How ENGLISH has been affected by POLISH

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Mar 21, 11, 22:26 #61
1jola: Has anyone mentioned spruce yet? First page of this thread.

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Mar 21, 11, 23:10 #62
Possibly the American use of "meeting with my friends" (meaning a pre-arranged meeting) comes from Polish. It is still viewed as 'non-standard' in UK English. The "alright, already" of US might also be influenced by Polish but I'm not sure.

BarneyThreads: 16 Posts: 1,630 Joined: May 26, 08 ♂	Mar 21, 11, 23:38 #63
gumishu: Redzina or rendzina can't possibly be Russian because Russian doesn't have nasal vowels nor the 'dz' sound I thunk wrong then:(

matzoball	Mar 23, 11, 21:21 #64
1jola: can see why they call you a matzo ball. funnily enough, I can see why you often get called "Suspended" :p

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Edited by: isthatu2 Mar 24, 11, 00:57 #65
Barney: I thunk wrong then prob not because russian does have those sounds...........not quite as harsh as in Polish but they are there.

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Mar 24, 11, 07:08 #66

isthatu2:

Barney: I thunk wrong then
prob not because russian does have those sounds...........not quite as harsh as in Polish but they are there.

słownik etymologiczny:
rędzina, rędzinny, w XVI i XVII wieku ogólne, o ‘glebie urodzajnej’; serb. rudina, ‘niwa’, przymiotnik rud, o włosach: ruda kosa, ‘kędziory’, ruditi kosu, ‘kędzierzawić’, ruda, rudica, ‘zbita wełna’; porównaj rdest (7).

There are a few places in Poland called 'Rędziny' Wiki, and there's a surname Rędziński.

Barney, who were those Russians that invented soil science? The only possible names that spring to my mind are Michurin and Lysenko.

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Mar 24, 11, 12:02 #67

nott:

Barney, who were those Russians that invented soil science?

Vasily Dokuchaev

Vasily Vasil'evich Dokuchaev is commonly regarded as the father of pedology, the study of soils in its natural setting. He developed soil science in Russia, and was, perhaps the first person to make wide geographical investigations of different soil types. His great contribution to science was, literally, to "put soils on the map".

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Mar 24, 11, 13:41 #68
nott: There are a few places in Poland called 'Rędziny' Wiki, and there's a surname Rędziński. Thanks for info. Still,I stick by my dismisal of gummi bear saying Russian doesnt have the dz sound....I would HOPE people realise thats just wrong...;)

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Mar 24, 11, 23:00 #69

Barney:

Vasily Vasil'evich Dokuchaev

Wow, I didn't know that, obliged. So there's more to Russian science than Mendeleev.

isthatu2:

Still,I stick by my dismisal of gummi bear saying Russian doesnt have the dz sound....I would HOPE people realise thats just wrong...;)

But could you give an example of a Russian word with the 'dz' sound? I can't think of any right now... They might pronounce 'dievochka' like there was a hint of 'dz', but come on...

ShortHairThugThreads: - Posts: 1,377 Joined: May 1, 09 ♂	Mar 24, 11, 23:45 #70
The human kind had been working the land since time in memorial and the names for different soil types existed long before this particular science ever did.

nottThreads: 6 Posts: 1,271 Joined: Jun 2, 10 ♂	Mar 25, 11, 00:04 #71
ShortHairThug: The human kind had been working the land since time in memorial and the names for different soil types existed long before this particular science ever did. Still some languages benefited from Dokuchaev's 'chernozem, podsol, gley, solonets'. Courtesy Wikipedia. Not 'rędzina', though :) Hereby I solemnly declare it an undisputed contribution of Polish to English.

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Edited by: Barney Mar 25, 11, 00:25 #72

nott:

I solemnly declare it an undisputed contribution of Polish to English.

Yes it is, without getting into a big thing about soil science I thought it may have originated from Russian as other words in this field commonly used in English are Russian. No one except soil scientists would know Redzina as a word but everyone knows Gley as a description for soil and a metaphor. It would be interesting to know how Redzina was chosen as a name for an azonal soil. It’s a description used in the US. Perhaps a Polish American?

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Edited by: nott Mar 25, 11, 00:37 #73

Barney:

No one except soil scientists would know Redzina as a word

Well, I didn't. But it must've been popular in some parts of Poland as there are places named after it.

Barney:

It would be interesting to know how Redzina was chosen as a name for an azonal soil.

Indeed...

SeanBM:

List of English words of Polish origin Wiki

incomplete :)

The English word sabre derives from the French sabre, which comes in turn from the Hungarian Szablya and Polish "Szabla", originally a Hungarian verb for "to cut down". Wiki

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Mar 26, 11, 05:28 #74
nott: I can't think of any right now... the ones Id thought of,after hunting down various examples seem to more often be the Dya or dzh sound ,so,your probably right,I learnt a lot of my Russian from people from the sticks north of Petes so.....god knows ,maybe they have a funny accent?

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