Videos: The Poles are coming!

enkiduThreads: 18 Posts: 983 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jul 7, 10, 00:34 #1
The Poles are coming! Peterborough deluge. http://www.youtube.com/user/sebastiansz#g/c/B6EBC5BBB6B7D21E Highly recommended.

Sire BrensharThreads: 1 Posts: 86 Joined: Jan 23, 10 ♂	Jul 7, 10, 02:18 #2
A very good video, clearly explaining the entire problem.

enkiduThreads: 18 Posts: 983 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Edited by: enkidu Jul 8, 10, 21:31 #3
Sire Brenshar: A very good video, clearly explaining the entire problem. Oh thanks! I like this moment when the young brit lads are walking away with the comment: "F***k off, this is a job for the Poles" when offered a hard job for a good money on the fields. All this after braging for some time to the camera how Poles-are-taking-our-jobs-and-nothing-left-for-us kind of usual speech. (lol)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 8, 10, 21:53 #4
Yeah, I watched that documentary some time ago and it hammered home the laziness of some Brits. However, there are even more hard-working ones that are struggling to find work due to malpractice in their chosen industry. It's a crying shame when you amass so much experience in an industry, only to be out on your ear some time later through no fault of your own.

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Jul 8, 10, 22:07 #5

Seanus:

Yeah, I watched that documentary some time ago and it hammered home the laziness of some Brits. However, there are even more hard-working ones that are struggling to find work due to malpractice in their chosen industry. It's a crying shame when you amass so much experience in an industry, only to be out on your ear some time later through no fault of your own.

Yeah, I understand that. But today's buzz-word is "flexibility". And the Poles, who are willing to change their environment, country, culture, trade etc are a natural-born winners over Brits who are stuck to "their chosen industry".
I am not saying this is a good thing. I merely saying that is how it is. And the Poles are obviously are winning this game.
BTW - somewhere in this documentary it is said that the Peterborough has got the fastest growing economy within all other UK's counties. I think it speaks for itself and doesn't need any additional explanation.

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Jul 8, 10, 22:13 #6

Well, they tend to change it for a short time and generally for money. Think about it, only a select few really go for experience as many couldn't find jobs matching their experience here in the first place. It's not always easy to transfer your experience between 2 different countries. Many employers seem to view it in a negative light.

Peterborough has many Pakistani people too. It has attracted many Baltic people too so I think it does require more explanation :)

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Jul 8, 10, 22:31 #7

Seanus:

Well, they tend to change it for a short time and generally for money.

Do you work for an ideas? Does world economy base on ideas?
Of course - they are doing it for money.

There is another thread on this forum (about the 303 squadron) - these people defended the UK in the name of international brotherhood and friendship. They didn't end up quite well.
So - the next wave of Poles are interested in the money only.
The lesson is learned.

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Edited by: Amathyst Jul 8, 10, 22:35 #8

enkidu:

But today's buzz-word is "flexibility".

No its not, its "cheap labour" flouncing under the guise of "competitiveness"

The programme is a load of rubbish and showed a load of institutionalised scroungers and not your "typical" working class Brit.

enkidu:

these people defended the UK in the name of international brotherhood and friendship.

No they didnt, they came here because they had no where else to go and were given the tools to do a job they couldnt manage in Poland, you're right some things never change!

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Jul 8, 10, 22:40 #9

What is "an ideas", enkidu? An is one of sth general. Don't make out that they are going through a cultural immersion elsewhere as they are merely money grabbing.

The world economy relies on innovation in products so ideas are important. Where would we be without modern inventions and Scotland? ;) ;)

Enkidu, we see the Polish underclass doing crappy work generally and sending money home in their utopian ideal for a better future there. Kommie will put paid to that, LOL

AmathystThreads: 30 Posts: 3,968 Joined: Nov 10, 06 ♀	Edited by: Amathyst Jul 8, 10, 22:42 #10
Seanus: Where would we be without modern inventions and Scotland? ;) ;) And architecture! My fav Scot of all times, this man I have pure admiration for.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Rennie_Mackintosh

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Jul 8, 10, 22:52 #11

Amathyst:

No its not, its "cheap labour" flouncing under the guise of "competitiveness"

The programme is a load of rubbish and showed a load of institutionalised scroungers and not your "typical" working class Brit.

But the Peterborough county is getting richer. The Poles are getting richer. Their dream of a better future become a reality. Day by day. Step by step.

And what about the traditional fossilized Brits? Those stuck to their trades and unwilling to take any other job? Or even try out? What about them?
All they can do is moan. And they are doing it. With a great proficiency.

(lol)

Seanus:

What is "an ideas", enkidu?

"Ideas" - like when you work for a better future of the humanity and not for money.

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Edited by: Seanus Jul 8, 10, 22:53 #12

He made seminal contributions to that field for sure, Am :)

Enkidu, are you aware that trade unions have bent over backwards for Poles? They even have jobs specifically for Poles which is, in my book, discriminatory practice. I'm not gonna cry a river but that just ain't right.

Then ideas is plural and not singular, right? Getting richer? Peterborough is a hole. I've watched a documentary on it AND my wife worked and lived there for some time. Sb is spreading lies as Poles there do crappy jobs. She even said so! I'd take her word over a shoddy report by a journalist chasing a story anyday of the week.

enkiduThreads: 18 Posts: 983 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jul 8, 10, 22:58 #13
Seanus: I'm not gonna cry a river but that just ain't right. Do something about it. You have got every right to act on this matter. Don't just sit on your hands and moan. Because I am telling you - the Poles wouldn't stop by their own decision. BTW - There is something deeply ironic that this Pole-deluge wouldn't be possible without support from the British employers and consumers.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 8, 10, 23:01 #14
By saying that sth isn't right isn't moaning, just stating! Of course they won't. They are just exercising their legitimate rights. No, many Brits are notorious for their self interest and capitalising so it's not surprising for me.

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Jul 8, 10, 23:10 #15

enkidu:

BTW - There is something deeply ironic that this Pole-deluge wouldn't be possible without support from the British employers and consumers.

And so the lie that Britain is full of "jobs the British won't do" just goes on and on!

Do you realise that there are now SEVENTY applicants for every job available in the UK, yet the Government keeps on allowing them in? Believe me, no ordinary British "consumers" were consulted on this, but if unemployment keeps on rising, I suspect that a lot of British people will start to vote with their fists.

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Edited by: enkidu Jul 8, 10, 23:11 #16

Seanus:

By saying that sth isn't right isn't moaning, just stating!

"Just saying" - that all you Brits do.

There was a guy on this forum, who claim that he owns a company. He said that he don't employ any non-british people and avoid to do any business with non-British companies.
My deepest respect to this one.

He shall have got a huge promotion on the media, get some medal, OBE or at least a handshake from the Queen! Because he is the one who actually doing something.

The rest of Brits are enjoying their state benefits and cheap pork at Tesco.

NorthMancPolak:

Do you realise that there are now SEVENTY applicants for every job available in the UK

No, I didn't realise that. Where you got this data?
From The Sun?

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Jul 8, 10, 23:16 #17

What, would you rather be turfed out unceremoniously by unruly mobs hellbent on your exit? Count your lucky stars that the police in Britain are so professional that they wouldn't allow widescale harrassment of Poles. Some could easily turn a blind eye!

Many Brits are looking for work. Appreciate what you have, enkidu. I do. I'm happy to have minimal competition here. As NMP said, many ARE going for jobs and have been for a very long time. They have mouths to feed and life doesn't stop. So I suggest that you be grateful for the chances the EU gave you and recognise your immigrant status.

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Jul 8, 10, 23:31 #18

Seanus:

What, would you rather be turfed out unceremoniously by unruly mobs hellbent on your exit? Count your lucky stars that the police in Britain are so professional that they wouldn't allow widescale harrassment of Poles. Some could easily turn a blind eye!

And then we will see. We Poles are quite accustomed to the urban warfare. (Just saying)

Many Brits are looking for work.

And the Poles are getting these jobs. In British factories, on British farms - British employer are prefering Poles over Brits! Why do you think they are doing this?

Appreciate what you have, enkidu. I do. I'm happy to have minimal competition here. As NMP said, many ARE going for jobs and have been for a very long time. They have mouths to feed and life doesn't stop.

But they are not so desperate to do any job, right? They want easy job for a good money and a holidays in Spain two times a year. Otherwise they are prefer to rely on the state benefits and watch East Enders all day long. Losers.

So I suggest that you be grateful for the chances the EU gave you and recognise your immigrant status.

I am grateful for the opportunity.
And I did a lot to catch it. I stand firmly on my own legs, I can provide for myself and my loved ones. And if I would see another opportunity somewhere else - I will jump on it! And I will catch it or die trying. Even if that involves that I will have to learn Mandarin.

Unlike most Britts I know, who are rather like to sit on their comfortable sofas, waiting for someone (God? Government? Who knows) who would come one day and will put their miserable passive life on the right track.

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Jul 8, 10, 23:33 #19

Seanus:

What, would you rather be turfed out unceremoniously by unruly mobs hellbent on your exit? Count your lucky stars that the police in Britain are so professional that they wouldn't allow widescale harrassment of Poles. Some could easily turn a blind eye!

Many Brits are looking for work. Appreciate what you have, enkidu. I do. I'm happy to have minimal competition here. As NMP said, many ARE going for jobs and have been for a very long time. They have mouths to feed and life doesn't stop. So I suggest that you be grateful for the chances the EU gave you and recognise your immigrant status.

100% in agreement.

I'd love to see a few million ethnic British exercise their right to freely look for work in Poland under EU law and start "competing" for Polish jobs. I know it's unlikely to happen, but seeing enkidu's smug smile wiped off his face as British workers start throwing Polish workers on the dole would be great fun :D

Poland's unemployment rate is still higher than the UK's, and that's after millions of Poles left to seek work (or benefits) abroad. If Polish workers make such an incredible difference to an economy, then why can't they just stay at home and make that difference to their own economy? Oh, I forgot... they can't. Which explains why China, South Korea and Japan managed to build world-beating economies out of nothing, but Poland is still blaming the war and Communism - they got off their a*ses and did it, whereas Poland just blames the past. And you have the nerve to say that Brits do nothing but moan!

Face it, enkidu... Poland needs the West more than the West needs Poland, and your country is also full of lazy unemployable idiots who won't work!

enkiduThreads: 18 Posts: 983 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jul 8, 10, 23:36 #20
NorthMancPolak: I'd love to see a few million ethnic British exercise their right to freely look for work in Poland under EU law and start "competing" for Polish jobs They are free to do it! They have a right to live and work in Poland, as they wish. But the sofas are so comfortable... lol

MagdalenaThreads: 5 Posts: 1,389 Joined: Aug 15, 07 ♀	Jul 8, 10, 23:46 #21
Seanus: So I suggest that you be grateful for the chances the EU gave you and recognise your immigrant status. Spoken like a true son of the British Empire.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Jul 9, 10, 00:00 #22
enkidu: And the Poles, who are willing to change their environment, country, culture, trade etc are a natural-born winners over Brits who are stuck to "their chosen industry". lol, you've must be kiddin. Go to Lodz. I guess 30% of its population isnt flexible...

NorthMancPolakThreads: 6 Posts: 708 Joined: Jun 13, 10 ♂	Edited by: NorthMancPolak Jul 9, 10, 00:01 #23
enkidu: But the sofas are so comfortable... lol Everyone I've ever visited in Poland owns several sofas, unless you come from some wies where people use straw to sit on instead lol. zetigrek: lol, you've must be kiddin. Go to Lodz. I guess 30% of its population isnt flexible... pwned! lol

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Jul 9, 10, 00:02 #24

Urban warfare? You are in a foreign land, you will get creamed for being stupid.

Eh, because they are cheaper. That's your reason.

Your stereotypes grow thin, enkidu. At least they are in their own country and one that can generate jobs for many immigrants. What does Poland have for foreigners compared to Britain? Is it a cash cow? No, didn't think so.

There are people like that in Poland too. Many people here just gibber and I wonder what they do to get money.

A true son of the British Empire? I dislike what it represented, very much so actually. So, good try with the labelling but it's not for me. I'm just being practical.

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Jul 9, 10, 00:05 #25

enkidu:

But the sofas are so comfortable... lol

Why would people work in poverty when they can live with a decent life? You seem to have a go at Brits sitting on their asses but yet dont explain why so many Poles are unemployed in their own country? Poland welfare system is currently a sham but more Poles are out of work than most countries in the EU. But what are they doing with their lives? And for the same matter what are you doing slagging of another countries workforce when you yourself cant handle life in your own country. You obviously don't know much about the history of employment in the UK or you would have known how many ex-pat Brits worked abroad during the 70's or 80's, for example the builders who made their livings in Germany while sustaining families in the UK.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 9, 10, 00:09 #26
Strong post, Davie, good one! I see the arguments for the Poles very well but enkidu shows anything but a balanced approach. What would Poland's unemployment figure be if their 1/38th of their population returned? It would jump very noticeably.

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Edited by: NorthMancPolak Jul 9, 10, 00:13 #27

dtaylor5632:

You obviously don't know much about the history of employment in the UK or you would have known how many ex-pat Brits worked abroad during the 70's or 80's, for example the builders who made their livings in Germany while sustaining families in the UK.

Or, for that matter, how many jobs have been lost in British industry during the past few decades: millions!

The irony is, he is too stupid to realise that Poland also used to have many of these kind of jobs (textiles in Łódź, shipbuilding in Trójmiasto, etc) but they were moved abroad as well. And what did those "resourceful" Poles replace those jobs with? Not a lot. Which is why so many had to move abroad.

Poles are effectively the Filipinos of Europe - and I'm not being disrespectful to Filipinos (I have nothing but respect for them), I'm just pointing out the similarities in how both nations make a significant proportion of their money.

Seanus:

I see the arguments for the Poles very well but enkidu shows anything but a balanced approach.

He's starting to sound like the legendary ola123 :)

CRACOVIA1906Threads: - Posts: 60 Joined: Sep 18, 09 ♂	Jul 9, 10, 00:15 #28
Haha a paki saying "stop all immigration"

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Jul 9, 10, 00:28 #29

dtaylor5632:

Why would people work in poverty when they can live with a decent life?

Because being dependent on the welfare system, getting money for nothing makes them vulnerable? It's a matter of principles

You seem to have a go at Brits sitting on their asses but yet dont explain why so many Poles are unemployed in their own country? Poland welfare system is currently a sham but more Poles are out of work than most countries in the EU. But what are they doing with their lives?

Polish welfare system in short: 6 months of veeeeery poor benefits and then GTFO. Nobody cares. It's a kind of motivation, don't you agree? And they are doing something. They survive. How? Well - It's MAGIC. ;-)

And for the same matter what are you doing slagging of another countries workforce when you yourself cant handle life in your own country.

I am not a slave bound to stay in my country or my home town or into my learned trade. Instead to wait for a miracle I decided to take my life in my own hands. A lot of us did this.

You obviously don't know much about the history of employment in the UK or you would have known how many ex-pat Brits worked abroad during the 70's or 80's, for example the builders who made their livings in Germany while sustaining families in the UK.

I am afraid this great generation and their tradition of independence and hard work is pretty much dead now.
If they were alive there would be no place for Poles in the UK.

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Edited by: Seanus Jul 9, 10, 00:30 #30

A Pakistani, what? NMP is Polish, right?

Enkidu, you have no idea of the realities, do you? JSA means you have to actively look for employment. You don't just get it by showing up empty-handed. Besides, people are just realistic. Sometimes there is just no work. What, you are gonna waltz into a company and demand a 200k a year salary? Get real!

Well, you have a small point here but you are still implying that 11.5% of Poland wants to be unemployed and that's just not the case.

So you came to Britain to better yourself as Poland didn't offer you what you wanted?

There just aren't enough hours in the day for people to do what they want to so they stray from their work contracts and get ousted. You paint an overly simplistic picture, enkidu.

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