Polish teenager stabbed to death outside London tube station

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May 21, 11, 13:43 #121

Piast Poland:

This stupid **** does not even realize that he has his rights because of WW2.

His retarded family wasn't even in Europe at the time. "He had earlier claimed “Hitler should have killed all the Polish people” and threatened to “get each of them one by one”. HAHA if Europe was populated with his people back then, they would have been priority number 1. http://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/news/dutch_racist_jailed_for_finsbur y_park_knife_killing_1_899900

Piast PolandThreads: 3 Posts: 272 Joined: Aug 28, 10 ♂	May 21, 11, 13:45 #122
PennBoy: His retarded family wasn't even in Europe at the time Exactly, and because of that war his family was able to form an independent country which is most likely a sh!t hole. Well now he will live in a sh!t hole in Britain, I hope he gets more time.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	May 21, 11, 13:49 #123
Piast Poland: I hope he gets more time. 5 years for murder? that's a joke, even in a democratic country. Here in the States he would have gotten 15-20 no less.

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May 21, 11, 13:54 #124

PennBoy:

5 years for murder? that's a joke, even in a democratic country. Here in the States he would have gotten 15-20 no less.

He was found guilty of manslaughter, not murder - and he was provoked. Without being at the trial, we don't know the full details - but it definitely sounds like the Polish guy had provoked him in some way (as that's what he was convicted of - manslaughter by provocation).

Could well be more to the story than has been reported.

MalopolaninThreads: 8 Posts: 198 Joined: Sep 5, 10 ♂	Edited by: Malopolanin May 21, 11, 13:57 #125
PennBoy: five years in jail Isn't less than for an animal? Again, the Pole is a victim of Germanic chauvinism. And as for the black - if we killed them at least as many as they killed Poles - only then they could say that Poles are racists.

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Edited by: gumishu May 21, 11, 13:58 #126

delphiandomine:

He was found guilty of manslaughter, not murder - and he was provoked. Without being at the trial, we don't know the full details - but it definitely sounds like the Polish guy had provoked him in some way (as that's what he was convicted of - manslaughter by provocation).

the article says that the guy (the doer) followed the group of Poles the killed one was part of - including riding the same bus and following them afterwards - the Poles got nervous and were not very polite in communicating it to the black man - so actually who provoked whom

moderators - why don't you ban Mr Malopolanin - giving hate mongers voice in a civilized places gives them an illusion their views are somehow justified

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	May 21, 11, 14:01 #127
delphiandomine: but it definitely sounds like the Polish guy had provoked him in some way I don't think so, the black guy started with him friends earlier then with him and his girlfriend and kept on following them. Sounds like he was the aggressor.

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Edited by: delphiandomine May 21, 11, 14:16 #128

gumishu:

the article says that the guy (the doer) followed the group of Poles the killed one was part of - including riding the same bus and following them afterwards - the Poles got nervous and were not very polite in communicating it to the black man - so actually who provoked whom

True - as you say, the article makes it sound like the black guy was the aggressor. But it seems weird that the jury cleared him of murder in this case - which makes me wonder if there's not more to the story. It's certainly unusual for someone to only get a manslaughter conviction in such a blatant case - which is what makes me wonder.

A case like this, you'd expect the killer to get a life sentence. Very odd.

I'll see if I can dig up anything - something must have definitely made the jury decide that it was manslaughter, not murder.

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May 21, 11, 14:24 #129

delphiandomine:

True - as you say, the article makes it sound like the black guy was the aggressor. But it seems weird that the jury cleared him of murder in this case - which makes me wonder if there's not more to the story. It's certainly unusual for someone to only get a manslaughter conviction in such a blatant case - which is what makes me wonder.

He was the aggressor, but even if presented all the facts which prove it was murder, the judge can be lenient. Maybe because he figured he's mental, or homeless, or non Brit and really didn't care, who knows.

brixtongurl

May 21, 11, 14:44 #130

You people are so judgemental and unpleasant. I honestly imagine the scenario was something like - group of white supremacist Polish youth racially abusing a mentally ill black man, one of them pays the ultimate price. I have seen and heard it soo many times in London it is unbelievable. I don't even know why people come to London at all, everyone knows it is multiracial, if you don't like that, stay away, or put up and shut up.

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May 21, 11, 14:53 #131

brixtongurl:

I honestly imagine the scenario was something like - group of white supremacist Polish youth racially abusing a mentally ill black man, one of them pays the ultimate price. I have seen and heard it soo many times in London it is unbelievable.

I object to these false accusations! I'd like a noted name of your sources lol. You've seen Polish youth bother black people in London? but honestly, I hate to say it but it does sound possible.

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May 21, 11, 14:54 #132

brixtongurl:

You people are so judgemental and unpleasant. I honestly imagine the scenario was something like - group of white supremacist Polish youth racially abusing a mentally ill black man, one of them pays the ultimate price. I have seen and heard it soo many times in London it is unbelievable. I don't even know why people come to London at all, everyone knows it is multiracial, if you don't like that, stay away, or put up and shut up.

May I ask, are you actually from Brixton? How does one survive in such a place?
Oh and don't be ridiculous, why would you make such an assumption? Are you attempting to say that black people are somehow exempt from being racist?

brixtongurl

May 21, 11, 14:58 #133

PennBoy:

You've seen Polish youth bother black people in London? but honestly, I hate to say it but it does sound possible.

many times Penn boy I am afraid to say.....on the tube and buses........
there was one group of Polish young guys who squatted a building in South London and spent their days doing Seig Heil salutes to any passing dark skinned people...
Quite honestly if they had any idea of what they were up against....!!!

brixtongurl

May 21, 11, 15:03 #134

AureaLibertas:

May I ask, are you actually from Brixton? How does one survive in such a place?
Oh and don't be ridiculous, why would you make such an assumption? Are you attempting to say that black people are somehow exempt from being racist?

yes I am....one survives usually by breathing..I find brixton a great place full of community spirit.
btw, who is making assumptions?? I am merely reporting what I have seen and heard over many years.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	May 21, 11, 15:05 #135
AureaLibertas: May I ask, are you actually from Brixton? How does one survive in such a place? I was in Brixton twice and I survived - so you can survive in Brixton I guess ;)

AureaLibertasThreads: - Posts: 5 Joined: May 21, 11 ♂	May 21, 11, 15:14 #136
brixtongurl: btw, who is making assumptions?? I am merely reporting what I have seen and heard over many years. Oh, well your little anecdotes are rather useless, I have far more often seen and experienced black people being unprovokedly aggressive and unpleasant than I have Polish people being randomly racist.

brixtongurl

May 21, 11, 15:19 #137

AureaLibertas:

Oh, well your little anecdotes are rather useless, I have far more often seen and experienced black people being unprovokedly aggressive and unpleasant than I have Polish people being randomly racist

dismissing my observations in a rather patronising and defensive fashion, aren't we?
Maybe you were one of those squatters?
I have seen and heard countless acts of random racism from Polish people in London, it's a hard fact.

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May 21, 11, 15:28 #138

brixtongurl:

dismissing my observations in a rather patronising and defensive fashion, aren't we?
Maybe you were one of those squatters?
I have seen and heard countless acts of random racism from Polish people in London, it's a hard fact.

I wouldn't squat, it's something I'd expect a person living in Brixton to do.
And I fail to see how that matters, a huge proportion of gun crime, robbery and knife crime is commited by black people, now that is a "hard fact" supported by statistics, not something you have heard from one of your yokel Brixtonian friends. However ,I, knowing of these statistics, would not upon hearing of a black person being killed by someone automatically assume "O ma dayz, i has heards of black ppl being criminals innit it iz clearly his fault innit" in some sort of ghastly chavavian fashion. Now, do be quiet and find something amusing to do like devour a sack of chips or braid your hair or go down to the Brixton market and purchase some fabulous, gaudy diamante jewellery "guuuuurl!".

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May 21, 11, 15:35 #139

brixtongurl:

You people are so judgemental and unpleasant. I honestly imagine the scenario was something like - group of white supremacist Polish youth racially abusing a mentally ill black man, one of them pays the ultimate price. I have seen and heard it soo many times in London it is unbelievable. I don't even know why people come to London at all, everyone knows it is multiracial, if you don't like that, stay away, or put up and shut up.

He harrassed them on the bus, he then got off the bus and followed them with the intention of harming one of them - yet you try to justify his actions - how can you do this? Are you black by any chance? Just becaus one is subjected to racist taunts does not give one the right to murder another person, this is not civilised behaviour, his mental illness played a part, I will agree, but there are plenty of poeple who suffer with mental illness yet dont feel the need to take another persons life.

delphiandomine:

and he was provoked

So provoking someone gives them the right to take another persons life?

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May 21, 11, 16:17 #140

You people are so judgemental and unpleasant. I honestly imagine the scenario was something like - group of white supremacist Polish youth racially abusing a mentally ill black man, one of them pays the ultimate price. I have seen and heard it soo many times in London it is unbelievable. I don't even know why people come to London at all, everyone knows it is multiracial, if you don't like that, stay away, or put up and shut up.

many times Penn boy I am afraid to say.....on the tube and buses........
there was one group of Polish young guys who squatted a building in South London and spent their days doing Seig Heil salutes to any passing dark skinned people...
Quite honestly if they had any idea of what they were up against....!!!

yes I am....one survives usually by breathing..I find brixton a great place full of community spirit.
btw, who is making assumptions?? I am merely reporting what I have seen and heard over many years.

dismissing my observations in a rather patronising and defensive fashion, aren't we?
Maybe you were one of those squatters?
I have seen and heard countless acts of random racism from Polish people in London, it's a hard fact.

Madam, I've supported You in an argument or two here.

But what You're saying is largely irrelevant to the case ( not to mention You haven't provided any proof ). And the way You're imagining the scenario is rather offensive to Polish people.

So please do some thinking before You open Your pretty mouth next time :-)

That's coming from a guy who actually likes Brixton.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	May 21, 11, 16:26 #141
Amathyst: So provoking someone gives them the right to take another persons life? Who said anything about right? I'm more surprised that it wasn't a murder sentence - and I'd like to know why.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09 ♂	May 21, 11, 16:32 #142
Only 5 years for manslaughter? He should have been given 5 more for being ignorant in history. That would be a "hate crime" in the U.S. (if the races were reversed)

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May 25, 11, 23:50 #143

ZIMMY:

He should have been given 5 more for being ignorant in history.

No. That would be idiotic.

5 years certainly doesn't seem like much for the lifetime of pain for his loved ones and the death of a teen. Someone who goes out with a knife must be considering using it. Mental illness, violence and drug use aren't related as though one always follows on to the other, why explain this away by illness The description of 'crazed junkie' doesn't mean he was mentally ill. The killer wanted to kill. Carrying a knife is pre-meditated.

Newspapers don't report on race crimes that do not lead to death they're too commonplace.

brixtongurl

May 26, 11, 11:12 #144

Midas:

And the way You're imagining the scenario is rather offensive to Polish people.

I can only apologise if this is how my comments have appeared, I have no intention of being offensive to anyone. (unlike for example "aurea libertas" or whatever his name is.)

Amathyst:

Just becaus one is subjected to racist taunts does not give one the right to murder another person, this is not civilised behaviour, his mental illness played a part, I will agree, but there are plenty of poeple who suffer with mental illness yet dont feel the need to take another persons life.

I totally agree Amathyst, I was just trying to show the possibility of a different perspective to the story. There are alot of crazy people in big cities of all shades of skin colour, which is why people tend to ignore each other and don't make eye contact or comments about other people. Possibly some people from small places in POland are not aware of this and this is what I have observed. I would not try to justify murder of course.

MidasThreads: 2 Posts: 788 Joined: Jul 19, 10 ♂	May 26, 11, 19:40 #145
I can only apologise if this is how my comments have appeared, I have no intention of being offensive to anyone. Apologies accepted :)

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