Polish and Irish people are related?

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Edited by: Teffle Jan 18, 11, 13:39 #121

puella:

Teffle in Polish mentioning means mentioning and quoting means quoting.

No, it's not what I meant in this case.

E.g. Puella stated "mentioning means mentioning"

Puella said that mentioning and mentioning were the same.

Puella indicated that in her opinion mentioning and quoting were not necessarily the same.

It appeared to some observers I spoke to that Puella had differing views.

etc etc

There are lots of ways of saying things and it can move further and further away and become more vague all the time. For the purposes of the legislation quoting may not exactly mean "..."

puella:

You should check the orginal Polish source of that verdict.

I'll need someone like you to do that I'm afraid!

(I have very little Polish)

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Jan 18, 11, 13:49 #122

Teffle:

I'll need someone like you to do that I'm afraid!

If I've only knew where to look for it... ;)

Teffle:

http://en.rsf.org/report-poland,125.html

btw. is it a proof of good joirnalistic job when an article misspell the name of a president? It should be Kaczyński not "Kackzynski". That's quite amusing ;D

I think that Monika Olejnik is more in power than whole PiS was ever and that's PiS who should be aware of what TVN says about them, not contrary.

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Jan 18, 11, 13:57 #123

OK puella - I really don't want to overstate all of this about the media.

It's not that I think Poland's media is under some sort of iron fist - not at all. I was just aware of the press freedom rankings and the rest of the posts just followed - I didn't even know about this legislation until this thread.

I'm sure the rankings are not flawless - but the relative positioning of other countries seemed to make sense. Also, the legislation was not the only issue that the site had with Polish media.

The whole thing stems from a by now long forgotten reference to church & state about 4 pages ago !

: )

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Edited by: puella Jan 18, 11, 13:58 #124

Teffle:

No, it's not what I meant in this case.

E.g. Puella stated "mentioning means mentioning"

Puella said that mentioning and mentioning were the same.

Puella indicated that in her opinion mentioning and quoting were not necessarily the same.

It appeared to some observers I spoke to that Puella had differing views.

etc etc

There are lots of ways of saying things and it can move further and further away and become more vague all the time. For the purposes of the legislation quoting may not exactly mean "..."

and yes and it's also a quoting but indirect. You can say that someone believes in things that he/she really don't agree with.
Example:

Mr German said in the interview that he admires of Hitler's tactic plans of Blitz Krieg as a really well organized military action as well as Napoleon Bonaparte military genius.

Mr German said that he admires Hitler. Mr German compared Hitler to Napoleon.

Wouldn't it be a manipulation changing the intention of Mr German who is just a military tactic passionate?

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Jan 18, 11, 14:29 #125
In this case yes, of course.

puellaThreads: 9 Posts: 319 Joined: Jan 10, 11 ♀	Jan 18, 11, 14:36 #126
Teffle: In this case yes, of course. Nevertheless I don't think that anyone phoned Kaczynski to ask him if he really stated that in the coffin burried in Wawel Castle he didn't recognized his brother, let alone the permission for publishing it ;)

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Edited by: hague1cmaeron Jul 14, 11, 02:32 #127

puella:

OK puella - I really don't want to overstate all of this about the media.

It's not that I think Poland's media is under some sort of iron fist - not at all. I was just aware of the press freedom rankings and the rest of the posts just followed - I didn't even know about this legislation until this thread.

I'm sure the rankings are not flawless - but the relative positioning of other countries seemed to make sense. Also, the legislation was not the only issue that the site had with Polish media.

The whole thing stems from a by now long forgotten reference to church & state about 4 pages ago !

Are still such an ardent defender of press freedom in light of recent developments in the UK, and do you still look askance at Polish the system, or have the scales finally fallen from your eyes and you have come to appreciate the wisdom of my words? (:

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Jul 15, 11, 19:02 #128

Overall I think it is more of the history I think Poles & Irish have had similar histories of Opression. But, I think Scots are more like us. as Scots gave English much more trouble much like the Poles gave Germans & Russians much more trouble. Also Scots made up alot of Intellectuals in England like Poles made up alot of Intellectuals in Germany & Russia.

Scotland had remarkable victories against England when they were well outnumbered like in the first & 2nd Scottish wars of Indenpedence.
Much like how Poles with a lower population beat Germans in the Battle of Plowce & Lubieszow with smaller troops & Russians in the Battle of Klushino with less troops.

Irish people are actually one of the furthest people from Poles by genes in Europe.
I think Iberians are the only people who are further away from Poles by genes.

The main haplogroup of Poles is R1a.
Ireland barely even has R1a. I believe Ireland is like 3 percent R1a. While Poland is like 56 percent R1a haplogroup.

The closest genetic relatives of Poles in the British Isles are actually the Scottish as the Scots have the most R1a haplogroup in Western Europe.

But, maybe the blood types explain a little. Scotland has the highest B Blood type in Western Europe & Ireland has the 2nd highest B Blood type in Western Europe.

B blood type is higher in Eastern Europeans. I believe Baltic people especially Latvians & Russians have the most B Blood type in Europe.
But, Poles also have a high level of B blood type at about 18 percent.
I believe Latvians are 24 percent B Blood & Russians 23 percent.

Scots I believe are 12 percent B Blood & Irish are 11 percent B Blood type.

Which is higher than most of Western Europe. Alot of Western Europe is between 4 & 12 percent B blood type ( With Scots highest at 12 percent.
But with averages like 5-8 percent usually

B Blood type has a stronger association with Central Asia. So, that might explain it. R haplogroup which includes R1a & R1b has rootsi n or near Central Asia.

So my guess is that Celts like Scots & Iriish perhaps have a little closer connection to Central Asia than other Western Europeans.

Which may explain why they are more like Poles.

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 15, 11, 19:16 #129
Poland and Ireland are two of the few countries in Europe that, despite never being under the dominion of imperial Rome, stayed almost completely Roman Catholic when the Reformation came. Other places that were never under imperial Roman sway such as Scandinavia, Scotland, and non-Rhenish Germany, were quick to throw off the yoke of ecclesiastical Rome.

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Jul 16, 11, 04:11 #130

Des Essientes:

Poland and Ireland are two of the few countries in Europe that, despite never being under the dominion of imperial Rome, stayed almost completely Roman Catholic when the Reformation came. Other places that were never under imperial Roman sway such as Scandinavia, Scotland, and non-Rhenish Germany, were quick to throw off the yoke of ecclesiastical Rome.

Interesting I did not think of it that way.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jul 16, 11, 12:54 #131
PolskiMoc: But, I think Scots are more like us We are certainly not like you. For a start, we don't spend our time eating cheeseburgers and thinking up ridiculous racial theories to post online.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Jul 16, 11, 12:56 #132
PolskiMocz: I think Scots are more like us Who do you mean by 'us'?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 16, 11, 12:56 #133
Delph, I can see his point. Besides, many Scots spend their time eating cheeseburgers and think up ridiculous racial theories to post online :( Poles and Irish folk can be similar but the sheer numbers of Poles have put a dampener on that.

teflcatThreads: 6 Posts: 1,076 Joined: May 29, 11 ♂	Jul 16, 11, 13:01 #134
JonnyM: Who do you mean by 'us'? I think he means Polish people. Mr Mocz has a close affinty to Poland and Poles loosely based on his insane white supremacist delusions and the fact that his great grandmother was half Polish. I hear he's thinking of even coming here if he can get off his fat arse and tear himself away from neo-nazi websites.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09 ♂	Jul 16, 11, 13:40 #135
"There are few virtues that the Poles do not possess and there are few errors they have ever avoided." ........... Winston Churchill "Poles are like the Irish, only more so".....................Winston Churchill

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Jul 16, 11, 13:45 #136

"Could he not find in his heart the generosity to acknowledge that there is a small nation that stood alone not for one year or two, but for several hundred years against aggression; that endured spoliations, famines, massacres in endless succession; that was clubbed many times into insensibility, but that each time on returning [to] consciousness took up the fight anew; a small nation that could never be got to accept defeat and has never surrendered her soul?”
- Eamon De Valera, on Victory Day in Europe, May 8, 1945, responding in a radio speech to criticism by Winston Churchill of Ireland’s neutrality in World War II, a speech in which De Valera also thanked Churchill for not invading Ireland.

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Jul 16, 11, 13:51 #137

Poland: The heaven of the nobility; paradise of the Jews, purgatory of the common man, and hell of the peasant; the gold-mine of foreigners, and the source of feminine luxury. Rich in wool, it is yet without cloth, grows flax in overabundance, and yet imports linen from abroad, favours all foreign goods and belittles its domestic products, boasts of its costly purchases and despises everything that is cheap.
Italian saying

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Jul 16, 11, 14:14 #138

These guys crack me up. I was born in a part of London where a lot of Irish people lived. My mother was Irish and our family life was heavily influenced by Irish culture. Having said that, I would never in a hundred years presume to talk about Ireland by using the pronoun We. I do not feel entitled to pontificate on Irish affairs and I would never look down my nose at non-Irish people living in and paying tax in Ireland.

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