POLISH GIRL ARRESTED IN FAKE MARRIAGE SCAM..

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Apr 2, 11, 00:16 #1

Its the second time this gang have been caught...

The would-be bride, Polish-born Ewelina Piotrowska, 23, from Wakefield, is said to have breached immigration law by trying to facilitate illegal entry to the UK.

The group are said to have been trying to obtain a resident’s permit for the would-be groom Nahid Chaudhary, 31, who is not a British citizen.

http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/local/fake_marriage_gang_in_court _for_a_second_time_1_3242364

grahambarber	Apr 2, 11, 01:24 #2
disgusting totally disgusting you have foreign nationals marrying other foreign nationals who shouldn't be in the uk anyway and they can also stay here , the country is a joke how this has happened it's just an insane crazy madness that new labour created

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Edited by: JonnyM Apr 2, 11, 01:26 #3
grahambarber: the country is a joke Don't be so pessimistic - it's still a pretty good place. grahambarber: an insane crazy madness that new labour created Fake marriages were around long before then!

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Apr 2, 11, 01:37 #4
O ! next frozen successfully brought to life....

ShortHairThugThreads: - Posts: 1,377 Joined: May 1, 09 ♂	Apr 2, 11, 02:32 #5
Published on Friday 1 April 2011 07:00 This speaks volume.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Apr 2, 11, 02:35 #6
ShortHairThug: This speaks volume. No. It's quite near where I am now and has been in other newspapers. Also it would be a pretty daft April Fools' joke, since it's really rather banal.

ShortHairThugThreads: - Posts: 1,377 Joined: May 1, 09 ♂	Apr 2, 11, 02:43 #7
JonnyM: Also it would be a pretty daft April Fools' joke You mean it's not? I remember that name from an article I read way back.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Edited by: JonnyM Apr 2, 11, 02:53 #8
It's real. I'm staying in a neighbouring town and it's in the paper here too. AFAIK the people in question are repeat offenders. Plus there's neither comedy potential nor anything hard to believe in the story. It happens from time to time. Very common in the 1990s before Hong Kong went back to China and people there wanted British residency in case anything went wrong there.

shewolfThreads: 5 Posts: 1,835 Joined: Dec 23, 06 ♀	Apr 2, 11, 06:22 #9
I think they met on Polish Forums. ;)

jarnowaThreads: 5 Posts: 801 Joined: Nov 21, 09 ♂	Apr 2, 11, 12:12 #10
The law should be changed. Marrying an EU citizen shouldn't give people from outside the EU the right to live here. If they still want to marry, they can live outside the EU. We have enough men in EU, no need for grooms from outside to marry European women.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,957 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Apr 2, 11, 12:26 #11
Yes,polish girls take advantage of that.It is like they exploit their country membership to EU to make 5000 euro.Really very low.

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Apr 2, 11, 14:20 #12

jarnowa:

The law should be changed. Marrying an EU citizen shouldn't give people from outside the EU the right to live here.

I am marrying someone from outside the EU , a Russian in fact , but we do not intend to live in the EU , we will make our home in Russia , but we will visit my family in the UK , and my friends in Poland , and we will be applying for a family visa for that....

Its no suprise that some poor girls see the chance of making quick money by entering into a fake marriage with some guy they never met from an Asian country , and its no suprise that criminals see a way of making a fast buck , but the UK is taking a good hard look at such marriages , and the chances of getting away with it are pretty slim now....

Its the first time i have seen Polish girls involved in such a scam , it usually seems to be Latvian , and Lithuanian girls... Don,t do it Polish girls...you will end up in jail....!

rozumiemnicThreads: 4 Posts: 1,021 Joined: Nov 16, 09 ♀	Edited by: rozumiemnic Apr 2, 11, 14:34 #13
jarnowa: We have enough men in EU, no need for grooms from outside to marry European women EU is not all of Europe, even less so a few years ago. Who was paying for fake marriages then?

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Edited by: JonnyM Apr 2, 11, 15:03 #14
jarnowa: We have enough men in EU, no need for grooms from outside to marry European women. Marriage is for love, not demographics. And love is colourblind.

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Edited by: jarnowa Apr 2, 11, 15:12 #15

wildrover:

I am marrying someone from outside the EU , a Russian in fact , but we do not intend to live in the EU , we will make our home in Russia , but we will visit my family in the UK , and my friends in Poland , and we will be applying for a family visa for that....

Its no suprise that some poor girls see the chance of making quick money by entering into a fake marriage with some guy they never met from an Asian country , and its no suprise that criminals see a way of making a fast buck , but the UK is taking a good hard look at such marriages , and the chances of getting away with it are pretty slim now....

Its the first time i have seen Polish girls involved in such a scam , it usually seems to be Latvian , and Lithuanian girls... Don,t do it Polish girls...you will end up in jail....!

Maybe some naive Polish girls think they can get away with it, by telling officials that she really is in love with Muhammed from Pakistan.

rozumiemnic:

EU is not all of Europe, even less so a few years ago. Who was paying for fake marriages then?

You mean guys from Western Europe?
Yes, that's true.
But now Poles and other Europeans share their territory together, so what's the problem if people marry persons from another member country?

JonnyM:

Marriage is for love, not demographics. And love is colourblind.

You can feel attracted to someone, but if you know that the person is not European and living together in EU is blocked by law, then you can choose not to start a relationship with that person. Isn't life about making the right choices instead of stupid ones?

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Apr 2, 11, 15:13 #16
JonnyM: Marriage is for love, not demographics. And love is colourblind. Exactly.... it would have been much more conveniant if i had fallen in love with a local Polish girl from my village , but it just happened i fell in love with a Russian... We are now going through a mass of paperwork that is doing our heads in , but it has to be done if we want to be together in Russia...

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Edited by: Lodz_The_Boat Apr 2, 11, 15:15 #17

JonnyM:

Marriage is for love, not demographics. And love is colourblind.

The audience here have a tendency to dwell in matters such as these and try to push them and blow them out into a proportion which would look catastrophic, typical for a certain nation, make stereotypical comments ... and bring around a very negative environment in which they can breed hatred and phobias.

Such incidents are not uncommon ... even Poles did it, and still do it, so does any people around the globe ... this is a sad story ... I wish the apartheid among people would soon diminish, and all humans can enjoy the goodness that one Earth have in abundance to share with all.

Restrictive systems often do not work. Although I strictly advocate serious students getting the highest priority for citizenship and visas ... still sometimes I feel for those people who go into such measures for a better life.

Also, anyone educated with a sound background have a distinct and refined taste mechanism which often keeps helps them be more comfortable with the right surrounding. Its a great internal safety mechanism.

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Edited by: JonnyM Apr 2, 11, 15:43 #18

jarnowa:

telling officials that she really is in love with Muhammed from Pakistan.

Perhaps she is really in love.

wildrover:

it just happened i fell in love

This is what marriage is about.

jarnowa:

But now Poles and other Europeans share their territory together, so what's the problem if people marry persons from another member country?

All humans share their world - what's the problem marrying someone from half way across the globe?

jarnowa:

You can feel attracted to someone, but if you know that the person is not European and living together in EU is blocked by law, then you can choose not to start a relationship with that person. Isn't life about making the right choices instead of stupid ones?

If they marry, it isn't blocked by law.

A few years ago, a woman from New Zealand proposed marriage to me. For a residency permit. I didn't agree - it would have been a sham marriage, but if we actually had been in love, what's the problem in marrying someone from outside Europe?

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Edited by: jarnowa Apr 2, 11, 16:25 #19

JonnyM:

Perhaps she is really in love.

As i said, you can always decide not to fall in love with someone.
A girl can always keep distance until she is sure that the guy already has a EU passport and don't need her for getting one.

All humans share their world - what's the problem marrying someone from half way across the globe?

BS, we don't share our terittory with Africa, Turkey (not yet) or China, otherwise they would be free to invade us by millions.

If they marry, it isn't blocked by law.

A few years ago, a woman from New Zealand proposed marriage to me. For a residency permit. I didn't agree - it would have been a sham marriage, but if we actually had been in love, what's the problem in marrying someone from outside Europe?

Well, for people from a rich country like NZ who generally speaking don't harm the wellbeing of European people, an exception would be no problem. The problem is that leftwing radicals will then cry about equality if we don't make an exception as well for Muhammed from Pakistan or John from Nigeria. This shows again the bad influence of leftwing politics. For rightwing politicians it would be no problem to only give visas to people from some countries and not from others, but unfortunately they can't because of threats from leftwing parties.

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Edited by: rozumiemnic Apr 2, 11, 16:33 #20

jarnowa:

BS, we don't share our terittory with Africa

Ever hear of King Leopold of Belgium? Ever wondered why Antwerp station is so spectacular?

jarnowa:

harm the wellbeing of European people

whose hand chopping policiies still harm the inhabitants of the ex "Belgian Congo"

jarnowa:

bad influence of leftwing politics.

you should be ashamed of your obsessions. Do you come here because in "real life" people walk away from you when you start spouting your vileness at them?

jarnowaThreads: 5 Posts: 801 Joined: Nov 21, 09 ♂	Apr 2, 11, 17:06 #21
rozumiemnic: Ever hear of King Leopold of Belgium? Ever wondered why Antwerp station is so spectacular? whose hand chopping policiies still harm the inhabitants of the ex "Belgian Congo" is it my fault, just because i'm belgian? i wasn't even born then!

rozumiemnicThreads: 4 Posts: 1,021 Joined: Nov 16, 09 ♀	Apr 2, 11, 17:10 #22
jarnowa: i wasn't even born then! it's in your blood

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Apr 2, 11, 17:19 #23

I've had friends who married Poles, they were from countries of the East. Now they have EU passports, Polish children, and they are still madly in love with their wives. Not for a moment would I feel that they married for the passports, but if they prefer to live where their wife is most comfortable, I think it is a respectable decision for them to make. I am actually glad they preferred Poland.

People who marry for EU passport are easily noticeable, specially when they come from countries of the East. Usually they lack education, and they lack confidence. They are keen to offer money ... However, when it comes to Ukrainians or even Russians or Poles who would like to cross over to UK or USA, they use smarter techniques, like fooling people into a marriage (saving costs).

How about that? ... Yep, I love to be fare. There is no nation who can say that they treated the moral and ethical perspective of marriage and love rightly. But those who have some class and conduct, a level of maturity, a level of ethics in behavior and mannerism ... they are genuine and it is very visible. There is no reason for someone to fall into a trap, because sometimes it is obvious even for a child to understand (often it is a contract made with mutual understanding). No reason to confuse love here.

For a few miscreants, love marriages shouldn't be held responsible or restricted. If that happens, there will be women and men in Europe (yes, as white as myself) with voices raised and protest! It is my country, and I will not allow making myself a slave of a phobic government. You want to curtail such fake immigrations? Then go ahead and check on the validity of such marriages, there are 100s of ways of doing that. Time periods can be attached here ... children must be considered, their background back home comes to play. PARENTS have a role (not as an oppressor, but as a reasonable group who would like to make an average assessment, not only for a non-EU person, but also for EU people).

For a racist from Belgium, that wonderful nation with hearts of gold walking everywhere cannot be labeled as a racist or morally handicapped nation.

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Apr 2, 11, 17:55 #24

jarnowa:

As i said, you can always decide not to fall in love with someone.

Very naive.

jarnowa:

e don't share our terittory with Africa, Turkey (not yet) or China

Actually we do - the world is a small place nowadays and people are mobile.

jarnowa:

Well, for people from a rich country like NZ who generally speaking don't harm the wellbeing of European people

The lady who wanted me to marry her was a struggling musician - she'd have signed on for benefits the second she had a chance. However I suspect you are more concerned with people's colour than anything else.

jarnowa:

i'm belgian

Yes, foreign too.

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Apr 2, 11, 17:59 #25

wildrover:

Its the first time i have seen Polish girls involved in such a scam

Agreed.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/crime-courts/polish-women-in-scotti sh-bogus-marriage-scam-1.927787

http://undhimmi.com/2010/02/01/ireland-latest-victim-of-pakistani-bogu s-marriage-scam/

It is very uncommon.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7813484/Sham-marriage-couple-ar rested-minutes-before-wedding.html

MidasThreads: 2 Posts: 788 Joined: Jul 19, 10 ♂	Apr 2, 11, 19:19 #26
They are doing the same stuff over in Poland, or so I've been told. The courts should be obliged to force EU citizens that partake in such scams to cough up all the deportation costs of foreign nationals.

grahambarber

Apr 2, 11, 19:56 #27

JonnyM:

Fake marriages were around long before then!

yes maybe but marrying a polish citizen then you have uk citizenship is crazy insane and i have no idea how this has been allowed to happen we are the laughing stock of Europe the country stinks , it's like me marrying a Romanian woman then getting citizenship in the United States it's ludacris, nobody asked for this nobody wanted it except the political elite we have over a million under 25's out of work probably 2-3 million 25's to 55's maybe even four million , under new labour our manufacturing went under even the conservatives pre thatcher years and continued under new labour we don't look after our own the EU has been the biggest disaster to working class brits open door policies to former communist states who the UK has no cultural connections with or similarities with they just happen to be in Europe , i mean what country would just do that open borders to whoever wants to come no visa's no short term period just whoever wants to come can it doesn't matter if 6-7-8 million east europeans come here just let it happen what a disaster , yet we stop Australians and Americans New Zealander's etc country's who we share value's with and history not to mention the language with , it's crazy so so crazy i mean Germany create jobs for their own people they employ over 300,000 in VW alone not to mention 40 other top manufacturing companys we have nothing , nothing a class ridden hell hole with no proper jobs no industry and millions of eastern europeans and apparently it doesn't matter if they've committed serious crimes in Poland Lithuania etc they can still just come here and work keeping wages low and destroying industry i mean what country would ever do that to their own people ? France and Germany said it would create a massive underclass within their own society's and it's done more than that here alright the country is a disgrace a total disgrace

rozumiemnicThreads: 4 Posts: 1,021 Joined: Nov 16, 09 ♀	Apr 2, 11, 20:04 #28
I understand you feel strongly about this grahambarber and do agree with many of your points, however have you thought that previous to Poland joining the EU, it was other nationalities who could have done this, (and did it ) e.g. Italian or Irish or whoever. I wonder if you just buying into what you might read in the more rabid tabloid papers in Britian without really thinking it through.

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Edited by: Lodz_The_Boat Apr 2, 11, 20:05 #29

IN THIS THREAD NO POLE HAS ANYTHING NEGATIVE GIVEN INTO ANYONE ... THE POSTERS WHO ARE BUSY TRYING TO PUSH IT TO A LEVEL OF BREEDING HATRED, INSULT OR STEREOTYPICAL OVER PARTICULAR PEOPLE ARE BASICALLY PF TROLLS, HATERS (REGULAR), AND THOSE WHO LOOK DOWN ON POLES WITH SPECTACULAR CONSISTENCY.

From a Polish friend to all who are dignified, and we are aware that good people make alot less noise than those who are worse.

LTB.

A Pole's perspective on people and friends and guests: A Personal Request to all PF members

Love all from anywhere in the world who dont make us feel wrong about anyone. Yes there are bad things in the world, but there is much more good for any one unit of bad ... so much more that it keeps the world moving towards life and hope every single sunrise :) ... Thank you!

rozumiemnicThreads: 4 Posts: 1,021 Joined: Nov 16, 09 ♀	Apr 2, 11, 20:09 #30
Lodz_The_Boat: good people make alot less noise than those who are worse. Well you are the one who is SHOUTING...:) There ya go again LTB

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