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 Sep 20, 11, 03:34    #61
Seeing as this thread touches on the supposed mistreatment of Poles then I will continue to shed light on this.

I didnt say the Poles had been mistreated,I just said that the effect of people coming here who didnt know what wages to demand has led to a drive down in a lot of wages.....everyone therefore is being "mistreated" in that respect.

Firstly, the Poles ARE at fault here because Poland is obviously failing at providing it's citizens with adequete work and pay

So,you think its young Tomek stacking shelves in Aldi's fault that his country didnt have the economic advantages ours did in 04 then? Very rational I must say....

and the Poles are not doing enough themself to correct the situation.

Give over.... what are YOU doing,in your position in a garden centre, to correct the economic situation in Britain? What do you think you could do?

This is NOT down to number 10, immigration law is the same throughout EU member countries. OPEN DOOR policy.

Doesnt matter how many words you put in capitols,you are still wrong. In 04 ,untill last year infact, it was only the UK that allowed free movement to Poles to come and work here,Germany and France etc did NOT have an open door policy,so,yes,it was OUR governments fault.

So unfortunate young Brits will continue to suffer due to an obvious lack of empathy on the part of these Poles.

Now you are just being a pillock.

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 Sep 20, 11, 03:43    #62
Seeing as this thread touches on the supposed mistreatment of Poles then I will continue to shed light on this.

I didnt say the Poles had been mistreated,I just said that the effect of people coming here who didnt know what wages to demand has led to a drive down in a lot of wages.....everyone therefore is being "mistreated" in that respect.

Firstly, the Poles ARE at fault here because Poland is obviously failing at providing it's citizens with adequete work and pay

So,you think its young Tomek stacking shelves in Aldi's fault that his country didnt have the economic advantages ours did in 04 then? Very rational I must say....

and the Poles are not doing enough themself to correct the situation.

Give over.... what are YOU doing,in your position in a garden centre, to correct the economic situation in Britain? What do you think you could do?

This is NOT down to number 10, immigration law is the same throughout EU member countries. OPEN DOOR policy.

Doesnt matter how many words you put in capitols,you are still wrong. In 04 ,untill last year infact, it was only the UK that allowed free movement to Poles to come and work here,Germany and France etc did NOT have an open door policy,so,yes,it was OUR governments fault.

So unfortunate young Brits will continue to suffer due to an obvious lack of empathy on the part of these Poles.

Now you are just being a pillock.


You have completely missed the point by turning this into Poland vs Britain. It's always the same with you people.
I'm not going to waste energy on such a measly topic.

I hope that the situation changes in Poland, so that it is attractive to it's own citizens. This will be a win for Polish people.

when the UK economy is also better it will be a win for British people. See how that works?
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Edited by: hague1cmaeron  Sep 20, 11, 08:17    #63
Firstly, the Poles ARE at fault here because Poland is obviously failing at providing it's citizens with adequete work and pay, and the Poles are not doing enough themself to correct the situation.
This is NOT down to number 10, immigration law is the same throughout EU member countries. OPEN DOOR policy.

Yes the British may demand more for their work, but as we can see by your own comment, It isn't just Brits who want better pay, the Poles want it to, and they get it here, but are not demanding it enough in their home land. We all know it's easier to pack up shop and go elsewhere isn't it?...

Yet again Robin i find that your intelligence is letting you down on this thread as well. How can you fault the Poles for seeking to make a better life for themselves, would you blame all Englishmen working abroad as well? And since you think that is it so easy to 'Pack up shop and move' as you've put it, I take it you know that to be the case from personal experience, have you ever tried moving to another country and learning another language? Now we have already established that you are not the brightest chap around, so i fancy you would find it quite hard-especially with your regional accent which I am almost certain you have (in my experience low intelligence and that usually go together in the UK, as does stupidity and voting Labour) so in short I am sure you would find it quite hard to communicate in your own language, and yet you seem to think that moving abroad is easy?

As for Poland's economic situation, I can assure you that the country is going from strength to strength and continually improving, so don't worry there will come a time in the not to distant future when Poles will stay in their own country instead of moving abroad and putting up with bigots like you, and a lot of them will come back as well. So people like yourself won't have to compete with somebody more intelligent and motivated, you will afforded the luxury of sitting on your ass claiming benefits and voting Labour again-and complaining about the very expensive bill you just received for renovating your porch.
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 Sep 20, 11, 15:34    #64
with your regional accent which I am almost certain you have

Whats that got to do with the price of fish? Everyone in Britain has a "regional accent".......stick to the side of angels with your argument and Im with you all the way, insult my regional accent and yer on yer own lad :)
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 Sep 20, 11, 15:36    #65
you are not the brightest chap around, so i fancy you would find it quite hard-especially with your regional accent which I am almost certain you have (in my experience low intelligence and that usually go together in the UK, as does stupidity and voting Labour)

hang on........what exactly are you saying here? That anyone with a regional accent is stupid??
That's one of the most cretinous statements I have read here yet. And that is saying something.
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 Sep 20, 11, 15:42    #66
To be fair to him Roz', maybe he only knows Brum and Scouse accents.....in which case,erm..... ;)
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 Sep 20, 11, 15:48    #67
hehehe, or Black Country??
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 Sep 20, 11, 16:05    #68
hehehe, or Black Country??

What? Notting Hill??

budum,tshh ;)
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 Sep 20, 11, 18:19    #69
hang on........what exactly are you saying here? That anyone with a regional accent is stupid??
That's one of the most cretinous statements I have read here yet. And that is saying something.


Hardly surprising, really; when they were giving out the wasteman awards, he wasn't exactly at the back of the queue.

What? Notting Hill??

budum,tshh ;)


I must admit that I like Black Country accents. It's Birmingham that's horrible :)
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 Sep 20, 11, 20:12    #70
I like Black Country accents

Yow tew can speek Blachoochray.....if yow loike
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 Sep 20, 11, 20:26    #71
Oim tellin yow oi need annuva Brewy Leven to gow wiv moy faggits an pays, bab... lol
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 Sep 20, 11, 20:42    #72
Oim tellin yow oi need annuva Brewy Leven to gow wiv moy faggits an pays, bab... lol


divvent gan off topic.
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Edited by: rozumiemnic  Sep 20, 11, 21:06    #73
Yow're joost jellus coz Oi'm considerablay reeecher than yow are ......Oi've gotta a beemdubblyow and yow've ownly got that owld roostbookitt.....
sorry sorry mr mod....
anyway it's a silly thread, Polish are just people who live here..:), not victims or criminals.....(well .....ok)
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 Sep 20, 11, 21:17    #74
Yow're joost jellus coz Oi'm considerablay reeecher than yow are ......Oi've gotta a beemdubblyow and yow've ownly got that owld roostbookitt.....
sorry sorry mr mod....
anyway it's a silly thread, Polish are just people who live here..:), not victims or criminals.....(well .....ok)


:D

Please stay on topic


;)


anyway it's a silly thread, Polish are just people who live here..:), not victims or criminals.....(well .....ok)


Seanus: Some are, some aren't.

I'm sure there's a few social workers/lawyers who would just love to convince them that they're "victims"... (rolleyes) ;)
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 Sep 20, 11, 22:26    #75
Thanks, Sid. You beat me to it :) I was just going to say, why be black&white about the thread?

Really, people need to learn meditation and not spout rubbish. Simplify and move on :)
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Edited by: hague1cmaeron  Sep 21, 11, 00:46    #76
hang on........what exactly are you saying here? That anyone with a regional accent is stupid??

It's common knowledge, (and personally i have never been mistaken on this) that you can distinguish an Englishman by their accent. The moment they open their mouth you can make a very accurate guess as to their education and social status.

Hardly surprising, really; when they were giving out the wasteman awards, he wasn't exactly at the back of the queue.

It's you again, I see that you still haven't apologized for lying earlier in the threat-this tells me all I need to know about the character you are.

Not only are you a liar, but completely two faced. For everyone who wants to now why, look at section 2 of the thread. I bet you have one of those thick accents.
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 Sep 21, 11, 01:55    #77
Lols....a Roo molesting sheep worrier has a pop at accents......you gotta be jokin blue....
There are 2 Ozzie accents
1 Whinny and annoying with a pointless raised inflection
2 REALLY whinny and annoying with a pointless raised inflection
Neither of which, truth be told inspire many thoughts of an education much beyond 8th grade....
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 Sep 21, 11, 10:53    #78
It's common knowledge, (and personally i have never been mistaken on this) that you can distinguish an Englishman by their accent. The moment they open their mouth you can make a very accurate guess as to their education and social status.

well that may be.....but educated people still have regional accents....or are you one of those Ozzie hyper snobs stuck in the dark ages who think that only the 'Queens English' is valid?
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Edited by: hague1cmaeron  Sep 21, 11, 12:10    #79
Lols....a Roo molesting sheep worrier has a pop at accents......you gotta be jokin blue....
There are 2 Ozzie accents

You presume too much, I don't have an Australian accent. And a lot of Australians have neither of the accents you describe, most Australians are generally far more intelligible than the majority of Brits.

well that may be.....but educated people still have regional accents....or are you one of those Ozzie hyper snobs stuck in the dark ages who think that only the 'Queens English' is valid?

No, that is too old fashioned and artificial. Something in between would be good though.
PolishBread-OK  Dec 21, 11, 21:42    #80
In Leeds, Northern England, we have literally thousands of Poles. I have never heard of any being attacked or humiliated.
It might well be that an ordinary fight may have taken place, ordinary in the sense that young men of mixed nationality often meet
in public houses, or when walking past each and a silly fight occurs, but I have not heard of any outright racist violence towards Poles.
Poles are popular in England, and in time will blend into English greater society and become 'one of us'. Its a different situation with Indians, Pakistanis and Muslims. The hatred for them is intense and most Brits want them out, common sense, reason or humanity towards them has completely dissapeared and I have heard people openly say gas them, drown them, get them out.
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 Dec 21, 11, 22:16    #81
This just about sums it up


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 Dec 21, 11, 22:35    #82
Gillian Duffy was right.
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Edited by: Ironside  Dec 21, 11, 22:36    #83
criminals by the virtue of coming to that glorious country and spoiling it all for others - no connection whatsoever with the gov policy and decisions- decent people would abstain form puring in in such a number!
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 Dec 21, 11, 22:48    #84
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2034930/Crime-EU-migrants-treb les--throw-out.html

Facts speak for themselves, Eastern European migration has put crime figures up, many of them are indeed Poles, however the majority of the serious Eastern European crime is committed by Romanian gypsies.
upset23  Jan 3, 12, 12:31    #85
Most Polish people I have met are good honest hard working decent people. However I have Polish neighbours who are the neighbours from hell. They have fly tipped, thrown cigarettes into a calor gas storage area causing a fire. Play load music from early in the morning to midnight. Never ever go out and are in my face 24/7. Work spasmodically cash in hand but claim housing and child benefits. Child runs around on floor every day until midnight as never allowed out. Adults regularly drunk and shouting and egging child on to make as much noise as possible. Having these eveil rotten neighbours has ruined my life. It is because of people like them that good people have to suffer intolerance
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 Jan 3, 12, 13:03    #86
upset23:
I have Polish neighbours who are the neighbours from hell. They have fly tipped, thrown cigarettes into a calor gas storage area causing a fire. Play load music from early in the morning to midnight. Never ever go out and are in my face 24/7. Work spasmodically cash in hand but claim housing and child benefits. Child runs around on floor every day until midnight as never allowed out. Adults regularly drunk and shouting and egging child on to make as much noise as possible. Having these eveil rotten neighbours has ruined my life. It is because of people like them that good people have to suffer intolerance

I suspect they are quite young. If they are as bad as you say, there's a problem. In Poland if somebody had neighbours like that they would not hesitate to do everything they could to have them evicted. In fact it is normal in PL to call the police if there is noise after 10 pm, and to complain to the Spoldzienia (Housing co-operative).

You should do the same - it is quite easy to complain about loud music and the Noise Abatement Society would help you. Social Services are a possibilty if they are drunk while the child is around.
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Edited by: rozumiemnic  Jan 3, 12, 14:47    #87
upset23:
Having these eveil rotten neighbours has ruined my life

so do not let this happen!! Do not be a victim!
you can contact the council about the noise and the fly tipping, and as Jonny said, social services about the kid.
Make their life hell instead. It will only take a few very easy phone calls.
Oh and most importantly, keep a diary of noise/incidents.
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Edited by: Sidliste_Chodov  Jan 3, 12, 15:03    #88
JonnyM:
In Poland if somebody had neighbours like that they would not hesitate to do everything they could to have them evicted. In fact it is normal in PL to call the police if there is noise after 10 pm, and to complain to the Spoldzienia (Housing co-operative).


Unfortunately, in some parts of this country, it's not quite so simple, because it depends on what kind of neighbours you have. Some will accept the warning, but others will set fire to your house, or stab you up for complaining - and I imagine that this is far more likely to happen over here than in Poland.
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Edited by: rozumiemnic  Jan 3, 12, 15:12    #89
Sidliste_Chodov:
Some will accept the warning, but others will set fire to your house, or stab you up for complaining - and I imagine that this is far more likely to happen over here than in Poland.

I was worried about reportiing this drug addicted *****, and was sick of her asbo kids hanging about in the street, attacking mine, while she entertained her customers, but in the end it only took one call to end the problem to as unknown to me her place was already under police observation.
All I had to suffer was one 'dirty look'. We should not be scared.
The law is on our side, after all.
Besides I doubt this is some inner city estate, as there is no mains gas.


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