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Mar 14, 10, 17:39 #91

mafketis:

As far as I can tell, this company is happy with Polish workers and wants more of them so it offers training in Polish and does not seek out other nationalities very much. Demand, meet supply.

Ok, so you think the company has the right to operate outside the law. Sound.

Should the British people not be asked for their opinion on the current colonisation of their country? Referendum, meet democracy.

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Mar 14, 10, 17:41 #92

SeanBM:

I have never seen that tabloid taken as serious anywhere in England as it is on these forums.

It's probably because it is one of the publications on the yahoo news site these days. Almsot the first thing you see.

SeanBM:

IF the company has broken the law, they must be brought to justice and the appropriate penalties applied. Both locals and legal foreign workers are being shafted and it is a disgrace.

Funny thing is that the sign they show doesn't say "You must speak Polish", it says "English not demanded".

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 14, 10, 17:41 #93
Some English speakers, mafketis, not all. Most jobs say EU nationals preferred. That's fine as it means that people from so many countries can apply AND leaves the door open for those outside the EU to at least have a chance of taking up the position should they be suitably qualified.

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Edited by: ShortHairThug Mar 14, 10, 17:45 #94

mafketis:

As far as I can tell, this company is happy with Polish workers and wants more of them so it offers training in Polish and does not seek out other nationalities very much. Demand, meet supply.

I wouldn’t be so sure. They simply found another way to save the cost thus maximize their profit in form of relocation costs. Why spend money on that when you can relax the labor laws and guarantee that potential worker will come to work for you at his own expense for a lot less than a local. Who knows in 2-4 years it might be the Zimbabwean that is lot more profitable for them than a Pole and your theory of hard working Pole shut to hell. It’s all about profits.
Demand, meet supply, spot on.

mafketisThreads: 15 Posts: 1,830 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Mar 14, 10, 17:47 #95
Trevek: Funny thing is that the sign they show doesn't say "You must speak Polish", it says "English not demanded". Yeah, I noticed that. It's that double standard again. (I'd actually translate it as "No English (language) required" or "(Knowlede of English) not necessary" but that's a quibble.)

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Mar 14, 10, 17:53 #96
RevokeNice: So if a member of the baltic states, whom had no english or polish, applied, would he get the job? Perhaps, because he wouldn't be able to read the DM and know he shouldn't apply.

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Edited by: opts Mar 14, 10, 17:56 #97

grubas:

Bull crap my friend.There are employers in US who require you to speak spanish for certain positions and nobody is ******** about discrimination.So what's up with that?If they were smart they would learn polish and become menagers.

I am a Pole living in Arizona, US. Yes, in US, sometimes employers prefer to hire people who speak Spanish. This practice creates resentment and animosity. I support the Brits. They should have an equal opportunity to compete for jobs. They are being discriminated against in their own country BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE. In the past, England was a great power; it has now become a namby-pamby.
When will the Brits elect politicians with with balls?

RevokeNice:

The EU is on the verge of doing away with visa restrictions on Turkish citizens. Their GNP is less than that of Mexico. Theres 70 million of them.
Give me the Mexicans anyday over the poles and turks.

I wish that Mexicans that live in Arizona would move to where you live.

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Mar 14, 10, 17:57 #98

Who is this character?

Helena Danielczuk, who works for Bradford mental health charity Sharing Voices, said she had been approached by more than a dozen Eastern European workers who lost their jobs at Forza.

She said: ‘They have to work for an unbroken 12 months otherwise they are unable to claim Jobseeker’s Allowance. Some of them are destitute.’ The charity has called for financial support for migrant workers left without work because of the fire.

So, she wants the Brits to cough up more cash to people who paid phuc all into the system? Surely its upto the Polish embassy to supply them with a ticket home?

We have "cultural enrichers" like her over here too. We have a phucing Slovak pushing for citizenship reform. Apparently, five years is to long of a wait for the bringers of "diversity" and "vibrancy".

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Edited by: SeanBM Mar 14, 10, 18:01 #99

I knew you'd be scanning the net looking for a way to blame the Poles, you are predictable to a fault.
Again the mistreatment of Poles

‘widespread evidence’ of physical and verbal abuse and lack of proper health and safety protection, while workers often have little knowledge of their rights.

And there was a fire, so again the companies fault and they should be the ones to pay, try again.

I would love to see the Poles and the locals bring this company to the cleaners in court, to join forces they could collaborate each other's story!

If it is not just manipulation of the facts by the Daily mail and RN.

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Mar 14, 10, 18:07 #100

OMG who in the hell would wanna work there?
You guys are f-ing missing the point!!!!!!!!!!!
MEAT PACKING FACTORY = SWEATSHOP

I suspect if they would hire more than 10 Englishman there they would have to close the plant. No one would stand for the work conditions there except foreigners who don't know how to speak the native language. Are you blaming those stupid Polish people who work there for this? How can you allow for a business like that flourish in the civilized society that you proclaimed to represent?

HavokThreads: 14 Posts: 1,507 Joined: Mar 12, 10 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Havok Mar 14, 10, 18:16 #101
mafketis: The double standard is expecting others to speak a foreign language in their own country and getting upset when the same thing happens in reverse closer to home. Good news for everyone upset about Polish ppl taking jobs. There are similar plants in Germany, which accept English speaking workers with open hands. They pay better too. Average person lasts there a week.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 14, 10, 18:17 #102
Basically all British people should be banned from work untill they learn Polish, lazy sods.

HavokThreads: 14 Posts: 1,507 Joined: Mar 12, 10 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Havok Mar 14, 10, 18:32 #103
Sokrates: Basically all British people should be banned from work untill they learn Polish, lazy sods. English people should not allow for such businesses to exploit human beings. The meat packing factory is a sweatshop where people ruin their health and die.

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Mar 14, 10, 18:33 #104

time means:

In English please.

What, you no understand? You drivin' me crazy, you!

Anyway, if your typical Brit hears that there are jobs in Poland that require Polish people living in their own country to speak a foreign language (English) they probably think that's great.

If they find out about a job that almost no British person wants that's in Britain and English isn't mandatory (not prohibited, just not necessary) then the sky is falling.

If understanding not serious on make how. you not at all is. I not how to sure make clear it.

HavokThreads: 14 Posts: 1,507 Joined: Mar 12, 10 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Havok Mar 14, 10, 18:42 #105
Did any of you worked or knew someone who worked in the Meat Factory i.e. FORZA AW LIMITED? Before you respond I suggest you guys research this subject...

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Mar 14, 10, 18:43 #106

purplewolf:

They are comparatively unproductive and, to put it bluntly, just lazy..

Nonsense.

purplewolf:

Poles work harder, more efficiently and effectively..

Don't make me laugh, I worked thrice as hard as any Polish person I've worked with. No competition for me really.

purplewolf:

It's not about discrimination, it's about cruel rules of free market.. Capitalists prefer workers who can work harder, that's so simple...

No they don't. They prefer people who don't complain about salary, rules or even their own safety. They also prefer not to give people permanent contracts, so they can fire people easily. Temporary workers fit this description. It has nothing to do with working harder, quite the contrary, foreign workers don't really care about the nation of their employer, or their employer.. (They'll be working somewhere else tomorrow if they get fired.)

purplewolf:

I think it's kinda pathetic that modern English nationalism becomes nothing more but a crying response to meritorical dominance of non-English nations in the global job-market...

I want to see you when Chinese workers flood your market. (Which will happen sooner or later.) See who's left to help you after you've screwed everyone.

purplewolf:

It's a sign of weakness and national decadence..

No, it's the sign of a spoiled and decadent elite who are willing to betray their own people in order to play people against eachother. You obviously fell for it, but in the long run, you'll see you won't gain anything from this either.

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RevokeNiceThreads: 21 Posts: 2,459 Joined: Jun 20, 09 ♂	Mar 14, 10, 18:45 #107
Arien: .......................... Excellent post. Bravo.

ArienThreads: 6 Posts: 1,604 Joined: Oct 20, 08 ♂	Mar 14, 10, 18:55 #108
Just the truth. :)

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Mar 15, 10, 21:26 #109

Amathyst:

Dont worry, when the next lot get in there will be some changes...Labour have ruined this country and the next lot know how we all feel about immigration, their first job's pretty much been spelt out to them.

The next lot !!! I wonder who you consider to be the next Government.?
If you mean the current Opposition, then do you really believe that after 5 years there will be less foreigners in this country than there are now.

Isnt only a few months ago the Irish on this forum saying the same things that the EU referendum was going to be rejected and what became of that.

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Edited by: Arien Mar 15, 10, 21:54 #110

SeanBM:

I would love to see the Poles and the locals bring this company to the cleaners in court, to join forces they could collaborate each other's story!

You're right, and we should help eachother as people, because they're screwing the foreign workers aswell.

I know for a fact that a Polish construction worker fell of an building once due to lack of safety measures. The Dutch construction workers wouldn't do it and complained about safety, so they were sent home. A Polish team of construction workers got up there, without safety and one guy fell. He died instantly, and the agency he worked for didn't even bother to sent his widow his last salary. This is not a fairytale. It happened. (Taken from the FNV magazine.)

Is this how Polish people fight for their rights? Huh? Come on! You're allowing these leeches to use you like animals, and you put the working people who fight for their rights out of their jobs by accepting such a treatment?

And back home? That's right, what will happen if you go back to Poland? Will you have a job there? Or will some immigrant from the Ukraine do your job because he's cheaper than you? Polish workers who want to stay in England or in Holland? How do you want to do that with less than minimum wage? Without an agency which arranges temporary living space for you? Face it, you're being used, and unfortunately you're also undermining our rights because you comply, and you people don't complain about low wages, you don't even complain about health or safety-related issues.

Think before you do something, and demand a fair treatment for the work you're going to do here. If we're not going to fight for our rights, or show any solidarity, they're going to undermine our position first, and then they'll undermine yours. You might benefit from all of this today, but you might aswell lose it all to another wave of immigrants from another country tomorrow. Is that what you people want then?

Grzegorz_Threads: 80 Posts: 6,104 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Mar 15, 10, 22:03 #111
Amathyst: Why on gods earth would an ENGLISH person who lives in ENGLAND who would like a job in a meat packing factory want to learn Polish? We speak ENGLISH in ENGLAND, no? Why do you ask us ? Isn't that a British factory in Britain ?

AmathystThreads: 30 Posts: 3,898 Joined: Nov 10, 06 ♀	Mar 15, 10, 22:06 #112
Grzegorz_: Isn't that a British factory in Britain ? Thats correct so why are they asking for Polish language as a must? Thats the point I was making, only some of the posters on this thread thought it was okay...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 15, 10, 22:09 #113
It's a simple point. If operations must be conducted in Polish then it fits. Otherwise it's blatant discrimination and I'll be damned if unscrupulous British trash profit off of the undercutting they do.

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Edited by: SeanBM Mar 15, 10, 22:18 #114

Arien:

I know for a fact that a Polish construction worker fell of an building once due to lack of safety measures.

I was working in Canary Wharf in London where 7 people died on the site I was working on, most of whom were working for minimum wage.

In May last year (2000) three men were killed on the "twin" tower of the Citigroup building when a crane they were attempting to extend ripped in half, plunging 400ft to the ground and narrowly missing a family sitting nearby. Fifteen months later the Health and Safety Executive is still investigating the deaths of the crane driver, Peter Clark, and the steel erectors, Martin Burgess and Michael Whittard, which took place during construction of the office now occupied by HSBC bank.

The 'curse of Canary Wharf' claims another life

The crain had snapped in half killing the driver and two labourers. I wasn't there but I was told that it cut through the building.

I saw an amazing amount of accidents there, and when I had heard 8 people had died I went to the health and saftey guy on site and asked him about it, he was a very nervous man and replied to me that "tomy knowledge only 7 people had died" at which I freaked out and asked him what the hell he meant by "to my knowledge" and "only 7"??? What a catastrophe.

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Edited by: Arien Mar 15, 10, 22:32 #115

Amathyst:

Thats correct so why are they asking for Polish language as a must?

You're right. Many employers demand you speak some kind of a foreign language these days. (It happens over here aswell!) Now how ridiculous is that? Are we supposed to study Chinese to do simple tasks in our own country next year?

SeanBM:

I was working in Canary Wharf in London where 7 people died on the site I was working on, most of whom were working for minimum wage.

I've seen quite a few people die with my own two eyes. Mostly due to simple things like miscommunication and a lack of safety precautions. I've stopped working as a construction worker, simply because it's not safe anymore. For example, if I will turn off a switch somewhere, and leave a note on the switch not to turn it on, some idiot will turn it on because he can't read Dutch or English..

Maybe I should write a new Electrician's Safety Manual: How do I prevent myself from getting electrocuted?

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SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Mar 15, 10, 22:34 #116
Arien: I've seen quite a few people die with my own two eyes. I never saw anyone die but that did not make me feel any safer.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 15, 10, 22:35 #117
Such practicalities must be addressed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DVs25ejP3Q&feature=related, a politician is discussing linguistic problems and safety issues here and I agree with her. We see just how greedy people are, opting for cheap labour at the expense of practicality. No more so than now is the idea of the right person for the right job so important.

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Mar 15, 10, 22:43 #118

Arien:

Many employers demand you speak some kind of a foreign language these days.

Its never happened before in the UK, until relatively recent times.

Arien:

Now how ridiculous is that? Are we supposed to study Chinese to do simple tasks in our own country next year?

Well, not really because the Chinese generally speak very good English ;0)

I dont have a problem with companies asking for a language if there is a need, say for instance there was an interesting job I saw the other day but Swedish was needed, I am assuming they do business with Swedish companies so...there is a genuine need..but a meat packing factory, it was just another way of alienating Brits, as I said, I hope they close the recruitment agency down and stop them from trading ever again...The idiots in HR at the company that they supplied staff to should be sacked!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 15, 10, 22:54 #119
Well, there is European legislation that states that people will move into a job or will take active steps to get 'proper' employment. I can't remember the name of the EU Directive but I've posted it here before. People seem to be blind to that.

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Mar 15, 10, 23:01 #120

Amathyst:

Its never happened before in the UK, until relatively recent times.

Well, I remember saying something about it back in 2006, and I got all sorts of funny replies from people who told me to stop whining and to be more competitive. It almost makes me wonder what happened to those people, because they're obviously not posting here anymore.

Amathyst:

Well, not really because the Chinese generally speak very good English ;0)

My uncle is married to a Chinese woman, and I can assure you that many Chinese people - the rural folks - don't speak or understand a word of English.

Amathyst:

I dont have a problem with companies asking for a language if there is a need, say for instance there was an interesting job I saw the other day but Swedish was needed, I am assuming they do business with Swedish companies so...there is a genuine need..

Ofcourse, that would be totally understandable and justified.

Amathyst:

but a meat packing factory, it was just another way of alienating Brits, as I said, I hope they close the recruitment agency down and stop them from trading ever again...The idiots in HR at the company that they supplied staff to should be sacked!

I like your way of thinking.

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