Unemployed Poles in Ireland : a crash course in milking the system

what part?

The fact a fellow countryman is such a tool. Especially given the Irish history of emigration over the centuries.

Where are you from?

Third time asking this basic question btw.

We emigrated, so it's fine
Answer- No, we did not go to non-white countries and completely change or threaten the very nature of their populations. We went to white European made countries, which we helped design, build, fought for and spilled blood for, like other Europeans.When we emigrated we did not and are not entitled to health care, insurance, social welfare. They have very strict immigration rules.You are kicked out if illegal and barred from visiting there again.

Don't worry about it: every nation has its complete and utter tossers. Just look at that new English poster who boasts about threatening women.

From Wexford, not that it matters.

As for going to 'white countries', not sure the Native Americans would agree. Or indeed Argentina as a throwaway example where large numbers of Irish emigrated in 19th century.

@Harry true enough.

"Unemployed Poles in Ireland : a crash course in milking the system"
idiotic statement, look at your countries banking system and the money they still. Poles has nothing to do with your corrupt banks and politicians get a brain and use it.

who lost billions Poles or banks and the politicians put austerity measures on people to pay bad bets by banks.

Milky.
No, it's not a Riddle.
I don't understand why do people from Poland sit in Ireland and "milk" the system. Do they have a kind of personal feeling that in fact they use a system of support of a different, not their native country.

I will go further.
Why do Irish government agrees with the system for foreigners, especially Polish people? I am close to say they are useless. In fact they are.

I wasn't in Ireland for ten years, but I remember a glorious country.
Unemployment, taking jobs of the natives, doesn't suits to North. Ireland.

They no more milk the system than the locals, in fact a damn sight less.

To be honest haven't really understand your point Noreen, more my fault than yours I suspect, but Poles are treated no different to anyone else in Ireland, local or foreign. Well aside from some small differences, like requesting PESEL numbers on some forms, and having forms available in Polish (they are also available in German, French etc as well)

Produce figures to back up that statement.

They are not locals. They are emmigrants. Are treated. Good for them. If something is good enough for you in fact means is too bad.

They went there to work, not to milk the system.
Just. (...)Where is your ambition people?

Without working first there could be hardly any "milking".
How could you qualify for 99% of benefits available there if you hadn't worked (and paid taxes) for a good few years before that?

Revoke - youre the one making wild claims. Would be happy to reasses my position if you back your argument up with anything concrete or valid

Because I heard.
How could who?
Who are you to disccus with me like it?
99 percent available there?
Who is available there?
Free Irish idiots? Maybe from othere countries? Or free children?
Nothing is for free.
For jobs you pay with your own work. Am I oldfashioned enough? I am.

Yours choice, lady kangaroo.

Oh, I am sorry. I will speak no more, your highness <bow>

Wrong. Lets look at Magda.

First off, she stopped working. She didnt lose her job. Why did she stop working? To live on welfare. She admits this herself.

She earned €200 a week. Must have been part time. I doubt she is the sort who had have allowed herself to be exploited. She is very well versed in her "entitlements". She signed on as part of a plan to set herself up as a professional, self-employed masseur. She gets a welfare payment and after paying for her house (rent allowance) she says she has €172 per week of which €40 a month goes for the internet and a landline phone, €35 for a mobile. Leaving her with €100 approx. per week to spend as disposable income.

She gets a 'warm clothing allowance'. (How? There's nothing For thabout this on the HSE website, never heard of it before).

So, lets do the math.

€267 * 52 = €13,884 per annum. She plans to be in receipt of this for 42 months before she goes on the back to work scheme.

Lets say she was earning minimum wage, for the previous years she worked here.

2 years on min. wage of €8.65 per hour - €364 per week, she claims she worked part time, but I am being generous here. She will have paid €1,753 maximum over her working life in the Irish state. More likely, one third of that.

For that, she will pocket €48,954 over a 42 month period, her rent paid and the state to pay for her to attend courses, to learn how to drive, plus the nixers she freely admits to undertaking.


Cool.

Foreign nationals make up circa 14% of the population yet 18% of the live register. Remember, naturalised immigrants are considered Irish in all government issued statistics, so in reality the 18% figure is much higher.

Which puts to bed your earlier claim that......


One in three of those in receipt of housing allowance, are foreigners.

In fact, in parts of Dublin over 80% of those on the housing list, are foreign born(Fingal for example).


Once you have made 104 prsi contributiions in an EU state, two of which were in Ireland, you qualify for Jobseekers benefit.

Once you qualify as "habitual resident" in the state, you qualify for Jobseekers Allowance.

Proof of rent, internet bill, Irish bank account etc will normally suffice.

Or do you think all the roma gypsies, Nigerian failed asylum seekers or burqa clad middle eastern women without a word of the local lingo have a two year previous working history in the state?

lol

I would, as I have the original publication in front of me, but having in mind how many factual mistakes and misinterpretations are here (re: habitual residency, benefits requirements, percentages - you obviously have not checked the age groups for example)... My heart sank so deep that I really don't see the way to fish it out any time soon and respond to this.

Is the freeloader claiming circa 50 large after putting in just one, yes or no?

Did she give up her job to claim welfare, yes or no?

Did she claim that the Irish people are stuck with her, yes or no?

Is she biding her time to gain access to the back to work scheme, so if her business fails(which it will), she can go back on normal welfare, yes or no?

Is she a freeloader? Certainly.

Are there thousands more just like her after moving to this country? Most definitely.

mrci.ie/Reports-&-Leaflets

First document on that list is worth reading through in detail. Rebuts most of your points

A quango inspired propaganda piece.

I asked you, not Migrant Rights Ireland.

Will people please stop replying to Nazis. Whats the point??do you think you can reason with a guy who even hates everyone in Ireland who is not from Dublin.

She's doing nothing illegal, she has just as much a right to draw the dole as you do.


No, she went on the dole because it was the only way that she could do a FAS course. She didn't have a job at the time, because she had moved back to Ireland after the tourist season in Donegal.


"I had been unemployed on and off. Then I came back to Dunfanaghy after the season was over, and it's very hard to find a job then. I went to social welfare to ask what options I have. I had a conversation with a Fás officer to see what's possible for me. And then I decided if it is possible to do a course or two and then start my own business straight away, that would be fantastic."


Indeed she did say that, both in that Irish Times article and also on the John Murray radio show on RTE1, however in both cases the comment is made in jest and there's nothing bad in it


I severally believe that she doesn't want her business to fail, why would anybody want that? She'll lose every cent she's saved to put into it. If it does go down the swanny then yea she'll be entitled to go back on the dole, but there's nothing illegal or untoward in that. Every EU citizen living in Ireland has that right.


No more than anyone else in Ireland on the dole. At least "Magda" is trying to get out of her situation and will be trying to set up her own business and has taken on a FAS course to improve her education. There are a whole load of lazy so-and-so's in Ireland that should be doing the same.


C'mon jackeen, the vast majority of people who moved to Ireland moved there to find work, work, with the exception of Roma gypsies and some asylum seekers, who are not legally allowed to work until their application for asylum is processed. (Which is pretty stupid btw). And also man, you gotta say that a huge amount of the unskilled workers who worked on sites and farms around the country have gone home.

Same stupidity there?

There was a well known case in Glasgow where a Bosnian doctor (with quite an impressive history) wasn't allowed to work, despite him being very willing to start working straight away - and the NHS wanted him. Absolutely absurd.

I'd actually say that the willingness of an asylum seeker to work should have an impact on the decision.

yea, it's dumb, they're actually given an allowance AFAIK

Why didnt he apply for a visa instead of asylum, so?

Happened to a couple I knew from Iran. They came to Britain (where they'd studied medicine) as a real emergency with days to go before being arrested back home. No time to apply for a visa though they'd certainly have got one if they had. They were well-to-do people with funds outside Iran, and they rented a big house in a decent area and put their kids in private school. They weren't by any means a drain on the state - if anything the reverse.

As asylum seekers though they weren't allowed to work - even on a voluntary basis. They offered to work at the local hospital for free, to keep their professional skills up-to-date and as a way of saying thank you. But no, they had to sit at home instead for two years waiting for their (successful) application to be processed.


Something tells me he's closer to all that than many on here.

Of course, their only option was to come to europe, bypassing dozens of safe countries along the way........

One cant fail to notice all those highly skilled professional males queuing up in Calais, fleeing oppression, with Ireland and the UK the only countries that can safe them from tyranny.

The vast majority of asylum seekers are bogus. Its amazing how you and mickey have similar tales. Simply amazing.

Their best option was to come to the country where they'd studied medicine, which they knew and liked.


Those who are granted asylum are far from bogus.

Granted refugee status, you mean?

The vast majority are refused refugee status, but given leave to remain on humanitarian grounds. Deportations are minuscule.

Also, something like 80 per cent of asylum seekers are male, why do you think that is?

FFS, we had asylum seekers arriving here from Poland pre- EU enlargement.


Sure, sure.

And good that we do it.


Sure.

Lets cut to the chase here, you would happily support open borders, wouldnt you?