embarrassed to be english again

slask miller

Feb 4, 10, 11:49 #1

yet again the brits make prats of them selves, demanding that all foreign workers should be replaced by british workers....
idiots we are in europe i work in poland, according to the britsh i should be sacked and sent home? in the 80,s all british construction workers should have been sacked from german sites and sent home, in the summers the 000,s of british workers in spain should be sacked and sent home. sack all the aussies in bars round london send them home.
ffs your an embarrassment. stop complaining times are bad now, but when they are good you are begging the polish to fill positions you cant have it both ways.
sorry for the rant just annoys me

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Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Feb 4, 10, 11:52 #2

slask miller:

in the 80,s all british construction workers should have been sacked from german sites and sent home, in the summers the 000,s of british workers in spain should be sacked and sent home. sack all the aussies in bars round london send them home.

Thats minoritys mate 000's as you say, were talking millions in the UK taking British jobs. Take ethnic asian communities for example, just a few houses and families no problem but when they begin taking over entire cities somebodys going to say something. Its all about the numbers.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Edited by: SeanBM Feb 4, 10, 11:53 #3
This might interest you : Brits protest against foreign workforce including Poles

slask miller	Feb 4, 10, 12:02 #4
the asian issue is a massive world issue, and will become a massive problem to everone

slask miller	Feb 4, 10, 12:04 #5
the point i was trying to make is the english travel the world taking jobs when the brit job market drys up, but complain when other do it

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Feb 4, 10, 12:10 #6

I agree- I am Anglo-Irish, I travel to the Middle East to work, so it would be hypocritical of me to attack the Polish for coming here. And I thought it was the height of hypocrisy to listen to the Irish also complaining about the Polish when I lived and worked in Ireland. But I do have a suggestion for all the whingers in the UK and Ireland- why not do what I did: get off your butts, re-train for a career elsewhere (you'll have a better salary and better weather), and go out looking for work? It's just a thought.......

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Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Feb 4, 10, 12:11 #7

slask miller:

the point i was trying to make is the english travel the world taking jobs when the brit job market drys up, but complain when other do it

Im aware of that, but as i said it all comes down to the numbers, when did Brits travel abroad when the employment market dried up?

crusader:

get off your butts, re-train for a career elsewhere (you'll have a better salary and better weather), and go out looking for work? It's just a thought.......

Probably becasue most of them are in their late 30's have a family/mortgage and cant afford to not bring in a wage.

The fundamental fact is the numbers, give me a country that has experienced 1,000,000 + foreign cheap workers flooding the job market in less than 3 years. Come on.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Feb 4, 10, 12:26 #8
Wroclaw Boy: The fundamental fact is the numbers, give me a country that has experienced 1,000,000 + foreign cheap workers flooding the job market in less than 3 years. Come on. 12 Immigrants Killed in Johannesburg Riots At least 12 foreigners were shot, stabbed, beaten or burned to death over the weekend in anti-immigrant protests in and around Johannesburg

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Feb 4, 10, 12:28 #9

slask miller:

sorry for the rant

Don't apologise for the rant slask miller, next time just try and be a bit more balanced and wider in your thinking and opinions. It's not simply the English making 'prats' of themselves or being 'an embarrassment' but a reaction which you will or would find in any country in the same circumstances. Also, there will always be a few people, whether workers or politicians, who will make so much noise about an issue that one can think they represent the attitude of a whole nation; this isn't so.

Are you saying that there wouldn't be the same reaction in Poland if large numbers of immigrants or economic migrants were employed there during an economic recession? It's not so much of an issue in Poland as Poles can and have moved to other EEC countries to work; but what if those doors were suddenly closed and they had to return to Poland to find thousands of immigrant workers were employed in the Polish economy do you honestly think that some Poles wouldn't take the same attitude as some English people are taking now?

It's not about the English behaving in this particular way; it's about a side of human nature which sometimes appears in any society or country. Or maybe you've just got a bit of an anti-English chip on your shoulder?

crusaderThreads: 4 Posts: 79 Joined: Jan 25, 09 ♂	Feb 4, 10, 12:40 #10
Wroclaw Boy: Probably becasue most of them are in their late 30's have a family/mortgage and cant afford to not bring in a wage. Well more fool them for wanting to live in cramped, overpriced, boxes, in a cramped, overcrowded, rundown country. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for them.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Feb 4, 10, 12:55 #11
crusader: Well more fool them for wanting to live in cramped, overpriced, boxes, in a cramped, overcrowded, rundown country. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for them. Are we still talking about English people wanting to live in England? Your statement seems very harsh, why shouldn't people be able to work in the country where they are from? I think most people see that as their right.

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Feb 4, 10, 13:05 #12

Wroclaw Boy:

Probably becasue most of them are in their late 30's have a family/mortgage and cant afford to not bring in a wage.

And probably because they have spent years training to get to that point in their career. If they retrained they'd probably be refused work in favour of a younger worker (with Polish qualifications).

The problem is that when migrant workers come to another country they can gauge their lifestyle from the wages they are getting. If you live in a country and have taken mortgages, credit etc on the basis of a wage you are getting (or expect to get) and then you find that the wage increases don't happen or you get undercut and lose business then it is a lot harder to make the adjustment.

Example, a friend of mine was/is a self-employed builder. He'd trained, spent his time on road projects, buil;ding sites etc and had studied administration. He would charge 25 pounds an hour and do a bloody good job. Then he began to lose money because the firms/customers could hire a Polish builder for 15 an hour. 15 an hour is a pretty decent wage, but not when you've calculated your own living standard to 25. Likewise, self-employed drivers found themselves being faced with a wage freeze.

I am not against migrant workers (being one myself) and I think it's fair for someone to go to a country to live and work when they are contributing to that society and doig a decent job (whatever they are doing). The problem comes when the over-greedy companies use them as a means to undercut and underpay.

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Feb 4, 10, 13:11 #13

SeanBM:

Your statement seems very harsh, why shouldn't people be able to work in the country where they are from?
I think most people see that as their right

The point I am trying to make is that the British want too much for too little. Most people I know here are bone-idle and have an inflated opinion of their worth as an employee. And I will never understand exactly why anyone would want to shell out most of their salary for the dubious privilege of 'owning' property here, which they seem to think is a birth-right- it isn't- you have to work for it. But if they want to throw their money away like that then I wish them good luck and commiserations.

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Feb 4, 10, 13:47 #14
Should these threads be merged? http://www.polishforums.com/polonia-uk-ireland-31/brits-protest-agains t-foreigners-workforce-including-poles-41830/

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Edited by: SeanBM Feb 4, 10, 15:37 #15

crusader:

The point I am trying to make is that the British want too much for too little. Most people I know here are bone-idle and have an inflated opinion of their worth as an employee.

I would not call most British people bone-idle at all.
I approach it a different way though, in my experience as a foreigner having worked in England, you have to work your butt off as I had no ''fall back'' plan, in most cases family, free rent, free food, until I find a job etc...
In some cases this reflects poorly on the locals.

And as employees, people tend to think that British or Irish or Mongolians will employ "their own" when it comes down to it.
I know of no successful employer that would hire or fire based on nationality, it is a balance of efficiency and wages.

crusader:

I will never understand exactly why anyone would want to shell out most of their salary for the dubious privilege of 'owning' property here, which they seem to think is a birth-right- it isn't- you have to work for it.

But if they are shelling out most of their salaries it means they are working for it, no?
I must be misunderstanding you.

Trevek:

Should these threads be merged?

I guess this thread could be more general than the other specific event?

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Edited by: crusader Feb 4, 10, 16:24 #16

SeanBM:

But if they are shelling out most of their salaries it means they are working for it, no?
I must be misunderstanding you.

Yes, you misunderstood and yes, they are working for it- but what most, and I stress 'most', Britons define as work would probably not concur with my definition. I am English born and raised, and have lived and worked in fourteen different countries so far, and the experience has left me deeply unimpressed with my fellow countrymen. When I hear them whinging I never know whether to slap them or laugh at them, or both. The world has changed- is still changing- but they don't seem to be able to grasp that.

Ron Moore	Feb 4, 10, 17:46 #17
slask miller: embarrassed to be english With writing skills like yours so you should be.

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Edited by: Moderator Feb 4, 10, 17:58 #18

crusader:

inflated opinion of their worth as an employee

But you are worth every penny, i'm sure.

crusader:

The point I am trying to make is that the British want too much for too little

What utter bollocks. You know nothing of me or my life yet you comment that i "want too much for too little". Everything i have i have worked for and on more than one occasion spilled blood for. So don't pigeon hole me with your crap stereotype!

as pointed out, this topic is covered elsewhere. to merge it would mean loss of posts.
something will be done about it in due course.

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