Polish woman in the UK gives birth then leaves the baby in hospital

andrewwrightThreads: 18 Posts: 113 Joined: Dec 27, 08 ♂	Edited by: Moderator Feb 3, 10, 20:32 #1
I read this morning on BBC NEWS that a Polish Woman gave birth in Norfolk and Norwich hospital and left her poor little one saying she would come back and didn't, What a great start to a life when you done nothing wrong,Why do somthing like that? Your views Missing woman left baby at Norwich hospital

espanaThreads: 39 Posts: 2,200 Joined: Feb 28, 07 ♂	Feb 3, 10, 20:47 #2
in 2008 A baby in Poland was born drunk after her mother checked into the hospital intoxicated. The baby’s blood alcohol level of 0.29 percent is almost 15 times Poland’s adult drunk-driving limit of 0.02 percent. YOU POLES ARE A SHAME

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Feb 3, 10, 20:50 #3

Here's the article( Im a bit of a computer d..k i dont know how to put links up,but you could all help me) but BBC NEWS/NORFOLK you will find it there

Missing woman left baby at Norwich hospital

Missing Agnieshka Marciniak seen leaving the hospital
Police are trying to trace a Polish woman last seen leaving the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital on Saturday who had given birth earlier in the day.

Agnieshka Marciniak, 32, who had recently arrived from Poland, told medics she would return.

She had given birth to a girl and left the hospital pledging to come back when she had collected personal belongings.

Police said they were "extremely concerned" for her welfare and wanted to reunite Ms Marciniak with her baby.

Ms Marciniak has friends in the Lakenham and Tuckswood area of Norwich.

Det Insp Matt Sharman said: "We are concerned for Agnieshka's whereabouts and are working with our colleagues in children's services to try and locate her.

"Our aim is to reunite Agnieszka with her baby who is fit and well.

"I am also appealing to Agnieszka to return and see her baby. I would stress that she is not in trouble and can return without fear that she will be arrested."

delphiandomineThreads: 40 Posts: 9,587 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂	Feb 3, 10, 20:54 #4
andrewwright: Agnieshka Standards at the BBC really have gone down the drain! Pretty obvious that in this case, she couldn't/wouldn't get an abortion and decided to give birth and flee instead. Sad, but it's a sign of what Polish social attitudes are like.

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Feb 3, 10, 21:05 #5
delphiandomine: Pretty obvious that in this case, she couldn't/wouldn't get an abortion and decided to give birth and flee instead. Could be medical condition.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Feb 3, 10, 21:17 #6
Nothing new or unusual. In fact some countries have so called "baby hatches"

delphiandomineThreads: 40 Posts: 9,587 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂	Feb 3, 10, 21:22 #7
andrewwright: Then again could be a paki baby And you wonder why no-one gives you a job in Poland? By the way, I've heard on the grapevine that there's driving jobs going if you've got an HGV licence. You'll have to spend up to 6 weeks away from home, but that's no issue for a hard working Brit like yourself, is it?

LAGirlThreads: 13 Posts: 598 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♀	Feb 3, 10, 21:30 #8
At least give her credit maybe that baby was made from something bad and at least she had her kid in a hospital instead of putting it in a trash or killing it like alot of stupid women do here in the US.

beckskiThreads: 19 Posts: 2,105 Joined: May 15, 07 MEMBER ♀	Feb 3, 10, 22:04 #9
andrewwright: Missing woman left baby at Norwich hospital I'm wondering if the woman lacked the financial means required, in order to pay the hospital for the delivery of her child Honk if you love PF :)

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Edited by: jonni Feb 3, 10, 22:06 #10

beckski:

I'm wondering if the woman lacked the financial means required, in order to pay the hospital for the delivery of her child

Why would somebody PAY a hospital? They are free.

edit - maybe you're from US
Even if she wasn't working/signing on in the UK, childbirth (as a medical emergency) would still be free. If someone's just visiting and covered by their own National Health Service, the bill would be sent there. If she was living in the UK legally, she would be covered automatically. If she was from say, Colombia and had no insurance, it wouldn't be a problem, due to doctors' medical oath and the principles of the NHS. In the UK, medical care during and after childbirth is given on the basis of the patient's need and preference, rather than ability to pay/insurance.

I thought your government want to introduce this?

beckskiThreads: 19 Posts: 2,105 Joined: May 15, 07 MEMBER ♀	Feb 3, 10, 22:13 #11
jonni: Why would somebody PAY a hospital? They are free Hospitalizations are not free in the U.S. Raising the child may also cause an enormous financial burden for the mother. Expenses may include, baby food and formula, diapers, clothing, child care expenses, etc. Honk if you love PF :)

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Edited by: jonni Feb 3, 10, 22:19 #12

beckski:

Hospitalizations are not free in the U.S.

Raising the child may also cause an enormous financial burden for the mother. Expenses may include, baby food and formula, diapers, clothing, child care expenses, etc.

In the UK, financial benefits for new mothers aren't bad, but child care (if the mother wants to work) is hugely expensive and of course the benefits drop somewhat if the mother is working.

American politics is for Americans - I tend to stay out of it since I can't influence it and am not much affected by it. But. I've been following the new administration's proposals for healthcare and really hope you get a National Health Service. It isn't ideal, but it takes a heck of a lot of worries away.

Before I came to PL it was hard for me to imagine a hospital where somebody asks you whether or not you're insured.

My own feeling is that the woman in question hadn't told her family back in PL and was deeply distressed.

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Feb 3, 10, 22:21 #13

jonni:

In the UK, medical care during and after childbirth is given on the basis of the patient's need and preference, rather than ability to pay/insurance.

I must admit, the liberal in me goes out of the window where this is concerned. EU citizens are one thing (and much easier to trace) - but where non-EU citizens are concerned, I'd fully support the refusal of entry of anyone pregnant unless it was obvious that they didn't intend to bail. I've seen a couple of cases in Aberdeen of Africans coming in, having the baby on the NHS, then being given a bill upon leaving. Fine and well - but do you think they paid? Of course not.

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Edited by: jonni Feb 3, 10, 22:28 #14

delphiandomine:

I'd fully support the refusal of entry of anyone pregnant unless it was obvious that they didn't intend to bail

There's a case for that. Under international protocols, Childbirth is considered a medical emergency, treated without question. Some people especially fly in to UK (and Ireland until they changed their citizenship laws) in order to give birth there, whether in a hospital or not.

The case is strong for getting the transfer (or proise to pay) from the person's government or insurer. But if none is forthcoming, there isn't much that can be done.

But Poles can give birth in UK hospitals without problems, and apparently many choose to. They don't usually leave the baby behind though.

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Feb 3, 10, 23:08 #15

delphiandomine:

andrewwright:
Then again could be a paki baby
And you wonder why no-one gives you a job in Poland?

So what makes you say that?

By the way, I've heard on the grapevine that there's driving jobs going if you've got an HGV licence. You'll have to spend up to 6 weeks away from home, but that's no issue for a hard working Brit like yourself, is it?

Looking at doing HGV this year back in good old UK(unless i can do it in Poland,a person of your knowledge might know if i can take it here)And spending time from home! Well i have done for the last 5 years so no probs,Its nice to see your thinking about me :-X

crusaderThreads: 4 Posts: 79 Joined: Jan 25, 09 ♂	Edited by: crusader Feb 4, 10, 17:48 #16
espana: YOU POLES ARE A SHAME It's a little unfair to generalise isn't it? I could fill a bus with people I know who are not Polish and also not fit to be parents. And the word should be 'disgrace', not 'shame', your sentence doesn't make any sense.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08 ♂	Feb 4, 10, 18:00 #17
crusader: It's a little unfair to generalise isn't it Practice what you preach mate!

theonlydevilThreads: 4 Posts: 5 Joined: Dec 29, 07 ♀	Feb 4, 10, 18:09 #18
The thing is that although it sounds shocking you cannot judge her as only she knows the full story as to why she left the baby. Having a baby in itself is a shock enough to the system.

crusaderThreads: 4 Posts: 79 Joined: Jan 25, 09 ♂	Feb 4, 10, 18:09 #19
time means: Practice what you preach mate! You should read what I said more carefully, I can't dumb it down anymore than I already have.

natasiaThreads: 2 Posts: 111 Joined: Jun 21, 08 ♀	Feb 4, 10, 22:23 #20
couldn't it be that her crazy jealous mad vodka-fuelled married lover killed her, as she gave birth rather than aborting the baby?? just a hunch.

ExiledThreads: 5 Posts: 729 Joined: Jan 17, 10 ♂	Feb 4, 10, 22:51 #21
This child is probably the product of shame.According to this inexclicable catholic culture the woman delivers the baby since she has no right to kill it and then abandons it since it is a product if shame and hoping it will get adopted etc but keeping away from her.Feked up logic prominent in some cases.

LAGirlThreads: 13 Posts: 598 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♀	Feb 5, 10, 20:06 #22
Let us know what happened in the end. it could be anything. Its pretty sad story.

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08 ♂	Feb 7, 10, 13:48 #23
beckski: I'm wondering if the woman lacked the financial means required, in order to pay the hospital for the delivery of her child She wouldn't have been charged and that's probably why she was here in the first place ie. to use the free services of the NHS to give birth.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 7, 10, 14:05 #24
Strange way to give a gift ;) ;) ;) Another case where Poland is misrepresented abroad by some moron who cheapens human life. May those who cheaply sought abortions burn too!! The people I know here are above that!

LAGirlThreads: 13 Posts: 598 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♀	Feb 10, 10, 20:48 #25
I agree seanus but I am wounder why she did that and what is happening now in the story.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 20, 10, 00:31 #26
She was likely under stress as women often are after giving birth. They are not at their most rational and things like that happen. I hope she did the right thing by the child and provided for him one way or another.

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Feb 20, 10, 01:39 #27

This is a story that happens all over the world unfortunately. We are not here to pass judgement. Only she will know why and for what reason. She is Polish, she could have been from anywhere. Women bear this predicament....isn't that enough that with all the problems that we face in life that someone has to make these choices....I'm glad I don't; I'm sooooo glad I don't have to. I feel bad that a woman has had to do this for what ever reason, because I know she feels a 100 times worst than I do, just thinking about it....

beelzebubThreads: - Posts: 515 Joined: Feb 16, 10 ♂	Feb 20, 10, 01:51 #28
Floripa: We are not here to pass judgement Says who? I find people who say such things judge often themselves. It's human nature. On topic there is NO excuse EVER for abandoning your child. Nobody forced her to get pregnant (unless she was raped obviously)

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