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 Jan 26, 12, 11:26    #421
RevokeNice:
If I move to Bangladesh, have a child with me Irish partner, can that child claim to be Bangladeshi and claim it as his or her own nation?


most probably, they would instantly kill you in doing so.

Whites are not welcome in muslim-majority asian/middle eastern countries - they threaten us to the bone.

Yet we welcome them with open arms into our own countries.

Pathetic, are we?

Banglish  Jan 26, 12, 11:35    #422
They will all speak their Brit accents, which will be local to where they now or in the future live. They will be indiscernible mostly from the common folk there, except for occasional feast of golonka, kie³basa and pierogi. Can your nation achieve that ever?

Zman - That is precisely the point I am making. You folks are of European descent and appearance-wise pretty much the same, so it is much easier for you to integrate, if you want to try. Its far more difficult for a person who comes from Asia, Africa, China, and where ever. Despite this fact, the English have put up with us, knowing full well that even if we intergrate perfectly, our appearance will always make us different. They have taken the difficult path, which other nations are not willing to take. Its taken years, and yes - great many of us have integrated - and yes - I have perfect English accent, and so do my children. This is my nation now. I left my country of origin precisely because it isn't what UK is. No, my country of origin cannot achieve what UK has achieved. Neither can Poland.

A piece of paper or a wee passport does not make one British/Polish/Irish/Whatever. You are not indigenous to europe. Ergo, you cannot claim to be part of any european nationality.

RevokeNice - That is your claim. You are probably an unreformed Pole. The British, as a nation, think otherwise. They say I am British, I say I am British, and so I am British. No doubt, enlightened poles in UK will have a different view from you. I have no qualms with Poles with a positive attitude. I can't ever imagine Poland as a nation doing that. That's why I am in UK, not Poland.

Being a person of European descent does not make all Europeans the same. There are differences that make each European nation distinct and very different from one another. Differences that caused WWI and WWII. So, while a Pole can get away looking pretty much the same as an Englishman (though even there, there are differences), Polish attitudes towards race and religion are a dead giveaway - much like our skin colour. One can be ethnically European, but It takes more than descent to be British. Its attitudes and outlook that counts, and one does not have to be ethnically European to be British, as the British nation have clearly demonstrated, a feat not achievable by Poland, or my country of origin. So, please follow their good example. I can be brown, and still be British. Yes - Yes I can. Wow.
A piece of paper, or more precisely, the EU Treaty, is what allowed so many Poles to come to UK and made all the difference in their lives. Yes - it is a piece of paper that says I am British. Pieces of paper can and do make all the difference in the world. UK is great. We all need a positive attitude towards one another here in UK.
Banglish  Jan 26, 12, 11:59    #423
RevokeNice - I am talking about having positive attitudes, that simply don't exist in our countries of origin. That includes Poland, Bangladesh and where ever. You are right - muslim people don't even treat one another right, let alone people of other races and religion and countries. And not all Europeans and christians of various denominations can stand one another either, let alone people from other continents.
But here in UK, everybody is treated well. This does not make UK pathetic. This is what makes UK great, and a shining example to all other nations about how mankind should live. It is setting an example for all other nations to see and wonder with awe.
I am not concerned about how things are not so good in the countries where we all come from. We all know that, which is why we left them in the first place. I am concerned about preserving what has been achieved in UK, and making it better for all.
Those few natives of UK who think this is all a mistake - you should think and reflect on what this nation is actually trying to achieve. It is actually trying to change mankind itself. Its a feat that no other nation is willing to try. It is a great nation that is at the forefront of civilization and all other nations. You should think, and reflect, and be proud, and come out of your shell and the little Englander attitude. UK is great.
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Edited by: GabiDaHun  Jan 26, 12, 12:25    #424
Banglish:
You folks are of European descent and appearance-wise pretty much the same, so it is much easier for you to integrate,



GWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH!

"They all looks the same!" Not a racist comment at all!


Yeah right.

The Spanish look *just* like Russians. The Norwegians look *just* like the Greeks too.

You probably think that Chinese, Japanese and Koreans all look the same too.

All this does is show a lack of integration on your part. No one else's.



I love the way you bleat about racism, but then simultaneously tar an entire nation as racist, based on a number of people you can count on your fingers and toes, and without ever having stepped foot into the country!

You sir, are having a giggle.



Racism exists no matter which country you go to. I went to Sri Lanka two years ago, got charged 10 times more than the locals, and was subjected to scam artists approaching me every hour.

I am not, however, going to tar all Sri-Lankans with the same bush. If anything, It made me wiser, and less gullible.

Oh! And I got stared at too! Doesn't mean they were racist. Just means they don't see many white people. Human instinct is to stare at something new. I think I'll forgive them for being human.


Oh, and Sri-Lankans don't look the same as Bangladeshis, just in case you were wondering!



LOL at you.
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 Jan 26, 12, 15:29    #425
Banglish:
I left my country of origin


Banglish:
I say I am British, and so I am British.


Let me get this straight; you were born in Bangladesh, have no european blood, yet claim a european ethnicity?

Ive spent a minimum of two weeks in Spain, every year since I was born.

Id say two years of my life have been spent on Spanish soil.

Just over a year on American.

Two years in Northern Ireland.

Using your logic, I can claim to be Irish- Ulster Scots-Spanish American!

Sweet!
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 Jan 26, 12, 19:30    #426
RevokeNice:
If I move to Bangladesh, have a child with me Irish partner, can that child claim to be Bangladeshi and claim it as his or her own nation?


It depends totally on the laws governing that country. I believe if you are born of French parents you can be nothing but French in French law, no matter where you are born. I may be incorrect, but in Poland, if they want you, you will be Polish even if you are French.

He is British, and no, the Poles will not just blend in, for a high percentage make no effort to expand their horizons beyond a Passat or an A4 and renting a room.

The question should be, who will be "British" when the next war starts?

Exodus.
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 Jan 30, 12, 20:45    #427
Ant63:
He is British
Bangladeshi
Banglish:
I left my country of origin

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 Feb 4, 12, 15:56    #428
Uh... HUGE difference here that everyone is failing to take into consideration... Poland has been under communist rule for 50 years, which means that few people going into the country and even less leaving it. So Poland is filled with Polish people who are white. Poland is not an immigrant nation like the U.S., England, Canada or any other western European nation. When Poles leave Poland, it is culture shock for them. They have never experienced a society where so many different languages are spoken and cultures live together. Give Poles a break for F's sake... They've been oppressed for a long time!! Don't you think such oppression has an effect on the people of that nation?
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 Feb 4, 12, 16:04    #429
polishmuskateer:
. HUGE difference here that everyone is failing to take into consideration...

There is no racism in Britain right? :D
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 Feb 4, 12, 17:01    #430
Ironside:
There is no racism in Britain right? :D

Less so than in most European countries with mass immigration.
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 Feb 4, 12, 17:47    #431
What I find odd is the new form of racism Poles have caused. UKIP have a following they would never have and even the BNP have said they want Poles gone as a vote gainer.
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Edited by: JonnyM  Feb 4, 12, 18:27    #432
modafinil:
racism Poles have caused.

The Poles in the UK haven't caused it - but the type of bigot who might vote for BNP etc will seize on anything to justify their inadequacies.
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Edited by: Pierdolski  Feb 4, 12, 20:57    #433
Wroclaw Boy:
I remember meeting a Pole at the airport in Stansted a few years ago, he commented two things within 10 minutes:

1. great roads
2. lots of blacks here

Poles are very racist, period.


Those two points are observations, not racism.
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 Feb 5, 12, 11:29    #434
Pierdolski:
Wroclaw Boy:
I remember meeting a Pole at the airport in Stansted a few years ago, he commented two things within 10 minutes:

1. great roads
2. lots of blacks here

Poles are very racist, period.


Those two points are observations, not racism.


Maybe he said 'lots of P'lacks here' and you misheard him.
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Edited by: Shadow K  Mar 13, 12, 22:38    #435
NorthMancPolak:
allacces1: 90% of Polish people I have chatted to have racist view towards Asian and black people in the UK,

allacces1: Many poles I have encountered are less well-educated, and sometimes find it difficult to find jobs and were not accustomed to the multiracial nature of British society so they lash out like they should get special treatment for being white. To which I say go back home, we don't need you type here!


Which makes you as racist as they are, troll!


Not really. Racism and Nationalism are two distinctive matters. So, it's not racist to say, "go back to your country", in fact a british born Asian or Black person can tell that to Pols. But many don't know can't differentiate between racism and nationalism.

modafinil:
What I find odd is the new form of racism Poles have caused. UKIP have a following they would never have and even the BNP have said they want Poles gone as a vote gainer.


I understand that it's hard for some of you two grasps some concepts but UKIP is a protectionist/nationalist party and BNP a racist party. It's not the same thing. The UKIP is not a racist party.
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 Mar 13, 12, 22:57    #436
Shadow K:
I understand that it's hard for some of you two grasps some concepts but UKIP is a protectionist/nationalist party and BNP a racist party. It's not the same thing. The UKIP is not a racist party.


So you think that the Poles are a race? 'Cos I.m pretty sure the BNP want them out.
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 Mar 13, 12, 23:20    #437
Shadow K:
The UKIP is not a racist party.


See if you can understand any of these concepts and then get back to me.
http://www.richardcorbett.org.uk/theres-something-about-ukip.pdf

Robert Kilroy-Silk (UKIP MEP since 2004) wrote in the Daily Express: “They
[Muslims] are backward and evil and if it is racist to say so… then racist I must be –
and happy and proud, to be so”.
In December 2003, he discussed what he called “bleating blacks and Asians” in
Britain, asking “Why don’t they stop whining and get a life?”

Dr Richard North (UKIP’s former Research Director in the European Parliament,
Brussels from 1999-2003) described our Spanish neighbours as “rag-arsed dagos” in
a BBC TV documentary video, The Enemy Within , which UKIP has described as “a
perfect tool for converting the sceptical… and showing at branch meetings”.

Peter Watson (Chairman, UKIP North Dorset branch) distributed anti-Semitic
messages via e-mail, including one remark that read “Jewish merchant bankers
[are] responsible for the ills of England”.
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Edited by: Shadow K  Mar 13, 12, 23:30    #438
modafinil
modafinil:
So you think that the Poles are a race?


What make you think that this is maybe what I think ? don't extrapolate please.


modafinil:
See if you can understand any of these concepts and then get back to me.
http://www.richardcorbett.org.uk/theres-something-about-ukip.pdf

Robert Kilroy-Silk (UKIP MEP since 2004) wrote in the Daily Express: “blah blah blah ?”

Dr Richard North (UKIP’s former Research Director in the European Parliament,blah blah blah ”.

Peter Watson (Chairman, UKIP North Dorset branch) distributed anti-Semitic
messages vblah blah blah ”.


First of all, this pdf document is not from the UKIP so it is not a valid source that demonstrate that the UKIP has a RACIST program.

then, yes some members of this party have said racist stuff, and some are from the BNP. If you make the unbiased effort to make a search you fill discover that there are rascist in the Labour and Conservative party. That doesn't imply that their doctrine is racist.
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 Mar 13, 12, 23:33    #439
Shadow K:
What make you think that this is maybe what I think ? don't extrapolate please.


It is cogent extrapolation given your flawed conceptual model.
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 Mar 13, 12, 23:36    #440
modafinil:
It is cogent extrapolation given your flawed conceptual model.


where is the flaw ?
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 Mar 13, 12, 23:42    #441
Shadow K:
where is the flaw ?


Both are nationalist parties their differences are in extremity. The BNP claims not to be a racist party either.
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 Mar 14, 12, 00:14    #442
But,whats wrong with a bit of nationalism, internationalism has plainly failed?
If you are British,want to be British or feel British you are British. Its pretty fluid and always has been. basically its been a history of mass squaters rights on these islands. The Scots are from Ireland,The Welsh are the ancient Britons the English are god only knows what ,have been since the days of Rome and Auxiliaries from Africa to Iran making their homes here on retirement.....
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 Mar 14, 12, 00:20    #443
modafinil:
Both are nationalist parties their differences are in extremity. The BNP claims not to be a racist party either.


I don't know much about the BNP, to be honest but if there are not racist but only nationalist, then it's a rather good news isn't it ? anyway, it's getting late.
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 Mar 14, 12, 00:22    #444
isthatu2:
But,whats wrong with a bit of nationalism ?


who wrote that there is something wrong with a bit of nationalism ? :/
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 Mar 14, 12, 00:30    #445
isthatu2:
But,whats wrong with a bit of nationalism, internationalism has plainly failed?

I don't know if you are being sarcastic or what? Without writing an essay, put simply (for once, you may be more sober than I) Kings aren't of one land anymore. The new Kings are corporate heads spanning the globe. The sun never sets on Microsoft, Apple, CocaCola...
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 Mar 14, 12, 00:41    #446
modafinil:
Kings aren't of one land anymore

You make my point, lets make a list of English born English Kings shall we?
Ok,no,but,erm, there were not that many of them in the grand scheme of things:)
Part sarcastic,part serious, nationalism does not have to involve hatred of others or exclusion of people based on spurious reasons.
The ANZACS were proud Aussies/Kiwis who fought for their country as much as for the motherland that most of them were either born in or who's parents were born in.
I know it gets tricky when one is making up a doctrine on the hoof,especially when I say lets have a bit of socialist nationalism............put better,lets look to this island and its inhabitants best interests (where ever they or their grandparents were born) for a while instead of this constant trying to sort every bugger elses problems out.
Why are we sending british people for trial in the USA on crimes that are not even crimes here or commited in the US?
Why are we still ploughing millions in aid into India?
the list goes on,and yes, some of them are the same issues that the fasch' cnuts bring up, but that does not mean every point they make is invalid.
The nazis rallied against unemployment in 30s germany, nazis are bad,but sorting out unemployment is good....
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 Mar 14, 12, 01:12    #447
isthatu2:
But,whats wrong with a bit of nationalism, internationalism has plainly failed?

It’s easy relatively on the Islands.
The point a lot of Polish posters are trying to get across is that when the state doesnt match the nation or nationality, when you have minorities outside and inside you are into a numbers game with land the prize. We don’t have that on the islands the borders are very clear.
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 Mar 14, 12, 01:15    #448
isthatu2:
You make my point, lets make a list of English born English Kings shall we?

That's why I read you. My knowledge is weak on that side I was pushed into Maths/Physics/Engineering in the days we had a proud engineering and manufacturing base.


isthatu2:
Part sarcastic,part serious, nationalism does not have to involve hatred of others or exclusion of people based on spurious reasons.

It doesn't have to, but it keeps being hijacked to the extent I darn't boast and end up self-effacing our achievements to avoid being snotty. What if our politicions became the same when trying to bring jobs in and said " oh no no we are just the same as everyone else" or "Were too good to design your foreign trinket"
Can we have a nationalsm without regards to colour, where out grand-parents were born or religious choices? Where I saw nationalism as a manipulating force was with Bush when he waged war said, "If you are not with us you are against America" Pure facism. In sports I have to support England even if it is a team made up of individuals I despise in local games. That's as far as it goes.

isthatu2:
Why are we still ploughing millions in aid into India?

They are the PC term for bribes now to buy our Warplanes. India give a lot more to Africa, to buy what I'm not sure, flip-flops or something.

It isn't just the goalposts that have moved it's a different game in a different ballpark.
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Edited by: ReservoirDog  Mar 14, 12, 12:14    #449
90% of Polish people I have chatted to have racist view towards Asian and black people in the UK

Few years before Poland joined European Union I took a trip to London. On the first day in this beautiful city, on Oxford Street next to fountain, I asked one gentelman to take a photo. He did. Then he asked where am I from. I said: from Poland with big smile on my face. Then I heard : "you fooking polish, you fooking..." This was my first day in England.


If there is no racism against Poles, then what does it mean??

According to the United Nations Convention :

the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
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 Mar 14, 12, 13:03    #450
Do you think black people born in Britain are British ?


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