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 Oct 13, 10, 15:01    #91
warszawski:
I find it interesting, the way poles sit there and tell you how **** Poland is and when you agree with them on a point, they immediately ask you, why don't you like Poland? They really do have a lot of complexes. Also the way, you are questioned about everything and as soon as you start to ask the person questions back,they become offended.


not me. i'm not complaining how **** poland is, and i'm not asking stupid question like "what do you think about poland". both things are wasting of time.

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 Oct 13, 10, 15:01    #92
DariuszTelka:
This is not really a "Polish" thing! I really think you would experience this in any other country in the world.

Just try walking into an pub in England and start complaining to people there about their food, their culture, their history. And then travel to Germany or Denmark and do the same thing. They would ask you pretty quickly to go to hell! They themselves can of course critizise themselves, their culture and their history, but you can't! Not like some of you do on this forum. This is basic social intelligence, and applies to all aspects of human life, wether it's work, family or your country. This also works even on the highest of levels. Just read international political news, and you will find dozens of articles about prime ministers and presidents of different countries arguing to clean up their own sh*t before they critizise others'. Sweden vs Denmark in the recent elections are fine examples of this.


The discussion is about " The more subtle differences: Ireland/Britain v Poland " as a British person, Harry or anyone else has the right to point out what they consider the differences. Now you could consider, the British to be overly patriotic and consider all things British " best " and you would be 100% correct in your assumptioN, that is British nationalism and it is something that has been educated in the British psyche. ( rightly or wrongly )

In respect of walking into an English pub and setting out to insult the locals, this would not be a smart thing to do, but if you had a debate with a British or Irish person and aired your observations about their country, wether it be positive or negative, I believe the vast majority would not be offended and would be open minded to your views. This is NOT the case in Poland. Further to your point about how it works at the higher levels, I will give an example from one former ambassador who said " ambassadors are thoroughly decent people, who are encouraged to lie on behalf of their nation "

In an ideal world, interpersonel intelligence,should apply to all aspects of human life, wether it's work, family or your country. Unfortunately too many media and marketing companies try to manipulate social intelligence into behavioral science in order to create consumers.
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 Oct 13, 10, 15:13    #93
DariuszTelka:
Just try walking into an pub in England and start complaining to people there about their food, their culture, their history.

That is not what we are talking about: we are talking about the inability generally displayed by Polish people to accept any comment, no matter how it comes up, that anything about Poland or Poles is in any way less than ideal.

Your comment about English people shows how little you understand about them. Englishmen understand that to be born English is to win first prize in the lottery of life. As an unfortunate (i.e. a foreigner) you are to be pitied and humoured: nothing that you say is of any importance anyway.

DariuszTelka:
But to say that "all Poles" or "Poles" share the views of half a dozen of posters here on this forum is a bit disrespectful and untrue.

I can't remember ever saying anything of the kind. But I suppose it is a bit much to expect you to actually address what I say, much easier for you to rail against what I do not say.

DariuszTelka:
It's amazing how far one comes with a bit of humility and respect!

I have no respect for people who have proven that they do not deserve it. Holocaust deniers are one group of such people.
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 Oct 13, 10, 15:40    #94
tow_stalin:
not me. i'm not complaining how **** poland is, and i'm not asking stupid question like "what do you think about poland". both things are wasting of time.


Good for you.
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Edited by: pgtx  Oct 13, 10, 15:44    #95
DariuszTelka:
Just try walking into an pub in England and start complaining to people there about their food, their culture, their history. And then travel to Germany or Denmark and do the same thing. They would ask you pretty quickly to go to hell! They themselves can of course critizise themselves, their culture and their history, but you can't! Not like some of you do on this forum. This is basic social intelligence, and applies to all aspects of human life, wether it's work, family or your country. This also works even on the highest of levels. Just read international political news, and you will find dozens of articles about prime ministers and presidents of different countries arguing to clean up their own sh*t before they critizise others'. Sweden vs Denmark in the recent elections are fine examples of this.

that's true... Americans are the same way... everybody is...

smart post DariuszTelka...
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 Oct 13, 10, 15:49    #96
pgtx:
that's true... Americans are the same way... everybody is...

English people aren't: as a foreigner your opinions are automatically of less value than what their dog thinks. But most of them are far too polite to let you know that (unless they are drunk).
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 Oct 13, 10, 15:52    #97
Harry:
English people aren't:

i could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong...
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 Oct 13, 10, 16:00    #98
pgtx:
i could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong...

Could it be that the only reason why your opinion is not less important than what my dog thinks is that I do not have a dog?
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 Oct 13, 10, 16:02    #99
Harry:
Could it be that the only reason why your opinion is not less important than what my dog thinks is that I do not have a dog?

my opinion in the most important one on this forum! period! and don't argue that because you will always be wrong!
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 Oct 13, 10, 16:04    #100
pgtx:
that's true... Americans are the same way... everybody is...


In a survey about what is shown on television, the most airtime in the USA was dedicated to the financial crisis and the rise of China as a new super power. In Poland the number one spot was Doda and celebrities lifestyles. Go figure everyone is the same...
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Edited by: Moderator  Oct 13, 10, 19:20    #101
Harry:
That is not what we are talking about: we are talking about the inability generally displayed by Polish people to accept any comment, no matter how it comes up, that anything about Poland or Poles is in any way less than ideal.

Your comment about English people shows how little you understand about them. Englishmen understand that to be born English is to win first prize in the lottery of life. As an unfortunate (i.e. a foreigner) you are to be pitied and humoured: nothing that you say is of any importance anyway.


I just said English, but could just as well said, Swiss, Finnish, Maori or Vanuatuan for that matter. It's about the big picture, about how people react when you critizise them in their own living room or talk about their country. Like the way you simply cannot write a sentence without either "stating a fact", calling somebody a liar or insulting someone. How about it Harry, why don't you try and be a little more people friendly, huh? Being so confrontational has to wear you down?

Englishmen are a one-of-a-kind breed, I'll give them that, but that's why people love them so much too. Unfortunately for them, they are emigrating en masse every year to the States and Australia because of the political insanity that currently runs their country. Over 100 000 brits leave the Island every year:

Harry:
I can't remember ever saying anything of the kind. But I suppose it is a bit much to expect you to actually address what I say, much easier for you to rail against what I do not say.


I don't really have the time or energy to sit and read through all your posts, but I remember that you haven't exatctly been the promotor of diplomacy and level-headedness here on PF. If someone could sit down and count how many times you wrote something derogatory or personally insulting, it would take them an entire evening. Or two. And I remember people gave you back as good as they got. You don't find this kind of debate tiring? (It takes two to tango...).

Harry:
I have no respect for people who have proven that they do not deserve it. Holocaust deniers are one group of such people.


I don't deny the holocaust. I question certain aspects of it. Don't worry Harry, I have enought respect for the both of us.

DariuszTelka
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 Oct 13, 10, 19:42    #102
DariuszTelka:
I don't deny the holocaust. I question certain aspects of it.

Which? The numbers maybe?
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 Oct 14, 10, 12:25    #103
warszawski:
,British nationalism


Doesn't exist north of Oldham.
alexw68  Oct 14, 10, 12:36    #104
Nor west of Plymouth.
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 Oct 14, 10, 12:37    #105
szkotja2007:
Doesn't exist north of Oldham


You can wish for the future,but you cannot change history.
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 Oct 14, 10, 12:52    #106
warszawski:
Poland, is the mother of all Poles, this stems from your socialist past, that still runs deep in the hearts and minds of all poles.

What ran deep in the hearts and minds before socialism, keen observer of Polish people?

...........

Dariusz, you must consider posting here a bad habit, because chat here is clearly way below your level. Your comments are always welcome though. Take good care.
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Edited by: Amathyst  Oct 14, 10, 14:20    #107
Teffle:
What 'grime' is going to get attached to e.g. your knees or back? Your hands and face can be washed whenever.


I dont work down a pit, but I like to put my jim jams on when Im fresh.

Teffle:
Depends what way you look at it. For me, showering in the morning has the added benefit of helping you wake up. Also, morning showerers are basically cleaner than all the evening showerers they meet during the day and early evening ; )


I wash both in the evening and the morning..just takes less time in the morning, as you say, its to freshen up..

Teffle:
Also, it has to be said, assuming most people have sex at night a morning shower makes more sense in many ways.


Gross...I wouldnt want sex with someone with hygiene habbits like this! How often do you change your bedding?

Teffle:
Anyway, you really think it's not the norm to shower in the morning in the UK? Like I said, I lived there and every single person I encountered did this.


All my family are evening AND morning showerers...Friends of mine are in the main evening and morning showerers...There is no rule that states one must do one or the other...Long leisurly shower in the evening and then a quick one in the morning..

Teffle:
I just think it's a bit much


Its respecting peoples wishes.

zetigrek:
Many people if they are not in formal visit they remove their shoes volontary as they thinks it's polite.


Which it is..Zet plenty practice this in the UK as children we came in the back door and left our shoes in the utility room and changed in to our slippers for around the house, honestly there is nothing unusual whatsoever in this practice.

zetigrek:
Teffle what about two taps? Have you got used to use one?


One for hot one for cold - nothing strange about his - but mixer taps are becoming more commonplace..
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 Oct 14, 10, 14:23    #108
Amathyst:
One for hot one for cold - nothing strange

But you've got burning hot water out of one, and freezing cold water out of the other. When visiting, the brain struggles to comprehend why anyone would do that.
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 Oct 14, 10, 14:30    #109
convex:
why anyone would do that

English sense of humor obviously.
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 Oct 14, 10, 15:01    #110
Amathyst:
All my family are evening AND morning showerers...Friends of mine are in the main evening and morning showerers


Fair enough. Pretty certain it's unusual though.

Amathyst:
I wouldnt want sex with someone with hygiene habbits like this!


Don't worry - I wasn't asking ; )
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 Oct 15, 10, 19:46    #111
DariuszTelka:
Englishmen are a one-of-a-kind breed


The English are a self-made race... which relieves god of the respnosibility.

Another subtle thing which might be worth noting is the lack of queueing for buses etc, the practice of saying "thank you" when leaving the table, saying goodbye when leaving a train carriage.

Also, those little paper serviette things on the table in bars and restaurants which only Poles can take out individually... foreigners take one and pull the whole lot out.

Drinking hot tea or coffee from glasses with no handles.
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 Oct 15, 10, 20:00    #112
Trevek:
The English are a self-made race... which relieves god of the respnosibility.

I'm not sure about the self-made part.
Would you consider stealing the wealth of half the globe during the British Empire times a sign that the British are a self-made race? Or a race of thieves?
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 Oct 15, 10, 20:09    #113
z_darius:
Or a race of thieves?


Lol, The British museums are absolutely fantastic because of it.
They robbed so many cultures, it's amazing.

It is a point of controversy whether museums should be allowed to possess artefacts taken from other countries, and the British Museum is a notable target for criticism. The Elgin Marbles, Benin Bronzes and the Rosetta Stone are among the most disputed objects in its collections, and organisations have been formed demanding the return of these artefacts to their native countries of Greece, Nigeria and Egypt respectively.

The British Museum has refused to return these artefacts, stating that the "restitutionist premise, that whatever was made in a country must return to an original geographical site, would empty both the British Museum and the other great museums of the world".[62] The Museum has also argued that the British Museum Act of 1963 legally prevents any object from leaving its collection once it has entered it. Nevertheless, it has returned items such as the Tasmanian Ashes after a 20 year long battle with Australia.[63]

The British Museum continues to assert that it is an appropriate custodian and has an inalienable right to its disputed artefacts under British law.

Wiki


But, I Love going to it and seeing all those amazing artefacts under the same roof. (the roof itself is impressive too:)
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 Oct 15, 10, 20:28    #114
SeanBM:
The Elgin Marbles, Benin Bronzes and the Rosetta Stone

And the Orkney Chessmen which the National Museum of Scotland wants, not without justification.

Having said that, there are some pretty important parts of British heritage in museums around the US, and the single most valuable item in Germany, museum or otherwise, was made by Greeks and plundered from Turkey.
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 Oct 15, 10, 20:34    #115
jonni:
there are some pretty important parts of British heritage in museums around the US

Only because you guys "discovered" the place, notwithstanding that there were people already there :)

jonni:
the single most valuable item in Germany, museum or otherwise, was made by Greeks and plundered from Turkey.

What's that?
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Edited by: jonni  Oct 15, 10, 20:51    #116
SeanBM:
Only because you guys "discovered" the place, notwithstanding that there were people already there :)

Indeed. People sometimes forget though, how much crossed the atlantic during the C20.
SeanBM:
What's that?

Not Greek, in fact. My bad. It's the head of Nefertiti, solid gold. The Germans, understandably but oddly, want Priam's Treasure back from the Russians. The original owners want both.
go on, just let me have the ear

http://www.elginism.com/20100220/2744/
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Edited by: Moderator  Oct 15, 10, 20:53    #117
jonni:
Not Greek, in fact. My bad. It's the head of Nefertiti, solid gold. The Germans, understandably but oddly, want Priam's Treasure back from the Russians.

I can see why they want it but the "He did it so it's ok if we do it" debate is a losing one and you know it :)

a little off topic i think
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Edited by: jonni  Oct 15, 10, 21:01    #118
I agree. And more on topic is a particulardifference between UK and Poland. That being the huge cultural, artistic and architectural heritage of the 17th and 18th centuries (or before) in the UK and the dearth thereof in Poland.

I'm sitting in the UK now, in northern England, in an area with heavy industrial development, heavily bombed during WW2 and nothing particularly special. Yet within a quarter a mile there's a ruined medieval castle, a Saxon church and a handful of five hundred year-old houses. Not to mention several palaces in the area and beautiful Georgian Squares. Also the permanent colections of works by Barbara hepworth and Henry Moore, both local, just down the road.

In Poland there isn't much of this at all, and never was.
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Edited by: SeanBM  Oct 15, 10, 21:05    #119
jonni:
In Poland there isn't much of this at all, and never was.

?

I beg to differ, there are quite a few castles around here, the nearest ruin to me is from the end of the 14 century, it was a customs house but there are many more like it.
I have posted about them but in my threads (the ones nobody reads because nobody argues:)

The royal castle in Dobczyce,

Niepołomice's castle

and of course the Wawel and there are plenty more...

You have been living in Warsaw too long.

Mod quote:
a little off topic i think


Fair cop guv, you know how it goes though, discussions evolve especially on Friday nights;)
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 Oct 15, 10, 21:09    #120
SeanBM:
there are quite a few castles around here,

And by far the greatest concentration in Europe are in the British Isles.
SeanBM:
You have been living in Warsaw too long.

Warsaw conversely is the most likely place in Poland to find large scale 18th century neo-classical buildings.

My point is that Poland has some interesting and historical buildings, but really not many, and the best ones tend to be well known. Britain is groaning under the weight of them.


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