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Monia  Apr 30, 11, 10:44    #91
Krynski:
However the Polonophobia in a given country seems to start with the media hate-propaganda.


http://www.ashgate.com/pdf/SamplePages/Polish_Migration_to_the_UK_in_t he_New_European_Union_Intro.pdf

For example, in February 2008 the FPGB claimed that the Daily Mail’ paragraphs contain emotional phrases likely to evolve a resentful response from a reader and the Mail has managed consistently to eke out the negative story where possible. We even have an example earlier this
month where a Daily Mail feature writer was offering £100 ‘for anonymous
horror stories of people who have employed Eastern European staff, only for
them to steal from them, disappear, or have lied about their resident status’.

Coupled with other press coverage which notes the hostility directed at new East
European migrants, these issues raise important questions about how well received this new migration has really been. The presumed cultural capital that comes with being white and Christian has not prevented discrimination and exploitation – indeed, the work of US ethnic historians should remind us that ‘whiteness’ is a mutable category, and that newcomers, regardless of their physical colour, are notusually readily accepted as ‘white’, and all that this label entails (see Ignatieve 1995; Roediger 2005)

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After becoming acquainted with such policy ( just one example ) , carried out by the UK press I don`t wonder why an average person has got so much hostility towards Polish nation , including some PF posters .

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 Apr 30, 11, 11:44    #92
Monia:
a Daily Mail feature writer was offering £100 ‘for anonymous
horror stories of people who have employed Eastern European staff, only for
them to steal from them, disappear, or have lied about their resident status’.

It's the Mail, they do shiit like that. I was once contacted by a Mail features writer who wanted to prove that Poles could drive to UK, get lots of speeding tickets, not pay them and suffer no ill effects. To prove that she wanted to pay a Pole to go to the UK and commit the crimes in question. However the tables were turned on her and the story about how a Mail journalist commissioned crime was published in a national magazine.
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 May 1, 11, 00:57    #93
Monia:
. The presumed cultural capital that comes with being white and Christian has not prevented discrimination and exploitation

Wow,talk about a backward,bigoted view of the world this implies. Did Poles really come to the UK thinking themselves superior beings just down to being white and Christian? Surely not,even though from some posters here I could believe it I cant really believe that most of you were that arrogant and rascist. This implies you expected to get to the front of some imagined que ,ahead of unworthy non whites,even if those non whites are fourth generation Brits..tsk tsk.
Monia  May 1, 11, 09:53    #94
English newspapers and some British are bigoted and backward spreading false , unverified informations about other European people describing them as having strange customs .

isthatu2:
I cant really believe that most of you were that arrogant and rascist.


Who is talking that , a member of the most bigoted nation in the world .
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 May 1, 11, 10:02    #95
Just in yyy.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13251614
change the yyy to www

The National Institute for Economic and Social Research says 700,000 people moved to the UK after their former communist homelands joined the EU.

It believes they drove up British GDP by 0.38% in the years to 2009, the equivalent of £4.91bn.

The report says countries which imposed restrictions on eastern workers saw growth reduced because of this.

Only the UK, Ireland and Sweden allowed free access from the start to workers from the eight 2004 accession countries, which included Poland, Latvia and Hungary.

The last EU members to keep restrictions - Germany and Austria - lift them on Sunday.
Monia  May 1, 11, 10:22    #96
You see how bigoted they are .Now, according to them the crisis in UK is created by Polish . What a lousy approach to inform people that their problems are not their own fault but a foult of some other nation . If Polish people didn`t work as low- wage labour it would look even worse .
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 May 1, 11, 10:39    #97
The colored immigrants are responsible in a large degree for the crisis but noone will admit that because they cover other incompetencies.
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 May 1, 11, 10:42    #98
yeah because all the coloured inmigrants work in the financial sector which caused the crisis hahaha f*cking ignorant
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Edited by: southern  May 1, 11, 11:08    #99
mvefa:
in the financial sector which caused the crisis hahaha f*cking ignorant



Financial sector is the reflection.The problem is real.But it is unavoidable because the third worldlers exist and multiply in great numbers so they are the workforce.They are the leaflet used by middle class to cover its deficiencies.
Since work produced by badly supervised third worldlers tends to be of considerably lower quality the quality of goods sinks and the crisis(that is the whole income as measure of production) comes.The financial sector is driven by the false speculation that the quality of goods will continue to show the same improvement over a magnitude of years which is no longer the case since the people who actually produce the goods have been replaced by other people(colored) with different capabilities.
The failure to admit the problem(because it cannot be confessed) will probably introduce a law of the steady decline I don't know how they will call it for them it will remain a mystery an a priori principle.
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 May 1, 11, 12:09    #100
isthatu2:
Did Poles really come to the UK thinking themselves superior beings just down to being white and Christian?

Some of them very clearly did.

Monia:
English newspapers and some British are bigoted and backward spreading false , unverified informations about other European people describing them as having strange customs .

In exactly the same way as Polish newspapers and some Poles are bigoted and backwards and spread false information about other European people.

Monia:
Now, according to them the crisis in UK is created by Polish .

Could you perhaps quote British people claiming that? Or are you just telling yet more of your lies?

Monia:
You see how bigoted they are .

Can you link me to a news article about clubs and restaurants in a major British city having a policy in place of banning Poles? I can certainly link to articles about clubs and restaurants in a major Polish city having a policy in place of banning Roma. Perhaps Poles should focus first on removing discrimination in their own country before they whine about being discriminated against in other countries. Ones gets what one gives.
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 May 1, 11, 12:20    #101
Monia:
according to them the crisis in UK is created by Polish . What a lousy approach to inform people that their problems are not their own fault but a foult of some other nation .

That is probably just an example. They picked randomly Poles, but in total of course the foreigners are guilty, for whatever. That is in sink with the new strategy declaring the mulicultural society failed like Cam announced.
It is maybe just propaganda, but has its effects.

Harry:
In exactly the same way as Polish newspapers and some Poles are bigoted and backwards and spread false information about other European people.

Hardly if you are in an inferior position like Poles in comparison to UK.

southern:
The colored immigrants are responsible in a large degree for the crisis but noone will admit that because they cover other incompetencies.

Besides the 'color', probably true.

mvefa:
yeah because all the coloured inmigrants work in the financial sector which caused the crisis hahaha f*cking ignorant

Maybe 1/1000 of them what would mean a big success. The rest is low ranking work labor; resaturants, hotels, cleaning/housekeeping etc.
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 May 1, 11, 12:22    #102
sascha:
Hardly if you are in an inferior position like Poles in comparison to UK.

Who says that Poles are inferior to people from the UK? I certainly don't say that and would not agree with anybody who did say it.
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 May 1, 11, 12:25    #103
Harry:
Who says that Poles are inferior to people from the UK?

Try to put my comment on a more abstract level. I know that you can do it. ;)

On a human level I completely agree with you, but that was not the point. Think. ;)
Monia  May 1, 11, 13:26    #104
Harry:
n exactly the same way as Polish newspapers and some Poles are bigoted and backwards and spread false information about other European people.


You quote an example !

Once in a while you could be a truthful person , you are still living in Poland , claiming you like Poland , but you are never objective in your statements .
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Edited by: southern  May 1, 11, 13:29    #105
Poles are huge contributing factor in the workforce.People do not like them that much because they don't spend.Unlike the Russian oligarchs who have swarm London with russian money and thus make Russians enjoy quite a reputation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13251614
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 May 1, 11, 13:47    #106
Some are a success and some aren't. As a whole, immigration has benefitted the UK given the number of odd jobs that have been effectively done. Poles and Baltic folk have really laboured. Chav culture got a wake up and about time too. Quite a few parts of Britain are cesspits of lethargic and useless types that give nothing to anything.
Monia  May 1, 11, 13:47    #107
southern:
they don't spend.Unlike the Russian oligarchs who have swarm London with russian money and thus make Russians enjoy quite a reputation.



That`s somehow true ,working Polish people in UK tend to save their money , invest in properties ( mainly in Poland ) . The surge of money from Poilsh workers to Poland was incredible and it might awaken quite widespread resentment among British people . They might prefer to keep money within UK but it is always the same with immigrants , they always come back to their mother`s land . But for some time UK could build its economy based on cheap labour , on the other hand . Both sides should be happy :)
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 May 1, 11, 13:49    #108
Monia:
hey might prefer to keep money within UK but it is always the same with immigrants , they always come back to their mother`s land .


Not Russians,Greeks etc.Here for example they largely prefer to keep the money abroad.
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 May 1, 11, 13:51    #109
They are free to dispose of their money as they wish. The crucial aspect is the work done in their respective industry.
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 May 1, 11, 13:55    #110
Monia:
You quote an example !

No problem:
Prosecutors in the western city of Poznan have opened an investigation into allegations that the Roma minority are being banned from local pubs on racial grounds.

(source).

Care for more? I've got plenty.

Monia:
Once in a while you could be a truthful person , you are still living in Poland , claiming you like Poland , but you are never objective in your statements .

I'm actually truthful all of the time here. The lies come from you, dear lady.
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 May 1, 11, 13:55    #111
Poles are excellent workers.The work done by a Pole is magnitudes of higher quality than the work done by an Albanian for example or a Greek.Polish plumbers,carpenters etc are sought after(at least they were before the crisis halted the construction activity).
Even drunk Poles tend to work rather good.
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 May 1, 11, 13:58    #112
Some are and some aren't, southern. Their main asset is their zawodowe schooling.
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 May 1, 11, 14:00    #113
Seanus:
Their main asset is their zawodowe schooling.


Yes,I have noticed that slavic women expect you to be able to make all the repairs at the house.
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 May 1, 11, 14:03    #114
Really? Not my one :) :)

Some say that immigration has placed a considerable strain on resources but that doesn't detract from successes. There are many jobs in Job Centres across the country that British workers didn't want to do. The Poles graciously accepted and they started earning, rather than some Brit at home soaking up the benefits of the nanny state.
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 May 1, 11, 14:43    #115
Seanus:
The Poles graciously accepted and they started earning,


Yes,the Poles work hard in jobs the natives despise.In some cases they undercut the salaries but generally they are productive.I have never seen any Russians working in low menial jobs.I have never seen Slavs selling naroctics while Blacks and some pakis are handy.The degree of stealing by Albanians is unparalleled and I have no idea what occupation the Arabs have.
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 May 1, 11, 14:48    #116
Seanus:
The Poles graciously accepted and they started earning

southern:
Yes,the Poles work hard in jobs the natives despise

Poles who come to America expect they'll earn much more than is the reality and think they wont have to work as hard. For some it's a shock and they go back, or they accept it work and in a few years start their own little businesses.
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 May 1, 11, 14:52    #117
Generally I noticed that Americans work longer hours than Europeans but not as tense.
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 May 1, 11, 14:59    #118
southern:
Generally I noticed that Americans work longer hours than Europeans but not as tense

True i work Monday to Friday (i don't believe in weekend work Americanized i guess lol) yet it's still 45 hours a week. Poles who just come over like my cousin work 60+ hours, that's just insane you're at work most the time or sleeping, that's ur life. I heard in France it's 35 hours per week, that's perfect 7 hours a day you have plenty of time left to do other things.
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 May 1, 11, 18:43    #119
southern:
Generally I noticed that Americans work longer hours than Europeans but not as tense.

That US company I worked for i visited their headquarters in US and it was like of the actual presence at work we had more than 50% meetings, talking and talking, but the productivety was close to zero.
I mean, all those managers have to justified. ;)


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