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benszymanskiThreads: 9
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 5, 08, 08:42   #41
yes you are right, plus they also sell lots of their BBC shows to other countries to raise money...
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 5, 08, 09:26   #42
benszymanski:

My 1 metre dish in Opole wasn't big enough. I would guess that at least a 1.5 metre dish is necessary.

You be lucky to get away with 1.5 metres. Here in Warsaw you need at least 2.4 metres.

Plywood:

BBC entertainment shows - made from licence money
other UK broadcasters - commertial and free

who is stealing ?

Nobody is stealing. BBC Prime is sold outside the UK and has commercials. It buys content from the BBC production department (on the internal market) and other broadcasters. It is not funded from the license fee, it makes a profit and this profit is returned to the BBC and used to fund the BBC and keep the licence fee down.
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 5, 08, 10:24   #43
Plywood:

BBC Prime brings great British entertainment into your home.

This is objective lol
BBC Prime has to be the worst bit of codswallop they broadcast, full of ancient repeats.

Plywood:

who is stealing ?

If you view freeview TV from outside of the UK that is solely intended for UK viewing only, then technically you are stealing, although no one takes any notice of this.
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 5, 08, 11:14   #44
ukpolska:

If you view freeview TV from outside of the UK that is solely intended for UK viewing only, then technically you are stealing,

B0ll0cks! Stealing is permanently depriving a person of their property. Merely picking up a signal which is broadcast over the air is no more stealing than breathing is stealing!
osiolThreads: 71
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 5, 08, 11:25   #45
I haven't had a TV of my own for about 14 years. Since then I used to watch the Simpsons for a while, but for the last 7 years or more, I have only watched a couple of programmes, only one on the BBC.

On the other hand, I spent most of that time listening to BBC Radio, especially Radio 4, but also Radio 1 (not since John Peel died though), Radio London and the World Service. For radio, no licence is required. TV owners were paying for my listening. There are no commercial broadcasters delivering the kind of stuff any of these stations provide.

However, I had to buy a TV licence when my former flatmate brought a TV home a few months ago, and I am not convinced I can get away with having broadband internet and no TV licence.

¦led¼ asked what they do if they catch you without a licence.
The answer is: they either bludgeon you to death in your sleep, or they impose a hefty fine.
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Gender: Female 		   Dec 5, 08, 12:00   #46
I didnt have a licence for 10 years, even for 2yrs after I got cable tv and broadband installed. Recently I bought a new TV and the*****s in the shop passed on my details, so for the 1st time in 10 yrs Ive been forced to get one.. its a load of b******s. I kept sending back the reminders saying I didnt have a TV. There is no such thing as a detector van so they just assume all households have one. Even if they see it you can say you are only using it for watching DVDs and get away with it.
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 5, 08, 12:09   #47
I had been told that the cathode ray tube emits a particular frequency of aubergine-wave that could be detected over short distances. Nowadays many television sets use liquid crystal displays rather than CRT, and in any case, they assume everyone has a TV anyway, and those that don't are liars anyway.
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 5, 08, 14:50   #48
ukpolska:

If you view freeview TV from outside of the UK that is solely intended for UK viewing only, then technically you are stealing, although no one takes any notice of this.


it is like going by train and watch somebodys cow on the field
although no one takes any notice of this to
ukpolskaThreads: 32
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 6, 08, 04:45   #49
Harry:

B0ll0cks! Stealing is permanently depriving a person of their property. Merely picking up a signal which is broadcast over the air is no more stealing than breathing is stealing!

lol, eloquent as ever Harry, although your wrong, as permanency has no defining legal value associated with stealing:
In the criminal law, theft (also known as stealing) is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent.

However, I am nitpicking here:)
ukpolskaThreads: 32
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 7, 08, 05:53   #50
Nice parody on the BBC lol
osiolThreads: 71
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 7, 08, 06:52   #51
Does Jonathan Ross still look the same age as he did 15 years ago? Has he inherited the BBC wig-holder title?

Forget about the licence fee for a moment. The biggest problem with the BBC is that Humphrey Lyttleton died and John Peel died. Two irreplaceable people in my opinion, but the BBC just relies on ideiots like Ross and Whatsisface on Radio 1.
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 7, 08, 06:54   #52
The John Peel Sessions were legendary. His knowledge and expertise are sorely missed. He was a calm and fair guy.
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Gender: Male 		Edited by: osiol   Dec 7, 08, 06:59   #53
Seanus:

The John Peel Sessions were legendary. His knowledge and expertise are sorely missed. He was a calm and fair guy.

Anyone who doesn't know about John Peel would do well to look at the List of Peel Sessions - sets of usually four songs quickly recorded in a BBC studio for John Peel's radio show. Open the page, then use the search function to find probably many of your favourite artists. Then check out when they recorded their sessions. For many, it was before anyone else gave a **** about them.
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 7, 08, 07:03   #54
Yeah, he gave them a platform upon which to expand. He won the respect of many for his level-headed approach.
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Gender: Female 		Edited by: Daisy   Dec 7, 08, 07:11   #55
Seanus:

Yeah, he gave them a platform upon which to expand

There are quite a few 'big names' around today, who would probably have remained nobodys if it wasnt for Peel


what have the likes of Woss and Bland ever given us?

As long as the BBC continue to pay 7 figure salaries to talentless halfwits, they are knocking the nails into their own coffin

thanks Seanus
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 7, 08, 07:17   #56
Simon Cowell is another example of a twat who earns way too much. That was funny when he met Jeremy Clarkson. I'm not a fan of Clarkson but he is less smug than that creepy little bellend.
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 7, 08, 07:27   #57
No it's not.
Seanus:

less smug than that creepy little bellend.

That nearly sent coffee flying out of my mouth as I read that whilst attempting to take a sip.
What has Simon Cowell ever done? At least Clarkson, although I don't really like him and disagree with him probably about most things, he can be funny.
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 7, 08, 07:32   #58
I have the same view. Cowell is just a judgemental git, smarmy and cocksure. Poland has Kuba Wojewódski, another opinionated buffoon.

I much prefer calmer commentators with a healthy touch of charisma. Wogan is calm but he has the charisma of a man who sits and gazes at goldfish all day long.
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Gender: Female 		Edited by: sapphire   Dec 12, 08, 07:46   #59
osiol:

What has Simon Cowell ever done

well he runs a multi-million dollar record company and hosts two of the biggest shows on American and UK TV and also co-owns the rights to those shows for which he gets paid zillions..to name but a couple of things. Personally I like him.. he is honest, knows what he is talking about when it comes to music and lets face it those shows would not be as successful without him on borad. Bring on the X Factor final tomorrow night!

As for the BBC is not dying, in fact it is expanding with the creation of several new channels and on-line services. The BBC will never die and British people should be proud of it..on a global level it is the most well known and well respected TV and news service out there.
ukpolskaThreads: 32
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 12, 08, 08:24   #60
Well I am sorry to have to tell you sapphire that there is going to be a big uproar soon, because the latest information that I have from a media company friend of mine is that this European Directive "Television without Frontiers" is being pushed forward to early 2009. LINK
When this happens the BBC will HAVE to allow it's broadcasting rights to ALL European countries and they the same.
So you can imagine the uproar when British TV License payers will be paying for all of Europe to watch UK TV.
The BBC will have to adapt somehow, whether this be through advertising or whatever and if they do this then they go against their 1922 Royal Charter, which forbids advertising.

All in all the BBC's hands are tied and they can do nothing about it.
Already company's are rebroadcasting UK TV over the internet and are perfectly legal to do so. A Company called TVCatchup was threatened by the BBC for rebroadcasting it's programs and so TVCatchup consulted their lawyers and won.
Their company will soon be rebroadcasting UK TV all over Europe, which I personally feel is fantastic news, but hey I live in Poland so I am biased for wanting free UK TV lol
sapphireThreads: 28
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Gender: Female 		   Dec 12, 08, 09:34   #61
ukpolska:

European Directive "Television without Frontiers"

i am aware of that and I think its a good thing.. but it still doesnt mean the death of the BBC, they are already adapting. Listen, I like the BBC but it doesnt mean that I agree with the licence fee, which you will see if you check my earlier post.

ITV is now doing a deal to have a TV catch up service, similar to the BBC I-Player.
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 12, 08, 14:34   #62
sapphire:

ITV is now doing a deal to have a TV catch up service, similar to the BBC I-Player.

ITV catchup service has been working for over a year now and just re-branded itself to be called the 'ITV Player'.
If you are talking about the ill fated 'Kangaroo' a joint venture between all the broadcasters this was was thrown out by the Ofcom regulator due to it's proposed unfair monopoly of broadcasting and is dead and buried in its proposed form thank god.
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Gender: Female 		   Dec 12, 08, 15:56   #63
sapphire:

ITV is now doing a deal to have a TV catch up service, similar to the BBC I-Player.

ukpolska:

TV catchup service has been working for over a year now and just re-branded itself to be called the 'ITV Player'.


Yes that's what I thought, I was watching programs on it last week ;)
sapphire:

but it still doesnt mean the death of the BBC, they are already adapting.


Adding more channels might be adapting but general program quality will go down. It means trying to stretch out more programs, pay more presenters/staff from the same budget, it can't work. They'll end up just producing a ton of low budget rubbish.
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Gender: Male 		   Dec 20, 08, 11:03   #64
Yeah, looks like today its only broadcasting the radio, with a message saying that bbci player will be allowed soon
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Gender: Male 		   Jan 5, 09, 16:33   #65
U can watch a live stream of bbc 1 here http://channelsurfing.net/

Thank me later :P
ukpolskaThreads: 32
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Gender: Male 		   Jan 6, 09, 03:10   #66
dtaylor:

U can watch a live stream of bbc 1 here http://channelsurfing.net/

Thank me later :P

Would thank you, but it's not working now :(
carlbThreads: 6
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Gender: Male 		   Jan 6, 09, 05:08   #67
Would thank you, but it's not working now :(


It works for me. That's excellent. Thanks dtaylor
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Gender: Male 		Edited by: ukpolska   Jan 6, 09, 07:34   #68
Found another one, guess since the BBC is streaming on the net now they are being relayed http://atdhe.net/watchtv.php?b=1

Sorry dtaylor my bad it is working, just done a format of my computer and hadn't installed java yet, and as they are java based apps it didn't work for me.
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Gender: Male 		   Jan 7, 09, 04:33   #69
Wahldo:



sledz:
maybe better programming would do the trick, na you limeys invented American Idol
this is a sin...lol


Well, to be fair they also invented "The Office" and I think "Sanford and Son". Two great shows.

Oh, and er,TV itself in case your all forgeting..J L Baird...
ukpolskaThreads: 32
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Gender: Male 		Edited by: ukpolska   Jan 25, 09, 14:20   #70
atdhe.net/watchtv.php?b=i1 - ITV 1 LINK

So using the links above you have BBC1 BBC2 and ITV 1
Wahldo    Jan 25, 09, 14:38   #71
isthatu2:
Oh, and er,TV itself in case your all forgeting..J L Baird...

Oh, and er, you're wrong.. it was Philo Taylor Farnsworth. I didn't know Utah was in the UK.
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Gender: Male 		   Jan 25, 09, 14:44   #72
Wahldo:
Philo Taylor Farnsworth

improved the tv. he didn't invent it.
Wahldo    Jan 25, 09, 14:49   #73
Yes he did -- the first fully functioning electric TV.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo_T._Farnsworth
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Gender: Male 		Edited by: szkotja2007   Jan 25, 09, 16:49   #74
John Logie Baird invented the Television, Farnsworth developed it.

Farnsworths contribution can be compared to the development of the plasma screen, high definition or nicam. A development of the original inventors concept.

Edit - At present there is a row about the BBC not broadcasting a Disasters Emergency Committee appeal for Gaza. They are the only terestrial station not to do this. They say they want to keep their impartiality.
To quote a post in the comments section of their site....


The BBC ran a DEC appeal for the Congo in 2008, BBC ran a DEC appeal for Sudan in 2004, BBC ran a DEC appeal for Kosovo in 1999, BBC ran a DEC appeal for Rwanda in 1994, BBC ran a DEC appeal for 'Former Yugoslavia' in 1994, etc...
BBC was not worried about "impartiality" then.
So we must just conclude that israel owns BBC...
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Gender: Male 		   Jan 25, 09, 16:56   #75
Logi Baird powered his original television with energy from pickernic baskets.
Many inventions weren't invented in one go by one individual. Some people live in a world where people work on eachother's ideas, sometimes even share ideas. What a beautiful world it could be. No, I'm not a ****ing hippy.
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Gender: Male 		   Jan 25, 09, 17:00   #76
Smarter than the average Baird.
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Gender: Male 		   Mar 16, 09, 10:18   #77
British TV channels ITV 1, 2, 3, and 4
Copy and paste these into windows media player URL and they seem to work okay from abroad. Be prepared for some of them will not show when there is a live stream because under UK copyright laws they are not allowed to live broadcasting on the net for some reason.
But all of them work as I have checked them.

mms://itvbrdbnd-itv1.wm.llnwd.net/itvbrdbnd_itv1?e=1236421395&h=67 d6d19a9d00537d 2d8a3ac21e784b43

mms://itvbrdbnd-itv2.wm.llnwd.net/itvbrdbnd_itv2?e=1236421481&h=e2 79c072163c3657 4ce3423d9403998c

mms://itvbrdbnd-itv3.wm.llnwd.net/itvbrdbnd_itv3?e=1236421551&h=c9 03523cd8d8fe85 510991f703a385e8

mms://itvbrdbnd-itv4.wm.llnwd.net/itvbrdbnd_itv4?e=1236419373&h=f5 09e0a5853e48cc a0123df3553643c9
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Gender: Male 		   Mar 16, 09, 11:23   #78
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sledz:
Benny Hill Was the best that British comedy ever had to offer:)

Benny was IBA, not BBC.

WarsawNoob:
Just wait until you have American style TV, with tons and tons of commercials and almost every program aimed at the lowest common denominator. You'll reconsider the value of your tv license.

We already have th seeds of it! And that's with the licence
Wroclaw Boy    Mar 16, 09, 12:20   #79
Trevek:
We already have th seeds of it!

adverts on Polish TV are just terrible. I refuse to watch Sky 1 on the principle that for every 1 hour were subjected to 15 minutes of advertising. Thats total waste of a life.
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Gender: Male 		   Mar 16, 09, 12:35   #80
I agree here. Polish commercials are atrocious for the most part. Too many pansies doing those yoghurt commercials. Also, TVN is ludicrous for breaks. The first break in Millionairze lasts 17 minutes. From 18.06 to 18.23. You doubt me? Go and watch it for yourself.

There are some commercials which are passable I guess.
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