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Are Polish people scavengers? Just here (in UK) for Money? The facts!


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keen111Threads: 4
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Joined: Sep 29, 09 ♀ 		 Apr 25, 10, 20:25    #241
Seanus, you're not wrong, you can't move the goal posts when the game has already begun... And Brown like you say has done sweet FA.
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: Seanus  Apr 25, 10, 20:35    #242
Another dimension is the equivalence of qualifications. They have tried to streamline everything through the Bologna process, largely ignoring the raison d'etre of generic and vocational courses which gear graduates towards local markets and industries. The underpinning rationale of such courses is to provide prospective graduates with the skills necessary to further British industry and establish a tie through internships and apprenticeships. However, harmonisation through equivalence can create the illusion that there is sufficient compatibility in what they learn in their HE/FE institutions and the real job world. That is often not the case. Also, Britain has always had a steady supply of plumbers and joiners (tradesmen basically) in most areas around the island. They are crying out, alerting firms of their presence. However, they are being turned away due to undercutting. It is no longer about the best candidate, it's more about cost cutting and fatcats creaming the top off. CV sending can be a waste of time in many instances now :(
king polkakamonThreads: 1
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Joined: Dec 30, 09 ♂ 		 Apr 25, 10, 20:50    #243
Seanus:
s the equivalence of qualifications.


This is a big story.Our middle class has played some sh11ty games on that.I would like to hang them now that the chance exists.It is time for revenge.Definitely.
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Apr 25, 10, 20:54    #244
Anything to facilitate greater movement of people to bring them under umbrella control :( National sovereignty was the one main area where Thatcher spoke sense. She wouldn't have played the game that the globalists are playing.
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Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂ 		 Apr 26, 10, 00:36    #245
Seanus:
Please watch that documentary I posted


Which documentary is this?
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Joined: May 28, 09 ♀ 		 Apr 26, 10, 00:41    #246
What I wonder is, why would someone stay in a country if it were not for something attractive about it, like money or women? Maybe some places are stunning enough to stay for the architecture but not many. The UK is attractive to some, so they flock to it.
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Joined: May 2, 09  Pictures: 3 ♂ 		 Apr 26, 10, 00:44    #247
PlasticPole:
What I wonder is, why would someone stay in a country if it were not for something attractive about it, like money or women? Maybe some places are stunning enough to stay for the architecture but not many. The UK is attractive to some, so they flock to it.

That explains why u havent been back to Poland for how many years is it now??
guzzlerThreads: 6
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Joined: Mar 28, 10 ♂ 		 Apr 26, 10, 01:34    #248
Sean,

It is important to understand how both groups Brits and Poles seek work, The Poles mainly work through Polish agencies.The Brits through Job Centres and other methods, It was so easy for me to phone the agency, and say I want so many guys for such a period to clear x amount of properties. Agree a price sign a cheque and the agency takes care of everything else, when the job is completed the guys go and you have no problems. If they mess up and don't perform, or don't turn in for work you just get them replaced. When I got a good team I would employ them as subcontractors, after they got a Subcontractors Tax Certificate. All the men who worked for me worked on price work, they were not all Polish but they all did good work and earned a lot of money as I did. I am now retired but the guys come around to see me, some have gone into business two have returned home to Poland. The area I live in I very seldom meet many young Poles, the ones I have met spoke very good English and were very respectful.
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Joined: Nov 3, 09 ♂ 		 Apr 26, 10, 07:59    #249
Quote from "Pol-Ams, How to you regard yourselves?"

I feel the same way. My plan is to work here for 30 years, save as much money as I can and then retire to Poland. When I'm in my 60s or 70s, I probably will not care what other people think of me.

i guess it's not just in the UK....;)
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Apr 26, 10, 14:46    #250
Guzzler, true enough. The avenues for procuring employment are different. Many Poles went speculatively and that is so risky in this day and age. Also, when you do it that way, your parents and friends aren't there to help you so directly. Furthermore, in today's bleedin 'rat race', few are willing to truly help out. I remember the paperwork required for becoming a teacher in Japan and there was a lot of signing and then sitting around for the next phase. Britain has some paperwork but less than Poland and Japan for sure. The details in official administrative offices can be perplexing and that's why my wife has upoważnienie (authority) to represent me. I could do it at a push but why run the risk? I admire Poles for giving it a shot abroad.
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Seanus:
I admire Poles for giving it a shot abroad.

Crap, you talk some absolute bollocks S, i tell yah.
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Apr 28, 10, 00:27    #252
It's not always easy living abroad and I admire those that give it a pop. What's so odd about that? The ones that want to make a good fist of it.
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Joined: May 20, 10 ♂ 		 May 20, 10, 14:39    #253
Many do send their money back home, not circulating it into the British economy

Shopping in Britain is cheaper than in Poland (electronic stuff, clothes). Polish ppl have to rent houses, buy food, get some transport etc. Polish ppl pay the same taxes as Britons. What else do you want? If you cant save any money because you're extravagant, dont moan that some ppl can!
richasisThreads: 5
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Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: richasis  May 20, 10, 18:38    #254
"Are Polish people scavengers? Just here (in UK) for Money? The facts!"

Polish Score Top Marks in Britishness Test

The Polish are more “British” than the British according to new research. The research, conducted by Red Squirrel Publishing, tested over 15,000 Facebook users using a sample version of the Home Office's citizenship exam. The results show that Polish users gained the highest average score.

http://lifeintheuk.net/index.php/news/polish_score_top_marks_in_britis hness_test/

Okay, maybe it's not exactly the most scientifically-derived sampling, but still... :)

[EDIT:] I was almost tempted to post this tidbit of info to its own (topic) thread.
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richasis:
Okay, maybe it's not exactly the most scientifically-derived sampling, but still... :)


Most questions seem to be about welfare. :)
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RevokeNice:
Most questions seem to be about welfare. :)

LOL - fair enough :)
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Joined: May 21, 08 ♂ 		 May 21, 10, 07:53    #257
Seanus:
4) I watched and posted a documentary (on this thread I believe) where many talented British workers were put out of work in order to vacate their place for an immigrant. Also, in the same documentary, it was shown that some agencies only take on Poles which is illegal as it is discrimination


A British friend of mine was taken on buy a temp agency as they had nobody specialised. He was working with a Polish temp and thought he'd be offered full time. Eventually they let him go... turned out they'd taken him on so he could train up the Polish lad to do the job he thought he was going to get.

He and the Polish lad got on well and, to his credit, he doesn't hold the Polish lad to blame at all. BUT, just shows how the action of an employer could fuel the frustration.
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 May 21, 10, 12:54    #258
They don't care, Trevek. It's all about the cash. My granddad wrote to me recently and was mentioning that many in the healthcare business are there for the money. The world is going this way, people chasing cash above all else.

The Poles are no different. Money is very commonly mentioned in the videos of immigrants and the ones that say they are in the UK for cultural reasons don't appear convincing.
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Joined: May 21, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: Trevek  May 21, 10, 13:26    #259
Seanus:
The Poles are no different. Money is very commonly mentioned in the videos of immigrants and the ones that say they are in the UK for cultural reasons don't appear convincing.


I don't think it's a problem to be an immigrant for the money. You do what you need to do. The problem is when you are doing a job, like the healthcare, teaching etc and it becomes primary to your doing the job, rather than the more 'idealistic' reasons.
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 May 21, 10, 13:33    #260
Well, they have a right to earn and send home. That's their perogative. I just don't like seeing people detract from the traditional skills of a job. A home-help carer should be just that, caring. I was livid when my grandma told me she didn't get care when she needed it.

Of course I have nothing against Poles sending money home as it's none of my business. They generally do jobs outwith the caring profession so it doesn't matter.

The big problem is job creation. Many graduates in Scotland don't get jobs in their area so have to take a sidestep. That means doing jobs that they don't really have the passion for, like caring for the elderly.
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richasis:
Okay, maybe it's not exactly the most scientifically-derived sampling, but still... :)


I bet they cheated... The answers are easy to find and as we all know.. Poles generally cheat on exams ;0)

Seanus:
Of course I have nothing against Poles sending money home as it's none of my business.


As a Brit abroad Sheepy, do you send money home? Do you know of any single Brits that save and send money home when they're off travelling and living in other countries?
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Joined: May 21, 08 ♂ 		 May 21, 10, 14:14    #262
Seanus:
The big problem is job creation. Many graduates in Scotland don't get jobs in their area so have to take a sidestep. That means doing jobs that they don't really have the passion for, like caring for the elderly.


But that's nothing new. let's face it, how many of our graduate buddies ended up working in call centres? Plenty of mine did and that was over 15 years ago.

I know of a number of Poles working in health and caring fileds BUT it is generally people who have been trained for this in Poland, not ones who just took it up for the money in UK.

I agree with you whole heartedly about the 'caring' qualification. The trouble is the health 'industry' these days is a shambles. I recall my father being in hospital with cancer and there not being enough nurses to attend to the patients, the rooms were in a sh1t state (old disposable razors from the last patient under the bed for a couple of days). An orderly took my father's false teeth by mistake when clearing away the meal things. My father was left without teeth for over a week. Each time we asked about it we got understanding nods and hmmm-hmmm's but no action. Eventually someone said that they knew nothing about the situation and asked if we had arranged for a dentist to see my father and get new teeth. This was what we were supposed to do but nobody had told us... All good old Brits amongst the staff. Just not enough to pay attention, attend or, as you say, care.
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 May 21, 10, 14:15    #263
I have only sent money home once and that was back in 2005, Amathyst. That was just to get used to the Western Union procedure as I only sent 1200PLN home. I spend here and keep the money in the Polish economy.
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Joined: May 21, 10 ♂ 		 May 21, 10, 15:07    #264
Amathyst:
Do you know of any single Brits that save and send money home when they're off travelling and living in other countries?


Actually, I've worked with plenty of British, Irish and Scottish lads who were saving up, or sending money back home. I think the ones who scream about scavengers are the biggest scavengers of them all! (Hey, we all want to earn money, and we all use it for our own purposes!)

;)
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Joined: May 20, 10 ♂ 		 May 21, 10, 16:34    #265
The Poles are no different. Money is very commonly mentioned in the videos of immigrants and the ones that say they are in the UK for cultural reasons don't appear convincing.

Why not? I know lots of ppl who went to uk to get some life & cultural experience. Ofcourse money is the first reason, but the experience of living abroad is also strongly important. I would go abroad just to see how ppl leave there. Lots of ppl if they find themselves in uk, they travel a lot to do some sightseeing
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 May 21, 10, 16:57    #266
Well, they didn't appear convincing ;)
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Joined: May 21, 10 ♂ 		 May 21, 10, 17:54    #267
Appearances can be decieving.

;)
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Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: richasis  May 21, 10, 18:03    #268
... and deceiving appearances can be convincing.

:)
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 May 21, 10, 18:05    #269
And appearances can be deceptive ;) Still, down with scavengers ;)
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Joined: May 21, 10 ♂ 		 May 21, 10, 18:42    #270
If you really want to get rid of the scavengers, then you should start with the government and big business, instead of picking on hard working people who are trying to feed their families.

;)

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