Polish immigration in UK

jareck8

Nov 2, 07, 10:07 #91

Quoting: BubbaWoo

im sure this morning as i cast my eyes of the papers in the shop there was a headline screaming that immigrants are taking ALL our jobs and houses...

thats becasue you are too lazy to work and earn proepr money, just like laving work at 4:45pm, live and ide in the pub, go on 2 holidays a year, and the poor credit market and debt... its mainly brits who are very materialistc and love shopping,, did you know most poles couldnt have a debit or credit card till last year june, so most people soaking up the debt were brits.. the reality is if yuo can be bothered to work then someone else will..

some brits work hard.. i admit that

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Nov 2, 07, 10:08 #92
If they are buying houses they must be earning bloody good money. Time to move back I think. I said on this forum, a year ago, that immigrants would be blamed for the country's woes. And I still believe that some of this venom will be expressed in violence as time time goes on.

miranda	Nov 2, 07, 10:11 #93
Quoting: Wroclaw And I still believe that some of this venom will be expressed in violence as time time goes on. lets hope that it won't

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06 ♂	Nov 2, 07, 10:11 #94
Quoting: jareck8 thats becasue you are too lazy dont confuse lazyness with careful planning and calculated risks if you want to get up and go and work for someone everymorning this is entirely upto you i decided fairly early on in life that this was a mugs game and now i live a life where i dont have to get up early if i dont want to clown

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06 ♂	Nov 2, 07, 10:12 #95
Quoting: Wroclaw And I still believe that some of this venom will be expressed in violence as time time goes on. inevitable

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Nov 2, 07, 10:14 #96
Quoting: jareck8 did you know most poles couldnt have a debit or credit card till last year june What are you jabbering on about ? Credit cards have been around for about 15yrs in Poland.

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Nov 2, 07, 10:16 #97

Quoting: BubbaWoo

inevitable

Guys...is Enoch Powell alive and well.................................on this board...come on!!!!????

The only inevitabilty is a downturn in the economic cycle....plus if immigrants either appear better off at someone else expense or if they feel poorly treated, things may get a bit fractious......as long as there are jobs, and things expand...it will all be hunky dory......but not inevitable, in the sense that it will all end in tears!

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Nov 2, 07, 10:20 #98
Quoting: Frank things may get a bit fractious...... OK. I said 'some'. I don't expect mass riots.

miranda	Edited by: miranda Nov 2, 07, 10:20 #99
Quoting: Frank but not inevitable, in the sense that it will all end in tears! so are you saying yes or no - I am a bit confused with your post

jareck8	Nov 2, 07, 10:24 #100
Quoting: Wroclaw What are you jabbering on about ? Credit cards have been around for about 15yrs in Poland. english classes my friend... take them.. i was talking about the state of the british economy... they are in debt and dont want to work.. northern rock scenario has nothing to do with poles in UK.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06 ♂	Nov 2, 07, 10:25 #101
i really believe it is inevitable frank - its just a matter of time - i dont get any satisfaction from this

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Nov 2, 07, 10:49 #102
Quoting: jareck8 northern rock scenario has nothing to do with poles in UK. As you mentioned in ..... Which post ? What is the relevance of this comment ? As for the English language, I'm still learning. But these days it's from the nonsensical Polish/English encountered in posts like yours.

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Nov 2, 07, 10:59 #103

Quoting: BubbaWoo

i really believe it is inevitable frank -

I will be optimistic B.........things are a lot different from 20/30/40 years ago when English landladies had signs in their windows saying "No Blacks, dogs or Irish"

Things have moved on considerably.....EU and national protections/rights, regulations and a lot more wealth to go around. Plus I think the Polish immigrant group will be pro-active in asserting themselves in difficult situations, they have pride, skills, good attitude..I spoke to one young Polish girl today who wanted info on equivalencies of her qualifications from Poland to the UK......her enthusiasm was palpably embarrassing!

Polish people will prove an asset to the EU as long as their our government doesnt stand in their way, not other governments and groups act like primitives.

jareck8

Nov 2, 07, 11:27 #104

Quoting: Wroclaw

As you mentioned in ..... Which post ? What is the relevance of this comment ?

As for the English language, I'm still learning. But these days it's from the nonsensical Polish/English encountered in posts like yours.

you know if you read a thread maybe read a few before it because it will have some sort of conenction, people are blaming polish people and soemone mentioned the state of the UK economy in particular northern rock, i was pointing out that there are other factors involved. - sub prime and debt

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Edited by: ShelleyS Nov 2, 07, 11:32 #105

Quoting: BubbaWoo

i really believe it is inevitable frank - its just a matter of time - i dont get any satisfaction from this

I said this last year, tensions are rising in the UK amongst the masses, its not just your low life cant work wont work chav thats grumbling and having a downer on Poles its a lot wider than that....and with the possibilty (strong possibility) of a massive down turn in the property market and an estiimated 45,000 reposessions next year, things are going to get more tense! Because if history hs taught us anything in this country, its the housing market that has caused recessions.

a1makji

Nov 2, 07, 11:42 #106

Quoting: iwona

I don't understand it.

1-2 years ago there were mainly single people or couples who worked in Uk. Some of them came back some settled in Uk and started family.

Now, there are more and more families who have moved here with small children. Is it better here? Very high house prices, council taxes, .....

How long it take to save for deposit to get mortgage here?
If they have to rent house....after all renting costs are they really better here?

it si strange as British people are fed up with house prices here and move to Italy, France, USA......

yes it is better for the poles in england they can work for a year or so call there children and spouse over then go stright to the job centre get a councill house and all the bills payed on the dole it happens all over the country there are thosands of polish people abousing the systen all they even walk into the job centre and show proof of there children while they are in poland they get benifits for the hole family so why not eat drink and sleep for free and provide the family back home whith a stable income all of the tax payer.

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Nov 2, 07, 11:51 #107

Quoting: Frank

I think the Polish immigrant group will be pro-active in asserting themselves in difficult situations, they have pride

thats not my concern and whilst the polish immigration phenomina has no doubt impacted heavily on the country in the last couple of years they are just part of england's increasing immigrant population

my concern is the impact that continued mass immigration is going to have on the country - and i think, as a country, we are starting to feel this impact already - we need to be aware of this and act accordingly... not only for the sake of britain and the british but also the immigrants who have come here to make this country their home...

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Nov 2, 07, 11:54 #108
Quoting: BubbaWoo my concern is the impact that continued mass immigration is going to have on the country 1066 all over again? :)

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06 ♂	Nov 2, 07, 11:55 #109
yeah but lets be carefull who gets poked in the eye this time

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Nov 2, 07, 11:59 #110
Quoting: BubbaWoo yeah but lets be carefull who gets poked in the eye this time Do you think there are enough pure English left to throw Normans out of the Island?

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Edited by: Frank Nov 2, 07, 12:03 #111

Yes, Bubb agree...but why does it have to be a negative impact......?

After all there are huge numbers of overseas nurses and drs in the UK.......without whom, the health service would crumble in a matter of weeks.

The same in other areas of work.....very reliant on non-nationals....UK has been swamped or indeed has welcomed, wave upon wave of migrants for centuries..some legal some not, this is just another chapter, there isn't a blue print for how many is too many...just anecdotal guesses from those whose job it is to guess.....then get it wrong...:).......aka...politicians, civil servants and other academic..."experts".

Back in the seventies that other beacon of humanity Idi Amin expelled 60000 or so Asians from Uganda, literally over night, with just the clothes they stood up in and £100 or so in exportable cash..........it was no fun for a while......but they made in the UK, this time Polish people arrive legally, most speak reasonable english, hold down 1/2/3 jobs, act responsibly, pay their taxes and positively contribute to the British nation.

I'd say good on them......I salute their risk taking, attitudes and hard work........all necessary to succeed in life anywhere!

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Nov 2, 07, 12:39 #112

i agree with you too frank - there are many positives to immigrants in our country and as someone who has travelled, worked and lived abroad for most of my adult life i am the last person who would want to prevent others from having this life changing opportunity

but we are a small island country with limited resources and continued mass immigration is something we face, have to come to terms with and confront full-on before the positives become overwhelmingly outweighed by the negatives - and i believe this will come about sooner rather than later and choosing to ignore this will only lead to bigger problems later on

lennyd

Nov 2, 07, 15:31 #113

ok yes of course i'm against polish immigration it carries no benefits to the latter population of our native people , so yes i have polish here saying i'm a disgrace , a lot of people feel this way they keep wages down and make it harder for people to boost their own prospects , most people here from polska send more money back home then they add to british society even david cameron admits that we would benefit as a nation if immigration was lower , what i'm saying is we need to look after our own people before helping poor EU nations ,people just look up migration watch uk and you will find proper statistics to how these eastern europeans are no benefit to our economy in the long run and most of the money they earn here is taken out and benefiting poland, i myself have lost two jobs to polish immigrants because they worl for nothing and live 8 in a house saving cash so they can buy property or land in their own ex communist state, not just me there is many people i know who have been victim to this madness and to the idiot who said we elected a government so we made this decision NO WE DIDN'T THIS LABOUR MADE THIS CRAZY DECISION TOTALLY UNDERESTIMATING THE AMOUNT COMING HERE IF WE HAD A PROPER REFERENDUM WE WOULD PUT AN END TO THIS MADNESS

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Nov 2, 07, 15:38 #114
If a boost to an ageing population helps to keep an economic crisis away by bringing in taxes, a strong economy keeps unemployment down, then what is the problem? There is probably more of a problem where the working-age population is leaving towns and villages with little more than a few old folks.

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Nov 2, 07, 16:32 #115

Quoting: jareck8

was talking about the state of the british economy... they are in debt and dont want to work..

what a tosspot idea,if "they" are in debt Im sure they are working hard.......take your half baked bigotry somewhere else mate...

Quoting: Frank

After all there are huge numbers of overseas nurses and drs in the UK.......without whom, the health service would crumble in a matter of weeks.

or alternativly can be blamed for the transfer of third world standards to our wards...90 people died in one hospital from a preventable disease,lets see where the cleaning staff etc hailed from,not local im sure....

Quoting: Frank

Idi Amin expelled 60000 or so Asians from Uganda, literally over night,

Actually he gave them 3 months notice to leave(not a deence ,just check your facts please)

lenny d ,good luck with your job hunting,I can empathies but dont blame the Pole given "your" job,blame the F ing managment that love cheap labour and shaft anyone to get it.

FrankThreads: 27 Posts: 1,342 Joined: Aug 14, 06 ♂	Nov 2, 07, 17:24 #116
Quoting: isthatu literally over night, Oh, sorry you mis-interpreted my line.......didn't say it was over night.....( just check your knowledge of English....:)...) Quoting: isthatu blame the F ing managment that love cheap labour and shaft anyone to get it. Such naivety in the ways of the world!

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07 ♂	Nov 2, 07, 18:10 #117
are you for real frank? its in your post "overnight"....... I suppose you have all the answers dont you frank,or are you just an objectionable snob who ,once proven to have made some silly mistakes lashes out with caty insults?

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07 ♂	Nov 2, 07, 18:13 #118
Quoting: Frank Such naivety in the ways of the world! really, I suppose then the opposite must be true,managment want to pay the highest wages and see profits cut do they,thats why we all out source to the third world or eastern europe now is it? dont tell someone they are nieve when your point of veiw is simplistic to say the least....

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Nov 3, 07, 04:58 #119

How about we reach a compromise - the UK can immediately remove the top 100,000 foreign nationals costing the British citizen the most money? Hell I'm feeling generous - lets make it 500,000 or even a million!

Now before the Pole bashers get excited, not one single Pole will be leaving the UK as they are not a drain on Britain when considered against other ethnic groups.

Now here comes the good news - if we remove one million immigrant drainers, you'll be saving the British government nearly 300,000,000.

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Nov 3, 07, 05:11 #120

Liza...even better...why not cul the elderly...!!! Maybe deport the criminal population to a warm offshore island...cut down on prison managemant costs plus heating...aaahhheeemmmm........and then the other 10% long term feckless kinds and chavs........give them holiday vouchers to stay in Poland for an indefinite period!!!

Then the Polish population will feel as if the UK has really sold them out!!!!!!!

Its wots known as a result!!

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