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KsysiaThreads: 39
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Some things about the beautiful island are just grand, but health care is not one of them. They don't have specialist doctors available on a same day visit. They don't have gynaecologists easily available either, and the check-ups are done by your local GP.

That is not the worst. You can't legally get a smear before you're 25.

which must logically mean that boyfriends don't take the girlfriends for a visit to the gynaecologist before they have sex for the first time. That's irresponsible, and guys are missing out on a good occasion to show care and maturity, and hold your hand before your first pelvic.

No wonder gonorrhoea and chlamydia are popular TV advert topics...
convexThreads: 47
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Do you have a comparison to Poland that you'd like to share?
KsysiaThreads: 39
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Why, is a pelvic scaring you into sarcasm?
convexThreads: 47
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Ksysia:
Why, is a pelvic scaring you into sarcasm?


Just curious. I personally haven't had any experience with Polish gynecologists, but I've heard nothing but terrible things.
KsysiaThreads: 39
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My experience is that they are good and they are available in Poland
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Ksysia:
which must logically mean that boyfriends don't take the girlfriends for a visit to the gynaecologist before they have sex for the first time. That's irresponsible, and guys are missing out on a good occasion to show care and maturity, and hold your hand before your first pelvic.


Bit of foreplay, quick trip to the gynaecologist and bobs your aunty. It works like that in polski land, does it?
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Ksysia:
My experience is that they are good and they are available in Poland


Don't you have to be referred to a specialist by a GP in Poland before being able to visit one?
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But they have shmishmorshions so we're even..
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convex:
Don't you have to be referred to a specialist by a GP in Poland before being able to visit one?


no, you book your visit in a practice, saying: I want a gynaecologist, an optician and a nurse for my blood test, and you have three visits in the same hour. Unless you go somewhere deadly crowded, but my town in Poland is small.

What are shmishmorshions?
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convex:
Don't you have to be referred to a specialist by a GP in Poland before being able to visit one?


No, and many Poles have problems in the UK understanding why the system doesn't let you see specialists without referral. It's even worse with pregnancies - they simply cannot get it into their heads that a qualified midwife is more than capable - because she doesn't have papers saying that she's a doctor, therefore she cannot be any good.

It's partially this obsession with specialists that causes the NFZ to struggle - they would go a *long* way by requiring GP's to do their jobs properly. It's even normal here for GP's to simply refer you straight away to a specialist rather than trying to at least try a diagnosis themselves.
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delphiandomine:
It's partially this obsession with specialists that causes the NFZ to struggle - they would go a *long* way by requiring GP's to do their jobs properly. It's even normal here for GP's to simply refer you straight away to a specialist rather than trying to at least try a diagnosis themselves.

It's called lazy healthcare. Being paid to do as little as you can and to pass the buck. Something I've had first hand experience with in Poland. The amount of times people get shunted from one place to another is unbelievable. Last time I had to basically diagnose myself just to get an x-ray to pop my own jaw back into place! All because the right specialist wasn't working on that day. Crazy in my opinion.
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Ksysia:
and guys are missing out on a good occasion to show care and maturity, and hold your hand before your first pelvic.


That's some first date. Call me old fashioned but i prefer a pub or cinema.
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Ksysia:
You can't legally get a smear before you're 25.

This statement is untrue and potentially damaging.
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szkotja2007:

This statement is untrue and potentially damaging.

Not really, In June 2009 the Advisory Committee on Cervical Screening reviewed the policy of starting screening at age 25 and agreed unanimously there should be no change in the current policy.

[url=http://www.cancerscreening.nhs.uk/cervical/][/url]

Although If the patient experiences bleeding or bleeding after sex, they should consult their doctor. Checking for Cervical Cancer is very difficult before the age of 25 because changes in the Cervex are normal.
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I find it reasonable to get your Polka run a test for chlamydia and gonorrhea before you start sth with her.
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dtaylor5632:
Not really,

In Ireland, Scotland and Wales the screening programme starts at 20.
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dtaylor5632:
Not really, In June 2009 the Advisory Committee on Cervical Screening reviewed the policy of starting screening at age 25 and agreed unanimously there should be no change in the current policy.


Stupid question from the audience, why is there an age limit?
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Ah yes, but I thought she was referring to Engerland.

convex:


Stupid question from the audience, why is there an age limit?

Basically because not enough research has been done to prove that it is too difficult to detect problems in age groups under 25 because the cervex is still changing. The rest of the UK, Scotland, Wales and Ireland are waiting on further research before they make ammendments. England has chosen to stay at 25-65(If I remember right) as they are sticking to their origanal research on the fact it's largely impossible to detect cervical cancer before the age of 25.
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dtaylor5632:
Engerland
unfortunately has about 4000 young women a year who develop precancerous or cancerous cells under the age of 25.

dtaylor5632:
The rest of the UK,
has decided that the extra cost of screening this age group is worth it.

England seems to have the "Philip Morris" view on cancer research.
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king polkacanon:
I find it reasonable to get your Polka run a test for chlamydia and gonorrhea before you start sth with her.


But since you are virgo intacta the woman at least doesn't need to worry.
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king polkacanon:
I find it reasonable to get your Polka run a test for chlamydia and gonorrhea before you start sth with her.



yes, she might have slept with an Islander already or sat on a pub toilet, without realising the risk.
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delphiandomine:
No, and many Poles have problems in the UK understanding why the system doesn't let you see specialists without referral. It's even worse with pregnancies - they simply cannot get it into their heads that a qualified midwife is more than capable - because she doesn't have papers saying that she's a doctor, therefore she cannot be any good.


You know, that's why a doctor is a doctor - he is more qualified! If a midwife is just as good, why didn't she study to become a doctor?


It's partially this obsession with specialists that causes the NFZ to struggle - they would go a *long* way by requiring GP's to do their jobs properly. It's even normal here for GP's to simply refer you straight away to a specialist rather than trying to at least try a diagnosis themselves.

They can do much more harm by "trying to diagnose it themselves". If it''s something potentially serious it should be seen by a specialist.

As for not getting smears under the age of 25, I think it's a total disgrace. You'd do better spending money on the smears for young women, than on free contraception for teenage girls that can't stop themselves from jumping into bed with anyone.
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Ksysia:
or sat on a pub toilet,


At least the UK has pub toilets, not just one tiny loo (locked, key behind the bar and cleaned once a week) like in Poland.
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jonni:
At least the UK has pub toilets, not just one tiny loo (locked, key behind the bar and cleaned once a week) like in Poland.


Or like what happened here in a pub : they ran out of water in the toilet!

That was a first...
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delphiandomine:
At least the UK has pub toilets,

since when ?
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Ironside:
since when ?


The Nineteenth Century.
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jonni:
The Nineteenth Century.

thanks
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Ksysia:
yes, she might have slept with an Islander already or sat on a pub toilet, without realising the risk.


Women always can claim this alternative route of transmission what is an excuse for us men?Some air drops from the next p1sser?
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jonni:
At least the UK has pub toilets, not just one tiny loo (locked, key behind the bar and cleaned once a week) like in Poland.


You must have visited really weird pubs...
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Polish toilets are for sex only.
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