JAKUB TOMCZAK - guilty? (updated Dec 2010)

asikThreads: 2 Posts: 547 Joined: Feb 17, 09 ♀	Apr 9, 10, 17:41 #541
\ MareGaea: (asking me not to reply is like putting the door open wide) could you tomorrow "close the door" ? I'm going to sleep now:) G'night

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂	Apr 9, 10, 17:43 #542
Nightynight. >^..^< M-G (don't dream of Jakub though)

asikThreads: 2 Posts: 547 Joined: Feb 17, 09 ♀	Apr 9, 10, 17:45 #543
Stu: My wife says so when I am being kinky in bed, but I never heard someone else saying it to m nearly discovered by ...?? :) See U later!

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Apr 9, 10, 17:50 #544
Harry: Tomczak's DNA was not found on the victim's clothes or purse: which means he didn't cum on her clothes or her purse, only in her vagina. I'm not taking anyone's side here. Just adding because it seems you didn't know that DNA can be found also in sweat, saliva, blood, tears, urine, feces.. Sweat and saliva are rarely used because of the small number of cells that you can find.

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Apr 12, 10, 01:54 #545

Hi all,

It seems that posters are relying on media recital re the intricacies of the case. Here in Australia, unless there is a court order to the contrary, people are usually able to view the court transcript of the judgment and sometimes the actual trial sitting. These can be gleaned through the court's website or most often, by ordering a transcript through the court which heard the matter. I'm unfamiliar with UK procedure, but perhaps the same rules apply?

If so, then maybe someone on the forum who lives near the court can go to the registry and request a copy of whatever transcript is available for the public (there's usually a copying fee). If the trial transcript is available, then this will set out word for word what was said during the trial in its entirety. The transcipt of the judgment, whilst less useful, is usually the judge summing up the salient evidence and reasons why the defendant was sentenced to whatever sentence was handed down.

Alternatively, here in Oz we have a government sponsored website called "Austlii" which has a record of judgments and cases available to the general public, with same being accessible through that website for free. Maybe the UK has the same thing?

musicwriterThreads: 7 Posts: 110 Joined: Jan 7, 10 ♂	Apr 12, 10, 04:09 #546
Eurola: fried Fried? Perhaps you meant fired.

EurolaThreads: 6 Posts: 2,647 Joined: Dec 2, 06 ♀	Apr 12, 10, 04:31 #547
Nope. I meant fried. Executed, y'know. ( in way - fired from life.)

db1874Threads: 10 Posts: 251 Joined: Jun 28, 07 ♂	Apr 20, 10, 14:26 #548
the victim of this crime has died - source

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Apr 20, 10, 18:15 #549
What a shady git he is, giving a sample to make it look like he is clearing his name and that the authorities have a grudge against him for matching them together. A Never Wrong is actually wrong for once ;) ;)

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Apr 21, 10, 00:22 #550

Ozi Dan:

It seems that posters are relying on media

Well I for one was not relying on the media coverage of this case, I knew nothing about until I read it on this thread. Rapes are not uncommon in the UK, but my understanding is that all samples are taken from the victim as soon as possible. In this lady's case after she was stabilised at the hospital. Which rules out the police planting DNA evidence, inside the victims body before they had appended the accused. I feel for victim and her family, and the accuses family, who have to live with this shame for the rest of their lives.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,767 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 00:39 #551
db1874: the victim of this crime has died - source Poor woman. Hopefully, she has now found peace. Hell isnt hot nor torrid enough for rapist scum.

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,861 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Edited by: f stop Apr 21, 10, 00:51 #552
I just read this, and I have one question: why would he voluntarily give his DNA sample? Is he a half-wit?

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Apr 21, 10, 01:12 #553

db1874:

the victim of this crime has died

RIP. I only hope this lady finds in her passing the solace and comfort that eluded her in life.

guzzler:

Well I for one was not relying on the media coverage of this case

Sorry if I generalised. I should have said it appeared that some posters relied on media coverage.

Seanus:

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Hi Seanus. I understand you're a former law student. Can you let us know of the UK website where legislation and case law is downloadable? I'd like to track this case down but can't find it on Google. I'm now curious about this matter. Thanks.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,767 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 01:26 #554
Ozi Dan: Hi Seanus. I understand you're a former law student. Can you let us know of the UK website where legislation and case law is downloadable? I'd like to track this case down but can't find it on Google. I'm now curious about this matter. Thanks. http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/

Ozi DanThreads: 22 Posts: 552 Joined: Nov 22, 07 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 01:38 #555
RevokeNice: http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/ Thanks mate. Had a look at this site but it appears to only have links to statutes, which are the written law. What I was after was a site that sets out court cases, transcipts of trials and so on. Can you track that down? Cheers.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Harry Apr 21, 10, 03:22 #556
f stop: Is he a half-wit? No, he's a never-wrong and this is nothing more than a Jewish-British plot to make Poles look bad. Everybody knows she would have fcuked him if he'd told her to: British girls are all sluts and Polish guys are Gods amongst men.

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Apr 21, 10, 03:29 #557

f stop:

why would he voluntarily give his DNA sample?

It's a catch-22. If he wouldn't have given his DNA, it would be the same as a confession, somehow for some stupid reason he perhaps thought it would get lost along the way. But it has proven conclusively that he was the one who did the deed and he should indeed rot in jail for the rest of his life.

>^..^<

M-G (Jakub doesn't look like he got much female attention anyway)

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,861 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Edited by: f stop Apr 21, 10, 03:29 #558
Harry: Sarcasm. I can appreciate it. New Yorkers do it best - where did you acquire yours?

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Apr 21, 10, 03:36 #559
f stop: New Yorkers do it best - where did you acquire yours? While butt-fcuking pawel rapist scum after I got fitted up on that charge of calling half-Polish half-Greek people 'greasy kebab-boys'.

RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,767 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Apr 21, 10, 05:39 #560
Harry: While butt-fcuking pawel rapist scum after I got fitted up on that charge of calling half-Polish half-Greek people 'greasy kebab-boys'. Hahahaha. Tell me, when are you entering my great nation? Your words were saved thanks to the screenshot option.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	May 22, 10, 20:43 #561
Here's the site launched by his family and friends: http://www.dlaczegojakub.com/?page_id=30 They explain there what doubts they have on the investigation and why they believe that he is not guilty. Mind that dna tests arent always accurate because it is easy to dirty the sample.

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂	Edited by: MareGaea May 23, 10, 07:51 #562
zetigrek: why they believe that he is not guilty Have you ever heard of an inmate who didn't claim he was framed or who's familiy didn't believe he was innocent? Edit: the link to the English section does not work. >^..^< M-G (dirty the DNA sample? Come on!)

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Edited by: Moderator May 23, 10, 21:01 #563

its on the buttom of the site.

I dont have time to reading english version so i'm not sure is there everything i've read in polish.
I think these are seriouse doubtness if the man on the camera was looking different and have different clothes and the investigators didnt want to interview Jakub's friends who were with him that night... It might be his not guilty. What if?

Please, read the Forum Rules with regard to copy/paste
Thank you.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Edited by: zetigrek May 23, 10, 21:05 #564
M-G (dirty the DNA sample? Come on!) They take dna from Jakub twice as the first analize was blotched. You never know what might happened. I always try not to judge ppl...

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂	Edited by: MareGaea May 23, 10, 21:07 #565
They found sperm of the guy in/on the woman...Sperm that contained his DNA, how much more proof does one need? If it matches, it matches. Or do they think he was framed? That is really too far sought to think of. I think the British system is pretty fair and does not fiddle with things like this. >^..^< M-G (bored)

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂	May 23, 10, 21:37 #566
espana: come on the guy is guilty Of course he is. Problem with a lot of Polish ppl is those darn conspiracy theories. Everything that happens has a "hidden" layer that usually is intended to bring one or more Pole(s) down. I just wished they would get over that, so we could have decent discussions here. >^..^< M-G (tiens)

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Edited by: Moderator May 23, 10, 23:28 #567
MareGaea: Of course he is. Problem with a lot of Polish ppl is those darn conspiracy theories. Everything that happens has a "hidden" layer that usually is intended to bring one or more Pole(s) down. You're wrong here. Polish public opinion also made judgment: guilty!

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂	May 23, 10, 23:37 #568
zetigrek: You're wrong here. Polish public opinion also made judgment: guilty! Well, then I agree with the Polish public opinion. >^..^< M-G (face it, the evidence is too overwhelming and why would anyone want to protect a rapist?)

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Edited by: zetigrek May 23, 10, 23:44 #569

In the polish version of the article is something like that:
W lutym tego roku brytyjskie Ministerstwo Spraw Wewnętrznych przyznało, że ponad dwa tysiące spraw musi zostać ponownie rozpatrzonych z powodu karygodnych błędów w badaniach DNA.

(In Feb of this year, British Home Office has acknowledged that over 2 000 cases have to be investigate again due to reprehensible mistakes in DNA tests)

Well if the monitoring shows a completely different looking and diffrent way clothesed man. If the ppl who seen him before and after the alledged crime says that there were no evidence of any stragle or fight in his appearance... and no one want to take it under consideration (the ppl who saw Jakub that night werent interviewed), well the doubts are excused. So please dont call me a conspiracy theory freak. I dont say he didnt do it, I just say he might not done it.

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May 24, 10, 00:24 #570

MareGaea:

I think the British system is pretty fair and does not fiddle with things like this.

Usually where foreginers are concerned, the system is quite watertight because the establishment doesn't want to be accused of racism. I believe Harry also pointed out that at no point did Kuba the rapist deny the fact that his semen was found inside the woman.

MareGaea:

Everything that happens has a "hidden" layer that usually is intended to bring one or more Pole(s) down. I just wished they would get over that, so we could have decent discussions here.

That's what drives me mad, too. He's clearly guilty, he's just using the old "waa evil foreign criminal justice system" nonsense to elicit sympathy. No different to how British (and I assume Dutch, just as well?) idiots get caught smuggling drugs in Asia and then try and pretend that they were framed.

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