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SkrymczThreads: -
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Joined: May 18, 10 ♂ 		 Sep 4, 10, 13:15    #31
I expect the reception the Pope gets will be very polarised.
Catholics, I guess, will be pleased to see him. But many people will demonstrate.
The last two Popes have exerted an extremely evil influence on the world, with their cover-ups of paedophilia and the ruling against condoms - this has effectively murdered millions of people in Africa. Not to mention the fact that the condom nonsense condemns the poor in countries like South America and the Philippines to have larger families than they can afford to feed. Women bearing the major brunt - no surprise in the paternalistic catholic world.
So he'll get a mixed reception - but he won't be surprised.
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warszawski:
Jesus was the shepherd

and...'we are the sheeple'.

the founder of religion is god

Are you sure, warszawski? What religion does God have? Was (s)he once Jewish, then changed his/her mind to Catholicism?
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Skrymcz:
this has effectively murdered millions of people in Africa.


True.

Skrymcz:
their cover-ups of paedophilia


True.

Skrymcz:
Not to mention the fact that the condom nonsense condemns the poor in countries like South America and the Philippines to have larger families than they can afford to feed.


True.

Popes nowadays are causing more harm than good to this world. After a visit of JPII to an African country in the 80's the population immediately stopped using condoms after being told so by the Pope, effectively anihilating over a decade of work to convince those ppl to use condoms to prevent overpopulation and STD's. Funny how those in favour of the Pope at the same time point at the overpopulation of Africa as proof that Africans are not capable of surviving by themselves, while it's their own idol who's to blame for a big part for this.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
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Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Sep 4, 10, 15:56    #34
MareGaea:
Funny how those in favour of the Pope at the same time point at the overpopulation of Africa as proof that Africans are not capable of surviving by themselves, while it's their own idol who's to blame for a big part for this.


Na ja...they still seem unable of independent rational thinking...
And blaming big, bad Whitie for all woes again is nothing new either!
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Bratwurst Boy:
And blaming big, bad Whitie


It's a true story. I forget the name of the country, but welfare workers had been working on the population for ages to convince them to start using condoms in order to push back the overpopulation and STD's. After they finally convinced them, the Pope comes and gets it all undone in a matter of days. It was in the 80's, I remember there was a big issue surrounding that.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
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MareGaea:
It was in the 80's, I remember there was a big issue surrounding that.

I though it was a recent event. At least they don't sterilize people like that did in US and Canada and did 10 years ago in Iran.
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plk123:
i know it's hard to see from within sometimes.. but i see it here in USA.. it's the repeat of what happened / is happening to GB


I dont quite follow what you mean? I know all about the British empire, we studied it extensively at school.

plk123:
i agree to a point.. but, doesn't the man have a right too? after all it is his sperm too. the other highly viable option is adoption.. no?


Of course men have a say, in some cases they're the ones who are telling the women to get an abortion as for sperm, men masterbate on a regular basis so they're flushing them away on an almost daily basis so they're not exactly precious are they?...Sure adoption is a viable option, but did you read where I wrote a woman might not be mentally prepared..do you think that she would be mentally able to carry a baby for 9 months and then give it away?

plk123:
^^^ warm reception, i am sure.


A few nutters dont represent a whole nation.

aphrodisiac:
that makes you a feminist:)


I dont believe I am, I would say Im a woman who believes that people have the right to make their own choices...that includes men and women..

Matt32:
I'm sorry for my bluntness!
That is the way I see it. I'm sure English people are great - its not my thread anyway I've only responded to the topic- would you expect me to lie?


I expect you to be more informed before commenting.
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London, has been and is the geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death

yes. It is so since Romans defeated local Sarmtians (Picts), meaning Proto Slavs. Since then everything is upside down in London epicenter of England, epicenter of Romanized natives on British islands. Since then new arrived culture torturing native culture and, smell as death
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One of the better aspects of English/Welsh society (more so than Ireland/Scotland) is that for the past 200 years it has been less religious and fundamentalist than most other nations. I think most people will not be interested in this visit. My own opinion is that the Catholic church is riddled with self righteousness and a blindness to its own faults.
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Crow:
Sarmtians

Where you come up with this crap is beyond me...do you normally raid your boxers, find a crusty bit, chew it up then spout it back out on PF?
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What on earth is a Sarmtian?
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Crow:
yes. It is so since Romans defeated local Sarmtians (Picts), meaning Proto Slavs. Since then everything is upside down in London epicenter of England, epicenter of Romanized natives on British islands. Since then new arrived culture torturing native culture and, smell as death


Crow, has been watching King Artur (2004)
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warszawski:
More comments from the church, ahead of the Popes visit to the UK. What is your opinion will Pope Benedict be received well in the UK, or will the media step up gear into overdrive, driven by all the politically correct and gay journalists out for revenge.

The Catholic Church hasn't liked the UK for quite a while, ever since that King kicked them all out. Henry the eighth he might have been called.
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Skrymcz:
What on earth is a Sarmtian?

true. From time to time, one can really looks pretty idiotic in his own eyes. Sorry people, its not `Sarmtian` but Sarmatian

so, it was just technical error in my Slavicized English.

warszawski:
Crow, has been watching King Artur (2004)

yes, last night again after some time. It was wonderful exploration thru Proto Slavic era

Just, i contemplated a lot of on Arthur Pendragon- who was original Sarmatian commander (war chief) from what is today`s Poland, Ukraine or Serbia (regions from where Romans regularly recruited Sarmatian auxiliary cavalry; but mostly among southern Slavs in general considering that they were inside of Roman borders).

Anyway, its hard to tell is Arthur`s role in Slavic (read Sarmatian) history positive or negative. Its very interesting question
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Joined: Dec 2, 06 ♀ 		 Sep 6, 10, 07:35    #45
MareGaea:
And you have seen the light? Lemme take a guess: the world is much better off if we accept Jesus as our personal saviour and switch the clock 300 years back, sing halleluyah and go to Church 5 times a week and say our prayers 6 times a day?


not sure why you're addressing it to me, I think I went to church only once this year :) Jesus is not the center of my life nor any other type of religion.
Anyway, people will see the light when they can no longer express themselves freely, you've got to be careful what you can say at work, to your neighbors etc. Why is PC any different than censorship? It's all about control and punishment.Maybe that's why the forums (including this one) are so popular because people can hide behind the screen and say whatever they want, things they would never say to another person face to face.
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Eurola:
Why is PC any different than censorship?


To some it may be, but all too often it's being used as an excuse to spout rude and weird views. Usually it's the right-wing that uses the term, but ppl tend to forget that some ppl actually may have thought about the subject at hand and have come to the same conclusion as what is generally accepted. Plus, quite a few times, the generally accepted explanation is the correct one. But dissenters are usually like little children who don't agree to it and just for their own sacred little self force ppl to prove once again what's already been proven either by themselves or by others.

Censorship....When the general consensus is diversity in the world, the dissenting voices propose censorship and uniformity. Go tell me, what would be better? Those dissenting voices accuse the populus majora of the same thing they are trying to achieve.

>^..^<

M-G (small coffee-break; freaking busy today)
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Joined: May 21, 10 ♂ 		Edited by: warszawski  Sep 9, 10, 17:57    #47
MareGaea:

This is the 21st century and there is absolutely no need nor desire nor request to turn the clock 100 or 200 years back and if you don't like it, perhaps you could go live in the Vatican. You can't stop progress anyway.


Would you call progress threatening to behead a Dutch minister...

http://defendgeertwilders.wordpress.com/2010/09/06/geert-wilders-openl y-threatened-with-beheading/

Geert Wilders; born September 6, 1963) is a Dutch politician and leader of the Party for Freedom (PVV), the third leading political party in the Netherlands.[1][2] Born in the city of Venlo, raised as a Roman Catholic and having left the Church at his coming of age, Wilders attributes his politics to his support for what he calls 'Judeo-Christian values'. He formed many of his political views on his travels to Israel, as well as the neighbouring Arab countries

Here is what all the fuss is about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_(film)

jonni:
And if it weren't for irritating people like Peter Tatchell, laws would never change at all


Peter Tatchell scraps idea of making citizen's arrest on the Pope. Maybe he has seen the light.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/peter-tatchell-scraps-i dea-of-making-citizens-arrest-on-the-pope-2074273.html
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warszawski:
Dutch minister


He's not a minister in the first place. He's just the leader of a movement which propagates hatred, seperatism and exclusion of an entire group. After insulting those groups for many years, one can expect to get sth in return. Geert Wilders is the shame of the Netherlands. Only 1.5 mln ppl voted for him, that's not even 1/10th of the Dutch population, yet they pretend he's the leading man. He is not. He just has the biggest mouth. He's a bit like Jörg Haider in Austria or Jean Marie Le Pen in France. But he's probably gonna go to jail at the end of this year for being a hatemonger. In October and November he has to go to court to stand trial because of that.

warszawski:
Here is what all the fuss is about.


No, there is much more than this collection of randomly, out of context video-fragments found on LiveLeak and YouTube. Much more.

>^..^<

M-G (it would be a sign of progress if he indeed would go to jail)
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Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂ 		 Sep 9, 10, 18:20    #49
I sincerely hope the pope gets a hard time in the UK - might wake the nasty old fart up a bit to reality. But it probably won't.

Although surprisingly, practicing catholics now outnumber their Anglican counterparts in England these days there are still not nearly enough Roman Catholics for a huge reception.
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Teffle:

Although surprisingly, practicing catholics now outnumber their Anglican counterparts in England these days there are still not nearly enough Roman Catholics for a huge reception.


Only since the Polish migrants arrived.
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Teffle:
might wake the nasty old fart up a bit to reality. But it probably won't.


When has the Pope ever been in touch with reality?

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
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Maybe Warszawski. Either way, there are still literally millions of "the godless" ; ) in England though and the statistic tells more about that than anything else really.

When has the Pope ever been in touch with reality?

True. Maybe I'll nip over and give him a few kicks or something then?
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MareGaea:

No, there is much more than this collection of randomly, out of context video-fragments found on LiveLeak and YouTube. Much more.


Of course.


Talks aimed at forming a new Dutch government broke down last week following the withdrawal from coalition negotiations of Geert Wilders, leader of the far-right, anti-Islamist Party for Freedom (PVV). The Netherlands has lacked a government since elections took place three months ago, and now the country’s monarch has been given the task of making a new proposal to overcome the political paralysis prevailing in Holland.

The national elections held on June 9 witnessed a narrow victory for the right-wing, pro-business People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD) led by Mark Rutte, which won 31 seats. One seat behind was the Dutch Labour Party (PvdA), with 30. Placing third with 24 seats was Wilders’ PVV, which was able to nearly triple its total of deputies compared to the previous election. Trailing fourth in the election was the conservative Christian Democratic Action CDA (21 seats).

The CDA had led the last Dutch government but had encountered increasing popular opposition due to its harsh economic measures and its foreign policy—in particular its failure to abide by a promise to withdraw Dutch troops from Afghanistan. In the June 9 election the CDA received a drubbing and lost nearly half of its parliamentary seats.

Following the election VVD leader Mark Rutte had declared he was open to negotiations with all parties but favoured an alliance with Wilders’ PVV. Following opposition from inside the CDA, Rutte then commenced talks aimed at forming a coalition with the Dutch Labour Party, GroenLinks (Green-Left) and the radical-democrat Democracy 66.

Rutte’s chief objective was to win support for his proposed economic measures. In the summer election campaign Rutte made clear he intends to adopt a strictly neo-liberal economic policy. Rutte had called for a “small and compact state” and severe austerity measures based on cutting €18 billion from the federal budget in the next legislative period. This is to be done primarily in the areas of health and social policy, culture and development aid.

wsws.org/articles/2010/sep2010/neth-s09.shtm

As well as,


http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1 704&Itemid=1

You got to admire the man he takes no sh1t...

MareGaea:
in touch with reality


You will have to explain reality, do you mean does the Pope know the cost of 1 Kilo of apples or oranges - probably not, but you would not expect him too - he's the Pope...

So please expand.
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warszawski:
You got to admire the man he takes no sh1t...


Most ppl in NL vomit on him. He's absolutely not liked in NL, but just because his followers are the loudest, it just seems that they are a majority. He doesn't have any real points, only his hatred towards Islam and his "social programme" is a direct copy of the Socialist Party (SP). He just has a big mouth and costs the state thousands of Euros every day in protection and all. Thereby he hasn't achieved anything so far.

>^..^<

M-G (the majority in NL does not admire him, trust me)
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MareGaea:
Most ppl in NL vomit on him. He's absolutely not liked in NL, but just because his followers are the loudest, it just seems that they are a majority. He doesn't have any real points, only his hatred towards Islam and his "social programme" is a direct copy of the Socialist Party (SP). He just has a big mouth and costs the state thousands of Euros every day in protection and all. Thereby he hasn't achieved anything so far.


Well the dutch electorate would not agree with you, his party have tripled their seats in the house, and it now looks like they will be part of a coalition gov. It is only the lefties that do not like him. It is just bizarre the Netherlands having a right wing gov.
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warszawski:
Well the dutch electorate would not agree with you,


Compare the 1.5 mln voters for him to the 8 mln voters that did not vote for him. The vast majority did not vote for him. And it's not only the Left that doesn't like him. I am following this very close as I am Dutch myself. But I gotta dash now. Be back around 10 or 11 tonight.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)

The topic is wandering.
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Mods:
The topic is wandering.


A leading adviser to the Archbishop of Westminster has blamed abortion and gay rights for turning Britain into a "selfish, hedonistic wasteland" which has become "the geopolitical epicentre of the culture of death"

I do not consider this topic to be wandering. Maregea who I understand to be dutch,has been drawing comparisons to the Netherlands. I would think that Amsterdam is on the same level as London as a hedonistic wasteland.

MareGaea:
PC is the general consensus. And the general consensus is usually right. Just because a few have different opinions, doesn't mean that these opinions are right. Good heavens! Do we over and over again have to defend our views against some ppl who want to turn the clock 300 years back? Darn! Why don't these ppl accept that it's the 21st century and it's no longer what the majority wants.


The Dutch Politician Geert Wilders campaigns for a christian party and is against the moral decline of our society.

SO what's the beef Mod...
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Addressing the Queen and other guests at the Palace of Holyrood House, the Pontiff praised Britain's fight against Hitler's "atheist extremism".
"Even in our own lifetimes we can recall how Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live.
"As we reflect on the sobering lessons of atheist extremism of the 20th century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus a reductive vision of a person and his destiny."
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It would have been a better speech if he'd provided even one tiniest shred of proof that his god (or any of the other gods that people worship) exists.

Or for that matter explained why a belief in the supernatural is better for humanity than rationalism.
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jonni:
It would have been a better speech if he'd provided even one tiniest shred of proof that his god (or any of the other gods that people worship) exists.


Can you or anyone else provide proof that God does not exist. Most people who deny God exists do so because they do not fit into the religious belief, As a example, a homosexual person could never be a Catholic , because he/she is not fulfilling the obligation to God. So many gays vent frustration at the Catholic church, because of the lifestyle they choose to lead.

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