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DaisyThreads: 16 Posts: 2,172 Joined: Apr 28, 07 ♀	Dec 3, 08, 15:14 #31
lesser: More TV channels? I'm delighted, people will be smarter and our young democracy will continue to flourish. Are you serious? quantity doesn't necessarily mean quality

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07 ♂	Dec 3, 08, 15:56 #32
Daisy: Are you serious? No. Daisy: quantity doesn't necessarily mean quality This is very anti-democratic claim.

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Edited by: Plywood Dec 5, 08, 04:12 #33

ukpolska:

After 19th Dec 2009 they will have to make their broadcasts available to the EU for free under the "Television without Frontiers" (TVWF) EU Directive LINK, which they are keeping very quiet about just in case it inflames the license payers.

This will make all European TV available to all and be the death-knell of the TV license and make a more competitive system.

If effect, this will make it possible to obtain British TV throughout Europe for free as well as obtaining other nationalities broadcasts, including Polish broadcasts in the UK.

BBC is FREE in Europe for long time now

just get sat-dish and wach to drop death

United Kingdom FREE TV Channels

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ukpolskaThreads: 51 Posts: 2,159 Joined: Oct 23, 06 MEMBER ♂	Dec 5, 08, 07:39 #34
Plywood: BBC is FREE in Europe for long time now just get sat-dish and wach to drop death United Kingdom FREE TV Channels It's free if you steal of course, but to view all freeview UK channels legally you have to have a current TV licence and be a resident of the UK; this EU Directive will change this.

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Dec 5, 08, 07:59 #35

Plywood:

just get sat-dish

Yes but as per your link you need to pick up Astra 2D. This beam is tightly focussed on the UK and therefore the further you are from the UK the bigger the dish required. My 1 metre dish in Opole wasn't big enough. I would guess that at least a 1.5 metre dish is necessary. In Eastern Poland even bigger. That might not be an option for people who live in a flat or are renting and don't have permission to put up a big dish. Also those big dishes are very expensive.

PlywoodThreads: 5 Posts: 53 Joined: Nov 29, 08 ♂	Edited by: Plywood Dec 5, 08, 08:02 #36
ukpolska: all freeview not all Licence cover jus BBC tv FOR UK RESIDENS and rest is commertial brodcasters How abaut BBC WORD, BBC ARABIQ and BBC PRIME ? UK residens pay tv licence but this chanals are not awalable in the UK

benszymanskiThreads: 9 Posts: 510 Joined: Feb 29, 08 ♂	Dec 5, 08, 08:03 #37
Plywood: How abaut BBC WORD, BBC ARABIQ and BBC PRIME ? UK residens pay tv licence but this chanals are not awalable in the UK Because these channels are especially for non-UK broadcast.

PlywoodThreads: 5 Posts: 53 Joined: Nov 29, 08 ♂	Edited by: Plywood Dec 5, 08, 08:09 #38
benszymanski: Because these channels are especially for non-UK broadcast. But made ON licence money ukpolska: EU Directive will change this It is answer on you optimistic perspective benszymanski: This beam is tightly focussed on the UK and therefore the further you are from the UK the bigger the dish required BBC all redy for Directive

benszymanskiThreads: 9 Posts: 510 Joined: Feb 29, 08 ♂	Dec 5, 08, 08:15 #39
Plywood: But made ON licence money As far as I understand those ones are commercial and have adverts and aren't paid for from the licence fund.

PlywoodThreads: 5 Posts: 53 Joined: Nov 29, 08 ♂	Dec 5, 08, 08:24 #40
BBC Prime brings great British entertainment into your home. Viewers are presented with a mix of entertainment shows from the BBC and other UK broadcasters bbcprime.com/ BBC entertainment shows - made from licence money other UK broadcasters - commertial and free who is stealing ?

benszymanskiThreads: 9 Posts: 510 Joined: Feb 29, 08 ♂	Dec 5, 08, 08:42 #41
yes you are right, plus they also sell lots of their BBC shows to other countries to raise money...

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Dec 5, 08, 09:26 #42

benszymanski:

My 1 metre dish in Opole wasn't big enough. I would guess that at least a 1.5 metre dish is necessary.

You be lucky to get away with 1.5 metres. Here in Warsaw you need at least 2.4 metres.

Plywood:

BBC entertainment shows - made from licence money
other UK broadcasters - commertial and free

who is stealing ?

Nobody is stealing. BBC Prime is sold outside the UK and has commercials. It buys content from the BBC production department (on the internal market) and other broadcasters. It is not funded from the license fee, it makes a profit and this profit is returned to the BBC and used to fund the BBC and keep the licence fee down.

ukpolskaThreads: 51 Posts: 2,159 Joined: Oct 23, 06 MEMBER ♂	Dec 5, 08, 10:24 #43
Plywood: BBC Prime brings great British entertainment into your home. This is objective lol BBC Prime has to be the worst bit of codswallop they broadcast, full of ancient repeats. Plywood: who is stealing ? If you view freeview TV from outside of the UK that is solely intended for UK viewing only, then technically you are stealing, although no one takes any notice of this.

HarryThreads: 59 Posts: 7,972 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂	Dec 5, 08, 11:14 #44
ukpolska: If you view freeview TV from outside of the UK that is solely intended for UK viewing only, then technically you are stealing, B0ll0cks! Stealing is permanently depriving a person of their property. Merely picking up a signal which is broadcast over the air is no more stealing than breathing is stealing!

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Dec 5, 08, 11:25 #45

I haven't had a TV of my own for about 14 years. Since then I used to watch the Simpsons for a while, but for the last 7 years or more, I have only watched a couple of programmes, only one on the BBC.

On the other hand, I spent most of that time listening to BBC Radio, especially Radio 4, but also Radio 1 (not since John Peel died though), Radio London and the World Service. For radio, no licence is required. TV owners were paying for my listening. There are no commercial broadcasters delivering the kind of stuff any of these stations provide.

However, I had to buy a TV licence when my former flatmate brought a TV home a few months ago, and I am not convinced I can get away with having broadband internet and no TV licence.

Śledź asked what they do if they catch you without a licence.
The answer is: they either bludgeon you to death in your sleep, or they impose a hefty fine.

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Dec 5, 08, 12:00 #46

I didnt have a licence for 10 years, even for 2yrs after I got cable tv and broadband installed. Recently I bought a new TV and the*****s in the shop passed on my details, so for the 1st time in 10 yrs Ive been forced to get one.. its a load of b******s. I kept sending back the reminders saying I didnt have a TV. There is no such thing as a detector van so they just assume all households have one. Even if they see it you can say you are only using it for watching DVDs and get away with it.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Dec 5, 08, 12:09 #47
I had been told that the cathode ray tube emits a particular frequency of aubergine-wave that could be detected over short distances. Nowadays many television sets use liquid crystal displays rather than CRT, and in any case, they assume everyone has a TV anyway, and those that don't are liars anyway.

PlywoodThreads: 5 Posts: 53 Joined: Nov 29, 08 ♂	Dec 5, 08, 14:50 #48
ukpolska: If you view freeview TV from outside of the UK that is solely intended for UK viewing only, then technically you are stealing, although no one takes any notice of this. it is like going by train and watch somebodys cow on the field although no one takes any notice of this to

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Dec 6, 08, 04:45 #49

Harry:

B0ll0cks! Stealing is permanently depriving a person of their property. Merely picking up a signal which is broadcast over the air is no more stealing than breathing is stealing!

lol, eloquent as ever Harry, although your wrong, as permanency has no defining legal value associated with stealing:
In the criminal law, theft (also known as stealing) is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent.

However, I am nitpicking here:)

ukpolskaThreads: 51 Posts: 2,159 Joined: Oct 23, 06 MEMBER ♂	Dec 7, 08, 05:53 #50
Nice parody on the BBC lol

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Dec 7, 08, 06:52 #51
Does Jonathan Ross still look the same age as he did 15 years ago? Has he inherited the BBC wig-holder title? Forget about the licence fee for a moment. The biggest problem with the BBC is that Humphrey Lyttleton died and John Peel died. Two irreplaceable people in my opinion, but the BBC just relies on ideiots like Ross and Whatsisface on Radio 1.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 7, 08, 06:54 #52
The John Peel Sessions were legendary. His knowledge and expertise are sorely missed. He was a calm and fair guy.

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Edited by: osiol Dec 7, 08, 06:59 #53

Seanus:

The John Peel Sessions were legendary. His knowledge and expertise are sorely missed. He was a calm and fair guy.

Anyone who doesn't know about John Peel would do well to look at the List of Peel Sessions - sets of usually four songs quickly recorded in a BBC studio for John Peel's radio show. Open the page, then use the search function to find probably many of your favourite artists. Then check out when they recorded their sessions. For many, it was before anyone else gave a **** about them.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 7, 08, 07:03 #54
Yeah, he gave them a platform upon which to expand. He won the respect of many for his level-headed approach.

DaisyThreads: 16 Posts: 2,172 Joined: Apr 28, 07 ♀	Edited by: Daisy Dec 7, 08, 07:11 #55
Seanus: Yeah, he gave them a platform upon which to expand There are quite a few 'big names' around today, who would probably have remained nobodys if it wasnt for Peel what have the likes of Woss and Bland ever given us? As long as the BBC continue to pay 7 figure salaries to talentless halfwits, they are knocking the nails into their own coffin thanks Seanus

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 7, 08, 07:17 #56
Simon Cowell is another example of a twat who earns way too much. That was funny when he met Jeremy Clarkson. I'm not a fan of Clarkson but he is less smug than that creepy little bellend.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Dec 7, 08, 07:27 #57
No it's not. Seanus: less smug than that creepy little bellend. That nearly sent coffee flying out of my mouth as I read that whilst attempting to take a sip. What has Simon Cowell ever done? At least Clarkson, although I don't really like him and disagree with him probably about most things, he can be funny.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 7, 08, 07:32 #58
I have the same view. Cowell is just a judgemental git, smarmy and cocksure. Poland has Kuba Wojewódski, another opinionated buffoon. I much prefer calmer commentators with a healthy touch of charisma. Wogan is calm but he has the charisma of a man who sits and gazes at goldfish all day long.

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Edited by: sapphire Dec 12, 08, 07:46 #59

osiol:

What has Simon Cowell ever done

well he runs a multi-million dollar record company and hosts two of the biggest shows on American and UK TV and also co-owns the rights to those shows for which he gets paid zillions..to name but a couple of things. Personally I like him.. he is honest, knows what he is talking about when it comes to music and lets face it those shows would not be as successful without him on borad. Bring on the X Factor final tomorrow night!

As for the BBC is not dying, in fact it is expanding with the creation of several new channels and on-line services. The BBC will never die and British people should be proud of it..on a global level it is the most well known and well respected TV and news service out there.

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Dec 12, 08, 08:24 #60

Well I am sorry to have to tell you sapphire that there is going to be a big uproar soon, because the latest information that I have from a media company friend of mine is that this European Directive "Television without Frontiers" is being pushed forward to early 2009. LINK
When this happens the BBC will HAVE to allow it's broadcasting rights to ALL European countries and they the same.
So you can imagine the uproar when British TV License payers will be paying for all of Europe to watch UK TV.
The BBC will have to adapt somehow, whether this be through advertising or whatever and if they do this then they go against their 1922 Royal Charter, which forbids advertising.

All in all the BBC's hands are tied and they can do nothing about it.
Already company's are rebroadcasting UK TV over the internet and are perfectly legal to do so. A Company called TVCatchup was threatened by the BBC for rebroadcasting it's programs and so TVCatchup consulted their lawyers and won.
Their company will soon be rebroadcasting UK TV all over Europe, which I personally feel is fantastic news, but hey I live in Poland so I am biased for wanting free UK TV lol