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 Jun 25, 10, 00:19    #91
cheehaw:
and I am not convinced that the thinking of the 'privileged' class has changed very much in 100 years.


I did actually say that it was the working classes that improved things the privileged were quite happy with the peasants being feable minded fools working in the mills and fields for very little in return.

cheehaw:
I'd like to see a wealthy neighborhood invite somalian refugees to live with them.


cheehaw:
It'll never happen. their tolerance advice, is only for you and I.


Most wealthy people arent actually tolerent, in fact never met one that pretends to be, the lower middle class, hug a tree are quite different though.

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 Jun 25, 10, 00:23    #92
cheehaw:
I find it kind of funny as a matter of fact, that so much of the stuff we can read, historically, things that were written in the mid and late 1800's. when Great Britain was a major influence on the 'intellectual' world.. but these works are mainly the work of the privileged classes and their cohorts.

Pretty much all of the literature from that era was written by the upper classes. It's only until the World War that the class lines begin to blur, and the upper classes would openly mingle with the lower and write about the experience. In a way it was a shared experience, they both experienced the same things in the war, but only the upper classes were able to write about it (the lower too, as by this time education had picked up, but it was mostly just letters and diaries).
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 Jun 25, 10, 00:34    #93
I'm not real big on tree huggers either. Here and there that ideology is used to steal land from people. Eminent domain for parks etc only makes more landless and homeless peasants. Plus they use these 'environmental' ideas to make the general populace feel guilty about pollution etc. and then they use this stuff to make regulations that put working people out of business.

Problem is, most pollution is caused by big factories. eg; The privileged classes who profit.

In australia there is a big fight going on about the carbon footprint of cattle. cattle poo and farts. Seems people have decided that the symbiotic relationship humans have enjoyed with herds of cattle since the beginning of time, is now wrong. So anyway, about 50% of australia's ranch land (A LOT) and open range will no longer be allowed to be grazed. That means, the people who own that land and intended to graze cattle can no longer support their families. They will be unemployed as dictated by the govt.

Of course, great big oil spills all over the planet can be overlooked. This is not a carbon footprint apparently.

I am trying to figure out why i need to pay taxes to supposedly pay to cleanup after private corporations.

but back on topic, since polish people rarely encountered blacks in ancient times, I don't think this could possibly be ancient racism, if it even exists.
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 Jun 25, 10, 00:46    #94
cheehaw:
but back on topic, since polish people rarely encountered blacks in ancient times, I don't think this could possibly be ancient racism, if it even exists.

Then one must ponder where it is that the Polish hatred for blacks comes from, because it is undeniably present and extreme.
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 Jun 25, 10, 01:26    #95
I think it's the poverty and all that goes with it, truthfully.

When people have nothing or very little to lose, the crime rate soars. I think a lot of Poles found themselves in that situation a couple decades ago. Which is also why a lot of Brits do not like Poles from what i understand. Poverty, and all that goes with it.

For sure if most blacks drove bmw's (not just the drug dealers), the poles would most likely run after them with flowers.
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Edited by: MareGaea  Jun 25, 10, 01:40    #96
cheehaw:
When people have nothing or very little to lose, the crime rate soars. I think a lot of Poles found themselves in that situation a couple decades ago. Which is also why a lot of Brits do not like Poles from what i understand. Poverty, and all that goes with it.


What are you talking about?

cheehaw:
For sure if most blacks drove bmw's (not just the drug dealers), the poles would most likely run after them with flowers.


You just can't help being a racist, can't you?

>^..^<

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 Jun 25, 10, 02:35    #97
MareGaea:
You just can't help being a racist, can't you?

I think you misinterpret honesty for racism most of the time.

Do me a favor, walk around your little countryside. tell me how many nice homes (NICE homes not just any old shack) you see occupied by whites and how many you see occupied by blacks.

Then do this, count how many upper middle class black neighborhoods you've got within several nearby towns. Count how many are totally white upper middle class neighborhoods, and how many are mixed.

Then get back to me with your racist answer.

I lived in Richmond VA several years. Richmond is 80% black. But there is not one single black upper middle class neighborhood in Richmond.

Lots of working class black neighborhoods though. Very few actual slums in town, only 1 really, a section of several blocks. Hard working people, good neighbors. Neighborhoods a lot like the one I grew up in. Richmond has a huge drug problem. It's why we left. Not a good environment for the kids.

I have seen many white ghettos in my lifetime (more of these than any other), many black ghettos, spanish, cuban, whatever.

I have yet to stumble upon an entire upper class black neighborhood.. only sprinklings of blacks in a few these areas.

So anyway, that is your assignment get to it. Your opinions need a touch of reality.

I guess this is the end of the thread since you showed up.
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 Jun 25, 10, 02:53    #98
I lived in Amsterdam, a place infested with blacks :)

I never felt unsafe, sweetie, never :)

>^..^<

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 Jun 25, 10, 03:00    #99
MareGaea:
a place infested with blacks :)

you mean culturally enhanced with.... Don't you?
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 Jun 25, 10, 03:01    #100
cheehaw:

Then get back to me with your racist answer.

I lived in Richmond VA several years. Richmond is 80% black. But there is not one single black upper middle class neighborhood in Richmond.

Lots of working class black neighborhoods though. Very few actual slums in town, only 1 really, a section of several blocks. Hard working people, good neighbors. Neighborhoods a lot like the one I grew up in. Richmond has a huge drug p

it's like asking if you have met many women priests .. a certain form has been imposed.
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 Jun 25, 10, 07:54    #101
Trevek, they are pretty much underground. OK, back to the thread.
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 Jun 25, 10, 11:55    #102
Seanus:
OK, back to the thread.


I think it is quite possible that central and east europeans are bringing a form of racism into UK simply because, as we've seen, the concept of a multi-ethnic state like UK is unusual for them. However, it is interesting that a lot of racism in UK also comes from immigrants themselves. The fact a Sikh was the first 'ethnic' to join BNP is rather telling. Likewise, I have heard of non-white racism against and between other non-white groups (Africans and Asians).

A few years ago I read in a British newspaper produced and aimed at the Black (afro-carribean) community that allowing huge waves of new EU nationals into UK was deliberate attempt to "re-whiten UK".

The rhetoric on both sides is similar, isn't it?
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Edited by: SzwedwPolsce  Jun 25, 10, 12:09    #103
Trevek:
I have heard of non-white racism against and between other non-white groups (Africans and Asians).

Trevek:
it is interesting that a lot of racism in UK also comes from immigrants themselves.


One of the most common forms of racism in most European countries with a lot of minorities.

But different minorities being racist toward each other is nothing people talk about.
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 Jun 25, 10, 12:21    #104
Nice points, Trevek. This has happened in different places, notably Africa and America. People turn against their own. Poles turn against their own too, though that is not a race-related issue.

Simple minds produce simple thoughts so I can well imagine some of those young buffoons poking fun at coloured folk. We can do without those types.
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 Jun 25, 10, 12:31    #105
SzwedwPolsce:
But different minorities being racist toward each other is nothing people talk about.


Of course not, because only the host nation could possibly be racist.

Seanus:
We can do without those types.


That's true.
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 Jun 25, 10, 13:24    #106
Most of the people against Muslims here in Germany actually happen to be immigrants. They think muslims ruin the image of foreigners in Europe and therefore are to be disliked.
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 Jun 25, 10, 13:34    #107
And how about Italian-Portuguese-Colombian people in Germany? ;) ;) Do they see the Sephardic Jew within? ;) ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuIrUsFrPMg, this is despicable! Britain had a problem with this many years ago. I remember watching an Aberdeen Vs Rangers match at Pittodrie and Mark Walters was really singled out for being black. I felt like punching some of those that were saying those things, there's just no call for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uyAaEfXOYE&feature=related, a fresh and tragic event. Only 1 month old.
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 Jun 25, 10, 13:35    #108
Miguel Colombia:
Most of the people against Muslims here in Germany actually happen to be immigrants. They think muslims ruin the image of foreigners in Europe and therefore are to be disliked.


I've read articles in UK where Pakistani and Asian muslims have been critical of Somalis and objected to them worshipping in the same Mosque. I don't know how widespread it is but it's interesting.
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 Jun 25, 10, 13:37    #109
They probably don't want to be taken hostage, Trevek ;) ;)
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 Jun 25, 10, 13:43    #110
Seanus:
They probably don't want to be taken hostage, Trevek ;) ;)


I wonder if they sell pirate videoes
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 Jun 25, 10, 13:49    #111
But they are not of the Caribbean ;) ;) I wonder what those guys put on their CVs, LOL.

How about some videos on this thread? There are a few on Youtube and likely some through Google video.
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 Jun 25, 10, 14:17    #112
Some are and some aren't, MC. They have certainly come on in leaps and bounds from the racist 80's and early 90's.
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 Jun 25, 10, 14:30    #113
Seanus:
They have certainly come on in leaps and bounds from the racist 80's and early 90's.

very true
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 Jun 25, 10, 14:33    #114
Miguel Colombia:
I had to laugh at the post claiming British people are tolerant and open-minded.

I wouldn't describe it as tolerance or open-mindedness, people are just starting to care less and less about ethnicity. With some places having huge multi-ethnic populations, such as London, people growing up and living there are desensitized to the shock of such a diverse society. It's not a conscious effort, it's just apathy, albeit the best kind. I remember at school we only had one black student in every thousand (and of course no black teachers) but the black students were never thought of as different or discriminated against, even the ones that came directly from Africa. They're so good at integrating that they're culturally indistuingishable from the native white British population. Nobody even bats an eye if someone dates a black person, even though it is a rare sight, but nobody sees anything wrong with it. Asians, on the other hand, are quite racist. The stubbornness of religion + the Indian caste system makes the Pakistani Asians horrible at assimilating. Inter-racial, even inter-caste, relationships are a big deal to them. It's really entirely their own problem.
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 Jun 25, 10, 14:35    #115
Face it, Brittish people are racist. Most of them atleast.
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 Jun 25, 10, 14:41    #116
David, that's absolute nonsense! Read Matowy's post above.
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 Jun 25, 10, 15:19    #117
David_18:
Face it, Brittish people are racist. Most of them atleast.

The majority of ignorant people in England may be racist but they usually contain it in their over-idenification with soccer tribalism like their partners elsewhere.
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Edited by: Amathyst  Jun 25, 10, 15:27    #118
David_18:
Face it, Brittish people are racist. Most of them atleast.


True.

milky:
The majority of ignorant people in England may be racist but they usually contain it in their over-idenification with soccer tribalism like their partners elsewhere.


Do you consider millionairs that live in the Cotswolds ignorant football fans?
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 Jun 25, 10, 15:47    #119
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neYtGpmezfM
No just ones like this


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 Jun 25, 10, 15:56    #120
milky:
No just ones like this


I used to not like it either, because I thought we should be together in peace in a monocultural society, but the more I saw Europe fill up with non-europeans from the 3rd world, I thought, hey wait a minute, this is boot-camp! This is where our young, eager and brave boys get their aggression out. They are playing war and using tactics, exercising to be in great shape for hand to hand combat, they are feeling adrenaline rush and bonding with other poles at their age! They are staying sharp and focused as well as maintaining a level of awarness. So when the day comes that the blacks discover Poland/Poland get's a western style welfare system, they are ready for them.

In the rest of Europe, like in Scandinavia, although many are real tough and well trained, we are too few, and the PC brainwashing has subdued the rest, and made sports into a family thing. Macho is out, and staying home with the kid and washing the dishes is seen as "modern", while being out with the boys and being a man is "racist" or "stupid".

So, go on Polish football hooligans, keep training, working out, fighting and get the feeling of brotherhood...it's gonna save your asses when the day comes.

Dariusz


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