historically discriminated against: I agree. It was very racist of the Germans to keep their borders shut to the Polish upon them joining the EU!!

irishguy11Threads: 14 Posts: 173 Joined: Sep 3, 11 ♂	Jan 12, 12, 20:47 #22
RevokeNice: I agree. It was very racist of the Germans to keep their borders shut to the Polish upon them joining the EU!! Are the borders not now open, but the Pole's have decided against it as the Germans thought they would get a cheaper source of labour. The Polish people are not that thick, they will do the same job better for the same money.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,767 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Jan 12, 12, 21:00 #23
irishguy11: Are the borders not now open, but the Pole's have decided against it as the Germans thought they would get a cheaper source of labour. The Polish people are not that thick, they will do the same job better for the same money. Last May, yeah. Seven years later. They have half the unemployment rate than Ireland and the UK. Smart boyos.

irishguy11Threads: 14 Posts: 173 Joined: Sep 3, 11 ♂	Jan 12, 12, 21:04 #24
Okay i see your point, but Ireland and UK and a lot of other countries decided not to open up to Romania when they joined.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,767 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Jan 12, 12, 21:06 #25
irishguy11: Okay i see your point, but Ireland and UK and a lot of other countries decided not to open up to Romania when they joined. The racist bastardos!

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Jan 12, 12, 21:18 #26

RevokeNice:

UK,Sweden and Ireland opened their borders to the new accession states citizens.

Germany didnt.

Lodz_The_Boat:

We've always been historically discriminated against:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Polish_sentiment

I'll agree with that. Germans are ok with immigrants only when they need them, and even then want them to assimilate as fast as possible. Still nationalistic and racist.

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Jan 12, 12, 21:23 #27

RevokeNice:

The racist bastardos!

And what are you? You are same to the other races of the world ... dont throw stones before you make sure you are free of that feeling. First remove racism from your heart again all races, and then be a staunch supporter of racial harmony. Yes we Poles have always been discriminated against, and we must not forget it to be able to uphold the cause of justice for every race in the world.

irishguy11Threads: 14 Posts: 173 Joined: Sep 3, 11 ♂	Jan 12, 12, 21:26 #28
RevokeNice: The racist bastardos! This is from someone who states their city as Nationalist Dublin?

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Jan 12, 12, 21:51 #29
PennBoy: Germans are ok with immigrants only when they need them, and even then want them to assimilate as fast as possible. Still nationalistic and racist. And that is exactly in what way different in the US of A? :)

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Jan 12, 12, 22:04 #30

Lodz_The_Boat:

And what are you?

An ethnic critic.

Lodz_The_Boat:

First remove racism from your heart again all races,

No.

Lodz_The_Boat:

and then be a staunch supporter of racial harmony.

No.

irishguy11:

This is from someone who states their city as Nationalist Dublin?

I was being sarcastic.

PennBoy:

Germans are ok with immigrants only when they need them, and even then want them to assimilate as fast as possible. Still nationalistic and racist.

Didnt see many German flags when I was in Germany. America, on the other hand......

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