London, has been and is the geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death

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Edited by: warszawski Sep 1, 10, 23:36 #1

A leading adviser to the Archbishop of Westminster has blamed abortion and gay rights for turning Britain into a "selfish, hedonistic wasteland" which has become "the geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/senior-catholic-edmund- adamus-blames-uks-moral-wasteland-on-equal-rights-2067112.html

More comments from the church, ahead of the Popes visit to the UK. What is your opinion will Pope Benedict be received well in the UK, or will the media step up gear into overdrive, driven by all the politically correct and gay journalists out for revenge.

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,349 Joined: Feb 20, 07 ♂	Sep 1, 10, 23:42 #2
warszawski: the geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death The nature of that quote leads me to believe whoever coined it is off their trolley. Pretentious waffle.

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Sep 1, 10, 23:50 #3

Edmund Adamus, director of pastoral affairs at the diocese of Westminster and an adviser to Archbishop Vincent Nichols, said Parliament had turned Britain into a country which is more culturally anti-Catholic than nations where Christians are violently persecuted such as Saudi Arabia, China and Pakistan.

pmsl!!! What is that idiot on?

Our laws and lawmakers for over 50 years have been the most permissively anti-life and progressively anti-family and marriagej

The reason I'm no longer married is nothing to do with the law, and I can't think of anyone who wants divorce to be made illegal in the UK. It's hardly my fault that no-one I meet wants to marry.

But then again, even if by some miracle I did meet someone who does want to marry, why should I risk losing everything a second time, just to please some ex-Hitler Youth member? Forget it!

And, in case you hadn't noticed, gays are well on the way to being able to marry in the UK, so you can't really say that the UK is anti-marriage. I'm all for letting gays experience the hell of divorce, why should only us straight people have to suffer ;)

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Sep 1, 10, 23:54 #4
warszawski: will Pope Benedict be received well in the UK Probably yes, though the multiple revelations of unchecked, concealed and condoned child-abuse has left a nasty taste in peoples' mouths and Britain (especially England) has never really had much time or patience for fundamentalist absolutist religious groups.

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Sep 2, 10, 00:01 #5

szarlotka:

The nature of that quote leads me to believe whoever coined it is off their trolley. Pretentious waffle.

Mr Adamus's comments, however, drew widespread criticism from gay rights groups and secularists. Peter Tatchell, a leading figure behind the Protest the Pope coalition, said: "The suggestion that gay equality laws make Britain a moral wasteland is insulting but not unexpected. The Pope supports legal discrimination against gay people. He says we are not entitled to equal human rights.

NorthMancPolak:

And, in case you hadn't noticed, gays are well on the way to being able to marry in the UK, so you can't really say that the UK is anti-marriage. I'm all for letting gays experience the hell of divorce, why should only us straight people have to suffer ;)

Peter Tatchil is one irritating r-sole.He is really having a field day winding up the press,with his anti catholic/church comments. You can change laws in favor of civil marriages for gays, but it will take a long time for some ppl to fully accept it, and that is their right,we live in a democracy. One hand washes the other.

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Edited by: jonni Sep 2, 10, 00:05 #6

warszawski:

Peter Tatchil is one irritating r-sole.He is really having a field day winding up the press,with his anti catholic/church comments. You can change laws in favor of civil marriages for gays, but it will take a long time for some ppl to fully accept it

And if it weren't for irritating people like Peter Tatchell, laws would never change at all. Since this thread concerns the Christian religion in one of its many forms, you should take great care to remember that there were plenty of people who would have described its founder as

one irritating r-sole

.

Or would you prefer the UK to be a larger version of the Vatican, with society moulded and controlled according to the whim of the Roman Catholic Church?

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Sep 2, 10, 00:25 #7

warszawski:

What is your opinion will Pope Benedict be received well in the UK,

Yes he will be received well..last time the Pope was here there were 1,000s packed in the park close to where I live..

Regardless of what some think, the Pope is still very respected.

jonni:

especially England) has never really had much time or patience for fundamentalist absolutist religious groups

Hmmmm....Thats not quite true is it Jonni...Im not going to get into it with you, but I think you're wrong to say that - the Catholic Church in England is still quite strong. regardless of the fact that a few perverts messed with kids, doesnt mean all priests are bad..I a couple of mates a school who were alterboys and and neither got messed with...My dad was an alterboy too and as far I know he didnt get messed with either..

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Sep 2, 10, 00:29 #8

jonni:

And if it weren't for irritating people like Peter Tatchell, laws would never change at all. Since this thread concerns the Christian religion in one of its many forms, you should take great care to remember that there were plenty of people who would have described its founder as one irritating r-sole'Or would you prefer the UK to be a larger version of the Vatican, with society moulded and controlled according to the whim of the Roman Catholic Church?

As far as PT is concerned, I admire his tenacity, especially when met Nick Griffin:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10729194

As PT has used the phrase- From many small streams, a mighty river flows. We are the small streams that can make a mighty river for human freedom.

How many streams can you become at the same. It is better to focus in one area and remain strong. Well Jonni, the founder of religion is god and I would not consider it, or you could be offending many followers of different faiths, and all have a right, whatever their belief.

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: jonni Sep 2, 10, 00:37 #9
warszawski: Well Jonni, the founder of religion is god and I would not consider it, Yes. Remember though that for Catholics and other trinitarian Christians, Jesus of Nazareth is in every sense God. And as history (and the bible) tell us, he certainly knew how to rub people up the wrong way.

warszawskiThreads: 60 Posts: 2,388 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Sep 2, 10, 00:57 #10
jonni: Yes. Remember though that for Catholics and other trinitarian Christians, Jesus of Nazareth is in every sense God. And as history (and the bible) tell us, he certainly knew how to rub people up the wrong way. Of course Jesus could not have been a pushover and this is the teaching of the catholic church. Jesus was the shepherd, and to be a shepherd requires a fearless person of strength.

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Edited by: MareGaea Sep 2, 10, 01:10 #11

warszawski:

A leading adviser to the Archbishop of Westminster has blamed abortion and gay rights for turning Britain into a "selfish, hedonistic wasteland" which has become "the geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death".

Well, if it's coming from this corner, it's usually expected and not to be taken seriously.

warszawski:

politically correct

This argument is so often used by reactionists. But maybe pp just don't like it? You know, I always feel that all those reactionists tend to discard any critisism to be "Political Correct" as being not what they really feel, just what they have been told to think. Which is of course derogative towards ppl who have other views, which in turn leads to that everlasting nonsense that reactionists are always right and the others only disagree because they are told to do so. But maybe ppl are smart enough to think for themselves (and usually ppl who are being called pc are smarter than the ones who call them pc) and maybe they have reached their own conclusion and simply don't like this nonsense?

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)

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Edited by: jonni Sep 2, 10, 01:11 #12

warszawski:

Jesus was the shepherd

According to their imagery, yes.

warszawski:

and to be a shepherd requires a fearless person of strength.

That much, we don't know. We do however know that he was an extreme radical, flouting the conventions of society and hated by conservatives. A bit like Peter Tatchell.

In saying "let anyone who is without sin cast the first stone", he would have offended certain of the posters here, that are quick to condemn the morality of others.

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂	Sep 2, 10, 01:18 #13
jonni: According to their imagery, yes Well, it must astound all of them that Jesus was a hippie too :) >^..^< M-G (tiens)

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Sep 2, 10, 03:14 #14

jonni:

That much, we don't know

You could ask any sheep rearing farmer.

MareGaea:

But maybe ppl are smart enough to think for themselves (and usually ppl who are being called pc are smarter than the ones who call them pc) and maybe they have reached their own conclusion and simply don't like this nonsense?

Political correctness is hurting us today in ways that many people aren't aware of, and most people don't fully understand. For many years now it seems as though we've been stuck in a repetitive cycle of crawling out of one mess only to fall into another one. Instead of making an honest attempt to solve our problems we get to watch the spectacle of one party pointing their fingers and blaming the other, in Poland PIS point their fingers and blame PO or vice-versa

Political correctness reminds me strongly of "Newspeak” in Orwells 1984. The meanings for many words have changed, because of political correctness. Many subjects have been removed from discussion and debate; they're simply off limits because they're politically incorrect. The term "politically correct" came into being under the old Bolsheviks/Communists. In many ways it could be seen as an attempt to alter and control our very thoughts through language. In the Soviet Union under Stalin, being politically incorrect was likely to cause a trip to the gulag, at best, or an execution.

Mark twain once said, "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it."

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Sep 2, 10, 04:20 #15

warszawski:

You could ask any sheep rearing farmer.

Been there, done that. Boring work. A lot about getting up early and fixing fences.

warszawski:

Political correctness

An odd expression, popular with people of low intelligence - can you define it?

warszawski:

The meanings for many words have changed, because of political correctness.

Perhaps you mean inclusivity? Though you make a sweeping statement without giving any examples, so it is impossible to figure out the point you're trying to make.

warszawski:

Many subjects have been removed from discussion and debate; they're simply off limits because they're politically incorrect.

Such as?

warszawski:

In many ways it could be seen as an attempt to alter and control our very thoughts through language.

If by

Political correctness

you mean inclusive language, then the point of it is about not demeaning somebody by ones choice of words. Your phrase

attempt to alter and control our very thoughts

seems extreme and makes no sense - perhaps you can expand on your idea.

You seem to be confusing inoffensive use of language with some undefined threat that you don't explain and the excesses of the Soviet Union!

warszawski:

Mark twain once said, "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it."

I sincerely hope the former is true, however experience shows that the human race is just too chaotic to achieve more than the latter. ;-)

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Sep 2, 10, 13:05 #16

warszawski:

and most people don't fully understand

And it's those ppl who use the term the most.

jonni:

the human race is just too chaotic

But then again, why would we take some backward thinking ppl completely out of touch with reality and contemporary society, serious when once again criticizing the freedoms we have and want to replace it with sth that equals the opposite of freedom? I don't know if we're waiting for a group of ppl who want to turn the clock 500 years back and lead us back into oblivion again, like they have done for thousands of years, so they can make money out of us again, like leeches?

If this is Church-bashing, so be it. They should just simply shut up about other ppl's business and stick to their own. And as long as they stick to their own business and don't bother others with retarded views, I will respect them, as long as they don't, I won't respect them.

>^..^<

M-G (Stephen Hawking: God did not create the universe)

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Sep 3, 10, 23:40 #17

jonni:

seems extreme and makes no sense - perhaps you can expand on your idea.

You seem to be confusin

Jonni, Please find the following,it is a cut and paste job, so I will not take the credit in full, but time is not on my side and it is explained well.

In the early 20th century Marxism seemed like a good idea to many of the poor and downtrodden the world over. It hadn’t yet resulted in the untimely deaths of more people than all the wars of the 20th century combined.

Even so, radicals then were as annoying and crazed as radicals now. So the people weren’t universally jumping on their bandwagon. The Marxists couldn’t flip governments without the masses. So they worked on a system to undermine unity in society. The old adage “United we stand, divided we fall” was on their mind. They had to divide the people in order to tear society apart and remake it their way. Thus, political correctness was born – This documentary does an excellent job of telling its story,

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8630135369495797236#

PC is designed by German Marxists of the Frankfurt School to destroy Western culture.It should come as no surprise the the destruction of the family is one of its goals. And as it gained in prominence, its goals have been realized. The polarization of racial groups, and even of the sexes is another.
That’s plenty of reason to see it die a horrible death. Marxists have murdered many times more people than the Nazis. They have destroyed the livelihoods of people the world over and imprisoned many millions in gulags and work camps. The last thing we want to do is let them win here or anywhere else.
While it may seem communism is dead, communism, socialism, fascism are all part of a many, headed hydra called statism. These are political system’s which are all about empowering the state as much as possible. The name they go under now is “progressive.”
Many progressives on the ground think they are fighting for equal rights and social justice. The progressive elites know better. They want power and control over people’s lives. Political correctness is a tool to accomplish these goals.

It should come as no surprise that the oldest Marxist states threw off Marxism because it doesn’t work, and went with their own version of capitalism. Almost every single former Soviet state went gleefully to capitalism. Russia even has a flat tax. That’s a pretty sad comment on where we are right now when their tax system is simple and ours is a bureaucratic nightmare.
Political Correctness is hated by just about anyone you meet. The only people driving it are leftists and government bureaucrats, who earn a living from it. Pardon my redundancy.

Here are five good reasons Political Correctness must die.

1. It’s censorship: Point blank, that’s what it is. It’s used mainly by people on the left ,to attack people on the right, but not the other way around. When Miss California, Carrie Prejean, politely said she thought marriage should be between a man and a woman, the PC thugs proceeded to try to destroy her life. But when Obama said it he was elected president. It’s used to accuse people of racism even when there is no racism involved, It’s not only a scare tactic, but also a career-destroying move. And it’s a thuggish weapon of intimidation.
2. It’s bigotry disguised as manners: You may think all those touchy-feely names they come up with for various special interest groups are more sensitive and empowering than the “mean” names of the past, but most of them are patronizing and they segregating. When you separate people into classes, it’s creating a kind of caste system. History has shown us that caste systems are used to suppress and marginalize people by putting them in special groups. The insidious thing about PC is it claims to treat people better when it really does the opposite. It implies that people in these groups are somehow lesser and weaker and must be “protected”, presumably by the government, and then implies that they are not being treated well by other groups (namely white males) which is an inherently racist argument.

3. It’s an attempt at mind control: The goal of PC always has been to segregate people into classes, destroy the family by marginalizing and polarizing people from traditional values and culture. It also tries to rebrand things to force people to think along a different path. You might think that’s a good thing if it makes people more tolerant. While our culture is more tolerant than it was in the past there is no proof or evidence PC had anything to do with it. The fact is, lying to people (which PC does) and trying to destroy a culture by effectively brainwashing people is downright…

4. Evil: The textbook definition of evil is that which is willfully and maliciously harmful to others. What else do you call something that is used to commit so much harm against people and a society as a whole.It has become a rampant monster that destroys lives, careers, and society. It’s used by creepy selfish people to hurt other’
s. Race-baiters we all know and despise have been using PC for years to try to extort money from business and government by making up racist claims. That’s nothing but a form of extortion.

5. Why should we do what some faceless creeps tell us?: Most of the time we were told what the new term for something is. In the ’60s we were told Negro is not acceptable anymore. We should say black even though Negro is merely the Spanish word for black. Then in the ’70s we were told to use “Afro-American” then later “African-American” even though that term is not only a mouthful it makes no sense. A lot of black Americans are simply Americans, many others are from the Caribbean. Or they are mixed race like our president. Who makes up these lame terms and why should we start saying them? Because “we’re supposed to” isn’t a reason, that’s more of a threat. Who says we have to? Why shouldn’t we say steward or stewardess instead of flight attendant? Because “they” say so? Why should we take directions from faceless entities who tell us what we can say? Why can’t we say whatever we want? Most of the terms these people come up with are retarded mentally challenged. See, they hyphenate you to separate you from the rest of us, We’re all part of the same country, but they want to make you feel aggrieved. Angry and unhappy people are easier to sway with propaganda

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Sep 4, 10, 02:52 #18

warszawski:

A leading adviser to the Archbishop of Westminster has blamed abortion and gay rights for turning Britain into a "selfish, hedonistic wasteland" which has become "the geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death".

maybe so but not because of abortion etc.. i think the reason is more related to the "empire".. english through out the centuries really didn't give a damn about the lives of their subjects.. now, they are imploding.. karma perhaps?

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Edited by: Amathyst Sep 4, 10, 03:01 #19

plk123:

i think the reason is more related to the "empire"..

Dont think so, more to do with people abusing the ease of abortion here in the UK, plenty of Polish girls partaking in the free service.so dont give me the the "empire" bolluks! Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard (sorry sweetie but it really is)

Read a bit of history before laying blame at the feet of the British..read a bit about the French and the Spanish...I know ignorance is bliss - it enables us to blame without thought..there were more empire building at the time of the British...

I find this thread a phuckin joke!

We have been through this a million times...when will some of you stupid phuck wits get it through you phuckin stupid heads...abortion has been going on for centuries..it just now its clean and lives are not lost..

Would you men with your phucking primal instincs prefer women have a tube stuck up her with bicaronated soap the flush her out times back again???

You make me sick!

1. The pill fails.
2. Condoms fail
3. Do you consider the morning after a type of abortion?

Im not a feminist..but I do believe if a woman has the right if she has taken all precaution and she is not mentally ready..

The world would be empty if were up to men...when would you find time between footie and going to the pub?

Matt32Threads: 11 Posts: 193 Joined: Aug 30, 10 ♀	Sep 4, 10, 03:21 #20
There are going to the dogs that for sure but so is the world. English have this chip about being an empire and all, and they have a mock monarchy for tourists mostly. I don't think that London is geopolitical centre of anything except finances and they are fourth or fifth in the world ranking. They have this chip and they would like to be the geopolitical epicentre of anything really !

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Sep 4, 10, 03:32 #21

Matt32:

English have this chip about being an empire and all, and they have a mock monarchy for tourists mostly.

Said who? Some sad phucktard who isnt even English? I feel superior to you now because you have such a retarded attitude! Nothing more! Most English people know that tourist bring revenue..

Matt32:

I don't think that London is geopolitical centre of anything except finances

You forgot history..evidently you've never been or if you have, you only went to Camden market!

Matt32:

fourth or fifth in the world ranking

Im happy we're in the top 10 the world is a big place...where is your country?

Matt32:

They have this chip and they would like to be the geopolitical epicentre of anything really !

Oh dear, you mentioned the "chip" again, we dont have anything of the sort..We're above that sweetie, its the down trodden that have a chip on their shoulders not the leaders!

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Sep 4, 10, 03:46 #22

warszawski:

PC is designed by German Marxists of the Frankfurt School to destroy Western culture.

Lemme ask you a question: what if the general consensus, which you call PC, is simply correct? Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean that it's an incorrect view. After all, it's just your opinion.

This is the 21st century and there is absolutely no need nor desire nor request to turn the clock 100 or 200 years back and if you don't like it, perhaps you could go live in the Vatican. You can't stop progress anyway.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)

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Sep 4, 10, 03:48 #23

Good job warszawski. The PC is such a censorship in disguise. Yet the west embraced it. Why don't people see it? The first time they had the tape recording in the USA saying ' the conversation is recorded for training puroposes' (or something to that effect) it reminded me about 'rozmowa kontrolowana' (this conversation is listen to and controlled). The consumers said 'yeah, this is nice' without realizing how much it can change their life for ever. It would be nice if the society learned something from the experiences of others.

Matt32Threads: 11 Posts: 193 Joined: Aug 30, 10 ♀	Edited by: Matt32 Sep 4, 10, 03:48 #24
Amathyst: We're above that sweetie, I'm sorry for my bluntness! That is the way I see it. I'm sure English people are great - its not my thread anyway I've only responded to the topic- would you expect me to lie? I'm sorry ?

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Sep 4, 10, 04:01 #25

warszawski:

PC is designed by German Marxists of the Frankfurt School to destroy Western culture.I

no, it is not. Check you sources. It was first used in the US before communism was born.

Amathyst:

Im not a feminist..but I do believe if a woman has the right if she has taken all precaution and she is not mentally ready..

that makes you a feminist:)

MareGaea:

perhaps you could go live in the Vatican.

he would have to get divorced first:)

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Sep 4, 10, 04:05 #26

Eurola:

Good job warszawski. The PC is such a censorship in disguise.

And you have seen the light? Lemme take a guess: the world is much better off if we accept Jesus as our personal saviour and switch the clock 300 years back, sing halleluyah and go to Church 5 times a week and say our prayers 6 times a day?

PC is the general consensus. And the general consensus is usually right. Just because a few have different opinions, doesn't mean that these opinions are right. Good heavens! Do we over and over again have to defend our views against some ppl who want to turn the clock 300 years back? Darn! Why don't these ppl accept that it's the 21st century and it's no longer what the majority wants.

>^..^<

M-G (darn!)

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Sep 4, 10, 05:38 #27

warszawski

"the geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death".

Not London it's The Vatican

What is your opinion (of) Pope Benedict

He's a fascist who covets political power

Edmund Adamus, director of pastoral affairs at the diocese of Westminster and an adviser to Archbishop Vincent Nichols, said Parliament had turned Britain into a country which is more culturally anti-Catholic

England is anti-Catholic because they don't want the Catholic Church to take over politically.

Our laws and lawmakers for over 50 years have been the most permissively anti-life and progressively anti-family and marriagej

What is legal and what is moral are two different things. If the English are immoral it is not the responsibility of the Parliament but it is the responsibility of it's churches.

Amathyst

regardless of the fact that a few perverts messed with kids, doesnt mean all priests are bad.

These few perverts were protected by the Bishops. It'a an institutional problem within the Roman Church.

Im not a feminist..but I do believe if a woman has the right if she has taken all precaution and she is not mentally ready..

You can't be pro abortion and Roman Catholic. If the Pope reads this you're "86'thed".

MareGaea

And you have seen the light? Lemme take a guess: the world is much better off if we accept Jesus as our personal saviour and switch the clock 300 years back, sing halleluyah and go to Church 5 times a week and say our prayers 6 times a day?

Will you quit equating Jesus with the Roman Church??

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Edited by: plk123 Sep 4, 10, 06:31 #28

warszawski:

Well Jonni, the founder of religion is god and I would not consider it, or you could be offending many followers of different faiths, and all have a right, whatever their belief.

not really. founder of catholicism was Emperor Constantine.. not god.

warszawski:

Jesus was the shepherd,

hmm.. i thought he was a carpenter.. so, which is it?

warszawski:

Political correctness is hurting us today in ways that many people aren't aware of, and most people don't fully understand.

i actually think the opposite.. without it we'd be at each other's throats.

MareGaea:

And it's those ppl who use the term the most.

and the proof can be seen throughout the forum here.

warszawski:

4. Evil: The textbook definition of evil is that which is willfully and maliciously harmful to others.

which is opposite of PC

warszawski:

5. Why should we do what some faceless creeps tell us?

what does that have to do with PC? nothing

Amathyst:

dont give me the the "empire" bolluks!

i know it's hard to see from within sometimes.. but i see it here in USA.. it's the repeat of what happened / is happening to GB

Amathyst:

Im not a feminist..but I do believe if a woman has the right if she has taken all precaution and she is not mentally ready..

i agree to a point.. but, doesn't the man have a right too? after all it is his sperm too. the other highly viable option is adoption.. no?

Amathyst:

Yes he will be received well..last time the Pope was here there were 1,000s packed in the park close to where I live..

Regardless of what some think, the Pope is still very respected.

slow-whiny-death-british-christianity

^^^ warm reception, i am sure.

alexw68	Edited by: alexw68 Sep 4, 10, 10:17 #29
The reverend advisor's sources are no doubt impeccable: "Cold is God's way of telling us to burn another Catholic." --Lady Whiteadder, in British TV comedy series Black Adder II Seriously, who needs psychotropic drugs when you can mainline the ******** coming out of Lambeth Palace for free?

warszawskiThreads: 60 Posts: 2,388 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Edited by: warszawski Sep 4, 10, 11:17 #30
jonni: A bit like Peter Tatchell. PT' s game plan may have worked 20 years ago, with the in your face attitude, but it is old hat now, in the 21st century we are living in the educated era.If you want to win public opinion, it is better to have Samantha Power on your side fighting your cause.

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