Documentary on foreign and local workers in a town in England.

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Mar 16, 10, 00:16 #61

RevokeNice:

Did you see Farages attack on Von Rompuy?

Actually - the way that they dealt with him was scandalous. But I suspect that while he would get away with it (and be applauded) in the UK, Europeans tend to expect their politicians to be more...political?

It was an excellent rant though, and while I don't agree with his politics, he has a damn good point in that no-one had ever heard of him. Such is the nature of compromise, I guess.

Seanus:

It'd be very interesting to see how an independent Scotland and separate England would deal with the problems under Salmond and Farage at the respective helms

England would likely go down the path of America, whereas Scotland would probably move towards the Scandinavian model of cradle-to-grave welfare. I've always thought that this is one of the biggest problems with the UK - what Scottish people fundamentally want from their country is different to what the English want.

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Edited by: Seanus Mar 16, 10, 00:19 #62

Absolutely superb! I'm becoming a big fan of Farage, he took what Thatcher said on the EU and rationalised it into a more sensibly motivated approach. He toned it down but realised that national sovereignty must still mean something. The sad reality is that Brown, Sarkozy and Merkel have the potential to make even more of a stuff up of things and push us into oblivion.

His immigration speeches are inspiring and are worthy of commentary. I couldn't believe that he outlined his vision in Newsnight, only for a dumb woman beside him to ask him, 'so you are anti-immigration then?'. He clearly said that immigration brings tangible benefits but that a work permit system was needed. Yes, there are inherent dangers to selectivism but, if well regulated, brings some hope for a workable solution.

Delph, Aneurin Bevan's 'from cradle to grave' vision was the hallmark of the NHS before Thatcher messed it up with CCT and excessive privatisation. Health must remain a key priority and some ideas from Obama's socialist medicine might be helpful. As for immigration, I would feel comfortable in the hands of Salmond. He is welcoming but is cognisant of the reality on the ground.

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Mar 16, 10, 00:28 #63

delphiandomine:

Actually - the way that they dealt with him was scandalous. But I suspect that while he would get away with it (and be applauded) in the UK, Europeans tend to expect their politicians to be more...political?

Like Sarko labelling the Irish people as "losers" and "silly" for rejecting the Liesbon treaty part un?

Real classy that.

delphiandomine:

It was an excellent rant though, and while I don't agree with his politics, he has a damn good point in that no-one had ever heard of him. Such is the nature of compromise, I guess.

"You seem to have a loathing for the very concept of the existence of nation states," "Perhaps that's because you come from Belgium, which is pretty much a non-country."

Thats not a rant. Thats comedy gold!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 16, 10, 00:36 #64
As much as I agree with you on this one, RN, can we please return to immigration? I know you have plenty to say on the matter as you come from one of the three countries that completely opened up their borders (Sweden being the third).

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,767 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Mar 16, 10, 03:04 #65
Seanus: As much as I agree with you on this one, RN, can we please return to immigration? Of course, Seanus. Subscribe to my blog for my thoughts on mass immigration. :)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 16, 10, 07:57 #66
Can you send me the blog either via PM or, if you wish, here on the forum boards!? Thanks, Seanus

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