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 Dec 6, 10, 21:37    #1
It's really hard to find in English news true information about attacks on Poles, usually English news-media inform about Pole attacking English or other Poles. That one was possible because news was spread locally.

Marcin Nowak, 25, was savagely beaten by the men after he became embroiled in a fight at St Andrews Street taxi rank, Cambridge Crown Court was told.

One man is seen kicking the factory workers head like a football as he lies helpless on the ground during the incident on September 13 last year.

Six men pleaded guilty to affray at Cambridge Magistrates Court earlier this year. Each of them walked free the main offender received just a 28-day suspended sentence.

Although the men denied sparking the fight by telling Nowak and his friend to go back to Poland, Judge Hawkesworth believed there was some taunting.

Trouble is, you are a big strong lad and, fuelled by drink, you would not leave the situation alone and continued on fighting. You know perfectly well fighting in public is not acceptable and for that you have to be punished.
Nowak, of Fen Road, Chesterton, who works in a seed factory, was given a three-month weekend curfew as part of a 12-month supervision order after admitting affray.

Please notice:
  • cambridge-news does not give information
  • one of English stole a mobile phone (it's a more robbery then theft)
  • one English qualify to be charge in attempt murder
  • check police behavior on youtube
  • judge alone give a sentence to Pole trying to help his friend

To people who say it's a English lower class entertainment, they look like middle class. Anyway enjoy watching English culture


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 Dec 6, 10, 21:55    #2
ender:
enjoy watching

very cool video. i enjoyed it

ender:
Are English rasicts?

no
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 Dec 6, 10, 22:12    #3
ender:
It's really hard to find in English news true information about attacks on Poles, usually English news-media inform about Pole attacking English or other Poles. That one was possible because news was spread locally.

In England most news is spread locally, unless it's something shocking. When an English person is attacked in Poland by one or more Poles (and it happens - at least as often percentagewise than the reverse in UK) do they announce it as a newsflash?
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 Dec 6, 10, 22:15    #4
jonni:
do they announce it as a newsflash

YES
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Edited by: Richfilth  Dec 6, 10, 22:18    #5
ender:
To people who say it's a English lower class entertainment, they look like middle class


They might look like middle class from a Polish perspective, but they're definitely not. Although it depends whether we're bringing upper-working vs lower-middle into the debate.

As for the news: English news reporting in England to English people wouldn't have a headline "FOUR BRITISH THUGS ATTACK INNOCENT POLE" unless that Pole was a woman, or a foreign student, or some other stereotype story that will sell newspapers. Otherwise, it's just a local crime story where nationality has nothing to do with it.

Maybe I can say you're racist, for bringing in the Polishness of it. If two guys punch each-other in the face, does it matter what countries they come from? They're both idiots.

The English are xenophobes, not racists.
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Edited by: jonni  Dec 6, 10, 22:19    #6
ender:
YES

They certainly don't - it usually never even makes the local newspapers.
Richfilth:
They might look like middle class from a Polish perspective, but they're definitely not.

Exactly - the youtube title says it all.

And the English courts are not at all biased in favour of natives - in fact any hint of racial violence and they take a very dim view indeed.
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 Dec 6, 10, 22:20    #7
jonni:
it usually never even makes the local newspapers


it certainly doesn't reach the international press agency that I work in every single day of the week...
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Edited by: espana  Dec 6, 10, 22:21    #8
THE VIDEO IS ABOUT ALCOHOL , they would pick on anything different.
spics , polacks , pakis , niggas , gays etc etc
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 Dec 6, 10, 22:52    #9
Some are and some aren't. To their credit, they have largely stamped it out at football matches but stuff on the street is a bit different. I think many are disillusioned with Poles getting jobs which they need but the Brits only have themselves to blame for that. We've been through the whole Polish 'race' issue before anyway.
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 Dec 6, 10, 22:56    #10
Richfilth:
They might look like middle class from a Polish perspective, but they're definitely not.

It's your opinion I suggest to check mobile thief from 1.40
Richfilth:
it certainly doesn't reach the international press agency

Maybe because there is no such incidents. Hardly few news from from Poland reach international press. But on PF you can find so many expats beaten in Poland don't you?
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Edited by: Richfilth  Dec 6, 10, 23:00    #11
It's your opinion I suggest to check mobile thief from 1.40

A guy in a cheap suit walking like a cheap gangster. I'm no class warrior, but I somehow doubt he's a City banker...

ender:
Hardly few news from from Poland reach international press. But on PF you can find so many expats beaten in Poland don't you?


Stories in Poland sent in English about events in Poland relevant to English-speaking people would certainly reach this agency's ears. But those readers don't have a victim complex to maintain, like you do, it seems. Why does it matter how many Poles get beaten up? It matters how many PEOPLE get attacked, not of any particular nationality.

Sure, there's a racist element to some attacks, which is not helped by the fact that British patriotism only exists in line with sporting events, where they get the chance to "smash the foreigners" at football or something. But I don't see why it would be important for the English press to report more and more Polish attacks unless it was a national sentiment of hatred towards Poles, which there isn't, no matter how hard you look for it or want it to be there.
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 Dec 6, 10, 23:01    #12
ender:
But on PF you can find so many expats beaten in Poland don't you?

I've been confronted twice, once due to my buddies race, and another time by a group of drunks that overheard us speaking English.

Just my personal experience, I still think this place is candyland though.
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Edited by: jonni  Dec 6, 10, 23:05    #13
ender:
It's your opinion I suggest to check mobilae thief from 1.40

Worth much more than yours, since you aren't from that country and evidently know little about its culture. Look at his haircut! Pure chav. Look at that suit - pure cash converters!
ender:
Maybe because there is no such incidents

I can think of a dozen off the top of my head - none resulted in a court appearance, none made the newspapers.
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Edited by: ender  Dec 6, 10, 23:11    #14
convex:
I've been confronted twice, once due to my buddies race, and another time by a group of drunks that overheard us speaking English.

Did they treat you or your friend same way as on the film or at least hit or pushed anyone?
Richfilth:
A guy in a cheap suit walking like a cheap gangster.

Obviously it's not my problem what English middle class wears. I wear Jaeger
Richfilth:
those readers don't have a victim complex to maintain, like you do, it seems

I'm sorry did I complain or moan or cry about English racism? I think I state some facts. To be honest I personally don't call such behavior racism nazism.
jonni:
I can think of a dozen off the top of my head - none resulted in a court appearance, none made the newspapers.

Go on I am Pole and we DISCUSS problem not cover it.
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Edited by: zetigrek  Dec 6, 10, 23:12    #15
welshguyinpola was also beaten. He mentioned something about it in some other threat
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 Dec 6, 10, 23:15    #16
ender:
Did they treat you or your friend same way as on the film or at least hit or pushed anyone?

Screamed out Czarnuch, threw a bottle from an overpass, ran down, and apparently decided that they didn't want to get their asses kicked (I think we might have looked a bit smaller from a distance)...or maybe the Dutch courage wore off when they realized we weren't going anywhere.
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 Dec 6, 10, 23:18    #17
convex:
maybe the Dutch courage wore off


it surprises me because Dutch are actually known to fight pretty good.
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 Dec 6, 10, 23:19    #18
ender:
I am Pole and we DISCUSS problem not cover it.

Evidently not.
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 Dec 6, 10, 23:20    #19
another polack flying.


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 Dec 6, 10, 23:23    #20
zetigrek:
welshguyinpola was also beaten. He mentioned something about it in some other threat

He deserved it.
convex:
Screamed out Czarnuch, threw a bottle from an overpass, ran down, and apparently decided that they didn't want to get their asses kicked (I think we might have looked a bit smaller from a distance)...or maybe the Dutch courage wore off when they realized we weren't going anywhere.

I'll buy your friend from you.
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Edited by: ender  Dec 6, 10, 23:26    #21
zetigrek:
welshguyinpola was also beaten. He mentioned something about it in some other threat

He has many confabulation one is how many lazy Polish asses he sucked. I just wander why he keep hiring them. :-)

convex:
apparently decided that they didn't want to get their asses kicked

right. So they abuse you and your friend but they didn't even touch any of you coz Poles are chicken aren't they?

espana:
another polack flying

That's what I'm saying. When I see such things I think what was taught about fighting with others and in case of fight with English I should treat him like a rabid dog(w¶ciekły pies).
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 Dec 6, 10, 23:26    #22
Sokrates:
I'll buy your friend from you.

Make me an offer, he'll be back to spread his special brand of love in a couple weeks.
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 Dec 6, 10, 23:29    #23
guesswho:
it surprises me because Dutch are actually known to fight pretty good.


Just check English/Dutch history, and you'll know exactly why they're so jealous of our courage.

;)
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Edited by: convex  Dec 6, 10, 23:30    #24
ender:
right. So they abuse you and your friend but they didn't even touch any of you coz Poles are chicken aren't they?

That group was. Drunk pussies actually. The other time it didn't end up so cordial. On a side note, the guys at the gym I go to aren't pussies. As Seanus would say, some are, some aren't. The ones that run their mouths usually are.
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Edited by: ARC  Dec 6, 10, 23:38    #25
So in the same forum where Poles are whining about a black guy running for office and all the "darkies" they think will flood their country as a result we have this thread...calling the English racist. This forum is so hypocritical. In fact I can't help but think most of the people are posting for a laugh as I cannot believe there can be this much hypocrisy in so many of the topics.
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 Dec 6, 10, 23:48    #26
convex:
The other time it didn't end up so cordial.

I don't understand , you don't want to be seen as a person with
Richfilth:
victim complex to maintain
or your as has been kicked. If you or your were not treated same way as Poles in Birmingham why telling about uproar and unkind treatment
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Edited by: convex  Dec 6, 10, 23:48    #27
ARC:
This forum is so hypocritical.

Maybe because it's made out of many different people's ideas and not just one homogeneous opinion on topics?

ender:
I don't understand , you don't want to be seen as a person with
victim complex to maintain or your as has been kicked. If you or your were not treated same way as Poles in Birmingham why telling about uproar and unkind treatment

What are you getting at? You asked a question, I answered it. Just because I didn't get my ass kicked doesn't change the fact that I was attacked. Once nearly hit by a bottle and almost got into a fight, and the other time did get into a fight...

I should have gotten beat down before I can talk about being attacked? Really not following you here.
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 Dec 7, 10, 00:09    #28
Are the English racist?

Some are, some aren't.

The English are an island race, we are warriors, fighting is what we do best.
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Edited by: Moderator  Dec 7, 10, 00:10    #29
One shouldn't confuse the rise in the BNP's popularity as signifying an increase in direct instances of racism. Football-based racism really put things on the map. I remember how the Turks were singled out. 'I'd rather be a Paki than a Turk' was what was sung by hools. This is just based on attacks more than any real hate for another race.
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 Dec 7, 10, 00:12    #30
Are English rasicts?

Yes


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