Does everyone know about countess Markiewicz?

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Edited by: Teffle Mar 8, 11, 15:48 #1
Maybe it's all old news to many Poles but haven't noticed it mentioned on this site anyway. It's more of an Anglo-Irish story than a Polish one of course - but with the obvious Polish connection. Interesting and unusual chapter in history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Markiewicz

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 9, 11, 23:10 #2
I see that she converted to Catholicism but she'd been an Irish republican nationalist for years before that. I know W.B. Yeats was a Protestant and an Irish nationalist too. Were these two quite anomalous at the time? Are there many Protestants in Irish nationalist parties today?

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 9, 11, 23:15 #3
Teffle: Interesting and unusual chapter in history. She's a very interesting lady - I remember reading about her years ago, well before even thinking about Poland. Any idea if it's true about the Irish Citizen Army's anthem being based on a Polish song?

irishlodzThreads: 2 Posts: 115 Joined: Oct 19, 09 ♂	Mar 10, 11, 00:09 #4
She married a Pole so had little connection really, may never have visited the country. She was the first woman to be elected as an MP though.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Mar 10, 11, 00:25 #5
Teffle: Interesting and unusual chapter in history. The street was named after her in Sligo.

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Edited by: JonnyM Mar 10, 11, 00:31 #6

A remarkable person. Her sister too.

Des Essientes:

Were these two quite anomalous at the time?

Not at all. Quite common in fact.

Des Essientes:

Are there many Protestants in Irish nationalist parties today?

In the south, there are protestants in all walks of life and at the moment quite a high rate of conversions to Anglicanism. The North is somewhat polarised.

Her life was an amazing story. On a side note (a Russia rather than a Poland thing), am I right in thinking that the most important part of the Russian crown jewels, the Cap of Monomakh, spent a few years in a cardboard box in someone's attic in Dublin?

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 10, 11, 00:39 #7
JonnyM: at the moment quite a high rate of conversions to Anglicanism. Is the Anglican Church in Ireland still called the "Church of Ireland"? Here in the USA Anglicans are called Episcopalians.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Mar 10, 11, 00:43 #8
Yes. They use the term Episcopalian in Scotland. The Church of Ireland tends to have huge, locked and largely empty buildings but apparently is having something of a revival, especially among young families.

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Mar 10, 11, 00:57 #9

JonnyM:

Quite common in fact.

Especially during that period. Quite a few important figures in Irish nationalism were protestants e.g. Parnell, Wolfe Tone, Isaac Butt, Robert Emmett.

In the republic today, a few protestant nationalists but not at all common. Then again, relatively few protestants in the republic anyway.

Mansergh is a prominent and influential figure in the Fianna Fáil party for example, and a COI member.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Mar 10, 11, 01:30 #10
yep,the whole Catholic Protestant divide is a fairly new phase of nationalism, I keep meaning to read up on the 1790s United Irishmen(?) group and attempted uprising,but,TBH Irish,like Scots history tends to depress me as I cant fully shake off the blood tied emotions....and get to wound up for someone happily living in England :)

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Mar 10, 11, 11:10 #11
delphiandomine: Any idea if it's true about the Irish Citizen Army's anthem being based on a Polish song? Wow - hadn't heard about that. If it's true, might make for more of a Polish link than the existing tenuous one!

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Mar 10, 11, 11:59 #12
isthatu2: and get to wound up Easily done ; )

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 10, 11, 14:20 #13
Teffle: Wow - hadn't heard about that. It says that about the anthem in the link you posted at the thread's start.

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Mar 10, 11, 14:46 #14

Teffle:

Easily done ; )

Aye,doesnt help when one of the local pubs is named after this tw*t...:)

Butcher Cumberland....

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Mar 10, 11, 15:07 #15
Des Essientes: It says that about the anthem in the link you posted at the thread's start Ooops! Didn't even read the link myself - just found it and posted it.

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