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scarbyirp Edited by: scarbyirp Jan 25, 08, 09:48 #1
	No immagination is secretly Polish . . . . Would it surprise you to know that in the 17thcentury, upwards of 40,000Scots (some figures state 60-90,000) immigrated to Poland? Religious persecution during the protestant reformation led many to leave to a clime which was religiously tolerant (by law since 1573). For others, their reasons were simple: a hope of improving their standards of living thus providing greater prospects for their futures. ScotsDiaspora

dtaylorThreads: 15 Posts: 1016 Joined: Sep 15, 07 Gender: Male Jan 25, 08, 09:50 #2
	chuckle

z_dariusThreads: 16 Posts: 3866 Joined: Oct 18, 07 Gender: Male Edited by: z_darius Jan 25, 08, 09:54 #3
	thus the Scotts who settled in Poland and loved kluski assumed the name Mac Klusky (that was for "kluski z makiem")

dtaylorThreads: 15 Posts: 1016 Joined: Sep 15, 07 Gender: Male Jan 25, 08, 10:00 #4
	does anyone think immagration really exists? think about it, polish person going to uk, but unknown to him his great great great great grandfather and mother were british in the first place, so really he would be more entitled to be there yes?

SeanusThreads: 17 Posts: 16665 Joined: Dec 25, 07 Gender: Male Jan 25, 08, 10:15 #5
	The Scots had large numbers in Poland a long time ago, being largely settled in and around the Poznan area. We also fought alongside the Poles. I don't think immagration really exists, immigration for sure

dtaylorThreads: 15 Posts: 1016 Joined: Sep 15, 07 Gender: Male Jan 25, 08, 10:22 #6
	typo:P

SeanusThreads: 17 Posts: 16665 Joined: Dec 25, 07 Gender: Male Jan 25, 08, 10:31 #7
	It paints Scots as tax evaders, hehehe. There's a difference between being shrewd and being a criminal tho. Poles, b4 May 2004, flocked to Banff and Macduff in Scotland. My grandmother remembers hearing of their exploits way 50/60 years ago. Nothing is missed in small coastal towns, hehehe

lynda wilcoxThreads: 1 Posts: 12 Joined: Jan 20, 08 Gender: Female Jan 25, 08, 11:18 #8
	So he is a scots, engilsh, polish immigrant then?????????/ If he exists? If he does then of course he has more right to be whereever he wants to be than anyone else, his type ALWAYS DO. And what about his imaginary friend? Chuckle chuckle.

noimmigration Jan 25, 08, 14:58 #9
	100s of thousands of poles have migrated into scotland in the past two years. How many scots have migrated to poland in the last ten years. ?

NO 14Threads: 8 Posts: 56 Joined: Dec 15, 07 Gender: Male Edited by: NO 14 Jan 25, 08, 15:02 #10
	Who cares "noimmigration"? Why are you even here? I know the answer to your pointless question, do you? I think you will be suprised!

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2448 Joined: Feb 27, 07 Gender: Male Jan 26, 08, 12:48 #11
	lynda wilcox wrote: If he does then of course he has more right to be whereever he wants to be than anyone else, his type ALWAYS DO. Did your father ever run a fish and chip shop in Surrey? I only ask because she was a Lynda Wilcox and the shop was even banned and closed down by environmental health officers.

scarbyirp Edited by: scarbyirp Jan 26, 08, 12:55 #12
	noimmigration wrote: 100s of thousands of poles have migrated into scotland in the past two years. Given that say 60,000-90,000 Scots emigrated to Poland in the 1700's, exponentially through birth and marriage there is probably somewhere in the region of 500,000 Poles with Scottish blood today. Maybe, you should go to Glasgow airport arrivals lounge with a big 'WELCOME HOME!' banner.

SeanusThreads: 17 Posts: 16665 Joined: Dec 25, 07 Gender: Male Feb 24, 08, 13:56 #13
	100s of thousands, a big exaggeration. Over a 100,000 for sure. Not 800,000 for example. Is he still suspended?

KilklineThreads: 3 Posts: 903 Joined: Jul 23, 07 Gender: Male Feb 25, 08, 05:43 #14
	scarbyirp wrote: For others, their reasons were simple: a hope of improving their standards of living thus providing greater prospects for their futures. Lol. Maybe they also thought 'Hey, lets go to a land with a less harsh climate that isnt invaded by its neighbours and has a people that doesnt rely on alcohol.'

incubusThreads: 1 Posts: 151 Joined: Apr 9, 08 Gender: Female Apr 10, 08, 09:48 #15
	scarbyirp: Given that say 60,000-90,000 Scots emigrated to Poland in the 1700's, exponentially through birth and marriage there is probably somewhere in the region of 500,000 Poles with Scottish blood today. Maybe, you should go to Glasgow airport arrivals lounge with a big 'WELCOME HOME!' banner. LOL i`m one of the poles with scotch in their blood. ok i meant with scotch blood in their veins :P from my father`s side (he`s from around poznan area) there is a scottish link and i`m not sure exactly what clan my ancestors belonged to as it was my late uncle who did the family tree and when he died in the 80`s the tree got lost (he probably took it with him into his grave or something). so i`m gonna ask my dad to try and do the family tree cuz i really wanna know my scottish roots better cuz all the evidence i got now is the reddish colour of hair that`s ever so popular in my dad`s family. i`m very proud of my scottish roots that all i really wanted to say :)

GroundedThreads: 4 Posts: 121 Joined: Jun 2, 07 Gender: Male Apr 10, 08, 10:57 #16
	scarbyirp: Glasgow airport arrivals lounge Ermm its actually Paisley International

MatyjaszThreads: 2 Posts: 1689 Joined: Jul 20, 06 Gender: Male Apr 10, 08, 11:49 #17
	Seanus: The Scots had large numbers in Poland a long time ago, being largely settled in and around the Poznan area. We also fought alongside the Poles. I don't think immagration really exists, immigration for sure Could the surname Walla be a Scotish surname by any chance Seanus?

noimmigration Apr 10, 08, 11:51 #18
	wallace is a scottish surname, walla is not.

MatyjaszThreads: 2 Posts: 1689 Joined: Jul 20, 06 Gender: Male Apr 10, 08, 11:55 #19
	noimmigration: wallace is a scottish surname, walla is not. Ahh yes, and it best goes with the name Wiliam... :) Thanks for the response.

BubbaWooThreads: 45 Posts: 4474 Joined: Sep 26, 06 Gender: Male Apr 10, 08, 11:57 #20
	walla is somebody who is employed to do a particluar task Maty tea walla is somebody who makes the tea

szkotja2007Threads: 40 Posts: 2405 Joined: Dec 29, 06 Gender: Male Edited by: szkotja2007 Apr 10, 08, 12:26 #21
	noimmigration: wallace is a scottish surname the name Wallace may mean "Welsh", or possibly 'foreigner'. So anyway, William Wallace - one of your heroes noimagination ? - I doubt it.

MaliThreads: - Posts: 334 Joined: Mar 3, 08 Gender: Female Apr 10, 08, 12:28 #22
	szkotja2007: William William is originally an Old German name. Comes from Wilhelm. I think Margaret Thatcher is his heroine ;) szkotja2007: So anyway, William Wallace - one of your heroes noimagination ? - I doubt it.

BartolomeThreads: 2 Posts: 1175 Joined: Sep 14, 06 Gender: Male Apr 10, 08, 12:30 #23
	Mali: I think Margaret Thatcher is his heroine ;) I think it's Adolf H. and his ideologist, Arthur Rosenberg.

MaliThreads: - Posts: 334 Joined: Mar 3, 08 Gender: Female Apr 10, 08, 12:36 #24
	Bartolome: I think it's Adolf H. and his ideologist, Arthur Rosenberg. LOL! You're right...except that Adolf wasn't British. Noimmigration hates all things (and people) that aren't British. Except that he doesn't seem to be all that popular with the British people on this board. He doesn't realize what an embarrassment he is to his beloved nation.

BartolomeThreads: 2 Posts: 1175 Joined: Sep 14, 06 Gender: Male Apr 10, 08, 12:40 #25
	Mali: LOL! You're right...except that Adolf wasn't British. Noimmigration hates all things (and people) that aren't British. People like him like to bend the rules, if you know what I mean.

miranda Apr 10, 08, 12:44 #26
	Mali: LOL! You're right...except that Adolf wasn't British. Noimmigration hates all things (and people) that aren't British. Except that he doesn't seem to be all that popular with the British people on this board. He doesn't realize what an embarrassment he is to his beloved nation. well, it is possible that his roots are not British at all. He might be the first generation immigrant and those are the worst. I have a friend who is Jamaican, born and raised in London, England and she think that she is white. She is more noble than any noble person, which is quite funny to watch. It is a way of compensating for the first generation immigrant hardships and her parents low paying jobs. So maybe non parents were cleaners. He also dosen't really value women in general. He has got a lot of anxieties and isecurities, but who wants to put up with this s**t.

DaisyThreads: 6 Posts: 1454 Joined: Apr 28, 07 Gender: Female Apr 10, 08, 12:44 #27
	Bartolome: Mali: I think Margaret Thatcher is his heroine ;) I think it's Adolf H. and his ideologist, Arthur Rosenberg. Nah, you're both wrong, Alf Garnett is his inspiration

MaliThreads: - Posts: 334 Joined: Mar 3, 08 Gender: Female Apr 10, 08, 12:49 #28
	miranda: well, it is possible that his roots are not British at all. He might be the first generation immigrant and those are the worst. I have a friend who is Jamaican, born and raised in London, England and she think that she is white. She is more noble than any noble person, which is quite funny to watch. It is a way of compensating for the first generation immigrant hardships and her parents low paying jobs. So maybe non parents were cleaners. He also dosen't really value women in general. He has got a lot of anxieties and isecurities, but who wants to put up with this s**t. You`re probably right. Noimmigration is probably a child of Eastern European immigrants and is feeling the competition lol! I feel sorry for anyone that has to put up with him on a daily basis. Daisy: Nah, you're both wrong, Alf Garnett is his inspiration OMG!!! That is soooo funny! Noimmigration, you're famous!

MatyjaszThreads: 2 Posts: 1689 Joined: Jul 20, 06 Gender: Male Apr 10, 08, 12:49 #29
	BubbaWoo: walla is somebody who is employed to do a particluar task Maty tea walla is somebody who makes the tea Interesting. My childhood best friends name was Wala. They knew for certain that this name has been altered by their grandfather and prevoius to that change it was spelled Walla. Whether this was the original they didn't know. Since we live near Poznan I just thought that they may have some Scotish ancestors. Is the term walla an english term?

osiolThreads: 71 Posts: 5029 Joined: Jul 25, 07 Gender: Male Apr 10, 08, 12:58 #30
	szkotja2007: the name Wallace may mean "Welsh", or possibly 'foreigner' Lots of people were described as Wlesh, or various different forms of the word. There was a group of Celts the Romans cvalled Volcae. (Ask Crow, he'll tell you they were Slavs). The name was borrowed into Germanic as *walkhaz to mean Celts generally. This word gave us the modern names of Wales (and derived surnames such as Wallace), Walloons (French-speaking Belgians) and Vlachs (various Romanian groups). In Polish, the Vlachs are called Wołosi (or is that Wołosi?). Does anyone know if that is anything to do with why Italy is called Włochy, and why is that plural (if I got that right)? Anyway, southern Scotland was in Roman times inhabited by Brythonic speakers (Welsh) rather than Goidelic speakers (Scots, Irish). So Scotland's heritage is a mixture of Welsh, Irish, Pictish (whatever that means), Roman and Saxon... and Viking... and Norman... and Polish (ha ha!)

szkotja2007Threads: 40 Posts: 2405 Joined: Dec 29, 06 Gender: Male Apr 10, 08, 13:06 #31
	osiol: Pictish (whatever that means) Painted people - a lot of "celtic" designs are actually Pictish. I would say I am more of a Pict than a Scot. Due to looks and geography.

MaliThreads: - Posts: 334 Joined: Mar 3, 08 Gender: Female Apr 10, 08, 13:10 #32
	osiol: Pictish odd...wtf is Pictish... osiol: Anyway, southern Scotland was in Roman times inhabited by Brythonic speakers (Welsh) rather than Goidelic speakers (Scots, Irish). So Scotland's heritage is a mixture of Welsh, Irish, Pictish (whatever that means), Roman and Saxon... and Viking... and Norman... and Polish (ha ha!) None of this surprises me because Polish and Slavic people have a long history with the Saxons, Vikings and Normans. Its also why this part of Europe Austria upwards is a lot `whiter` than other parts of Europe.

osiolThreads: 71 Posts: 5029 Joined: Jul 25, 07 Gender: Male Edited by: osiol Apr 10, 08, 13:12 #33
	szkotja2007: I am more of a Pict than a Scot A wearer of woad then? Will you be changing your name to Piktja2008 and getting a nice new Piktja to go with it for your avatar? Mali: odd...wtf is Pictish... Try reading this- Piktowie.

BartolomeThreads: 2 Posts: 1175 Joined: Sep 14, 06 Gender: Male Apr 10, 08, 13:32 #34
	Mali: odd...wtf is Pictish... The 'good guys (and one Keira Knightley)' in 'King Arthur' movie.

MaliThreads: - Posts: 334 Joined: Mar 3, 08 Gender: Female Apr 10, 08, 13:34 #35
	osiol: Try reading this- Piktowie. Thanks! I read the English version because the Polish would take me all day and tomorrow :) Bartolome: The 'good guys (and one Keira Knightley)' in 'King Arthur' movie. Oh good, so they're not villains :)

BartolomeThreads: 2 Posts: 1175 Joined: Sep 14, 06 Gender: Male Apr 10, 08, 13:38 #36
	Mali: Oh good, so they're not villains :) I'm not sure. They paint themselves blue, and that's the colour of Rangers Football Club.

szkotja2007Threads: 40 Posts: 2405 Joined: Dec 29, 06 Gender: Male Apr 10, 08, 13:41 #37
	Of course they are the good guys - they tended to be taller and fairer than the Scots. Bartolome: They paint themselves blue, and that's the colour of Rangers Football Club. You have been in Glasgow too long Bart, you should go north young man - sample the real Scotland !

OscypekThreads: - Posts: 117 Joined: Jan 11, 07 Gender: Male Edited by: Oscypek Apr 10, 08, 13:55 #38
	scarbyirp: Would it surprise you to know that in the 17thcentury, upwards of 40,000Scots (some figures state 60-90,000) immigrated to Poland? Religious persecution during the protestant reformation led many to leave to a clime which was religiously tolerant (by law since 1573). For others, their reasons were simple: a hope of improving their standards of living thus providing greater prospects for their futures. This is not surprising. Many things like this happened in the past. Have a look at this from another thread: http://www.polishforums.com/index.php?action=search&loc=1&forum=28&top ic=13890&page=246737 "From 1670 to 1710, between 40,000 and 50,000 (French) Huguenots moved to England." At the time the population of England was 5,240,000. See this site for more information. oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php% 3Ftitle=1720&chapter=77639&layout=html At this time it is thought that 400,000 Polish people have moved to the UK where the current population is about 60,587,000. See this site for confirmation: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=6 It is also thought that one in every four English people have French Huguenot ancestry. These sites have more information on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huguenot bbc.co.uk/legacies/immig_emig/england/london/article_1.shtm

BartolomeThreads: 2 Posts: 1175 Joined: Sep 14, 06 Gender: Male Apr 10, 08, 13:58 #39
	szkotja2007: You have been in Glasgow too long Bart, you should go north young man - sample the real Scotland ! Sure thing - when the wet season finishes and the slightly less wet season starts :)

isthatu2Threads: 2 Posts: 887 Joined: Apr 3, 08 Gender: Male Edited by: isthatu2 Apr 10, 08, 18:31 #40
	incubus: i`m one of the poles with scotch in their blood. ok i meant with scotch blood in their veins :P If your serious about tracing your Scottish heritage,do us all a favour and stop talking about Scotch...Scotch is a drink,the word you are looking for is Scots. Matyjasz: Is the term walla an english term? No,bubba spelled it wrong Im afraid,the word he is refering to is 2Wallah",ie tea wallah,,House Wallah etc,its from one of the Indian languages and like so many words in current use in the UK comes from the days of the RAJ. Like kahki and bungelow and shuftie and kharzi etc etc.

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