I worry about the Poles working in the UK

MrBubblesThreads: 13 Posts: 768 Joined: Nov 13, 07 ♂	Dec 29, 10, 22:45 #1
Things are going to get rough in the UK over the next couple of years. The Tories have slashed public sector jobs and the private sector is probably not going to soak them up, leading to higher unemployment. VAT is set to rise too. However, benefits are probably going to be cut. Not a good time to be a foreigner working in the UK.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Dec 29, 10, 22:52 #2
MrBubbles: The Tories have slashed public sector jobs and the private sector is probably not going to soak them up, leading to higher unemployment Good maybe more Poles will go back home, what percentage of those who came to the UK did go back?

DarrenMThreads: 2 Posts: 126 Joined: Dec 21, 07 ♂	Dec 29, 10, 22:58 #3
MrBubbles: Not a good time to be a foreigner working in the UK. Care to elaborate? Going to be tough for everyone not just foreigner's Foreigner's working in the ROI are probably experiencing the same thing already.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 29, 10, 23:05 #4
I was thinking the same, Darren. Trust me, foreigners won't be the first to go given the generally positive effect they had on the economy. Provided the exchange rate remains favourable, they can live on a shoestring and send money home. Brits usually take the brunt of the cuts and not only in proportional terms.

espanaThreads: 40 Posts: 2,233 Joined: Feb 28, 07 ♂	Dec 29, 10, 23:44 #5
MrBubbles: benefits are probably going to be cut chuffing great!!!! get a job polacks

peter_olsztynThreads: 8 Posts: 760 Joined: Apr 18, 07 ♂	Dec 30, 10, 00:13 #6
PennBoy: Good maybe more Poles will go back home oh no! Before Christmas I have tried 3 times to find a parking place in front of Media Markt and finally gave up. I'm not going to carry the 40" TV in a backpack.

MrBubblesThreads: 13 Posts: 768 Joined: Nov 13, 07 ♂	Edited by: MrBubbles Dec 30, 10, 08:18 #7
DarrenM: Care to elaborate? Going to be tough for everyone not just foreigner's Wait and see. Migrant labourers are always the first to get scapegoated for the government's mistakes. Expect anti-migrant discourse to be ramped up as the conditions get worse. espana: get a job polacks They have, duh. PennBoy: what percentage of those who came to the UK did go back? Seasonal workers, duh.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,478 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Dec 30, 10, 10:05 #8
MrBubbles: Not a good time to be a foreigner working in the UK. Rubbish, they'll be fine.

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Dec 30, 10, 13:17 #9
peter_olsztyn: Before Christmas I have tried 3 times to find a parking place in front of Media Markt And I bet it was one SUV parked across two places in each case. Well, if more people come home they'll be able to employ somoeone to clear the damn snow away!

Ashleys mindThreads: 7 Posts: 1,346 Joined: Nov 2, 10 ♀	Edited by: Ashleys mind Dec 30, 10, 13:36 #10
Don't worry, they'll p1ss off to Germany if need be...

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Dec 30, 10, 13:38 #11

I agree, please Polish people dont come to Northern Ireland we really are full up, people like myself are trying to find minimum wage jobs here, I have been unemployed for over a year and watch employers here giving foreign workers jobs instead of their own people, now we all know that you Poles love availing yourselves of our very generous benefit system, I used to work in a Benefit Office and saw it all first hand, yes you may come here and work but with children in tow your wages are topped up ever further with child tax credits, working tax credits, child benefit etc etc etc........ And people fro your country seem to know the benefit system inside and out and when applying for these benefits your fellow country people have been aggressive towards me when they find out they are not entitled to more and more handouts. With child benefit even being paid towards children that dont even reside in the UK with them.
Yes the UK is a soft touch, PLEASE STAY WHERE YOU ARE AND LET THIS COUNTRY GET BACK ON ITS FEET!!!!!

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Dec 30, 10, 13:43 #12
nomore: nomore What a load of crap! Is this the same system that can't ensure that half of its border-land population claiming benefits aren't also working full time in the South?

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Dec 30, 10, 14:14 #13

Nomore, the one thing you have to learn is how to put yourself places. There is no use in fighting the system tooth and nail forever more. As my mum wisely told me when I ran into a brick wall when job hunting in Scotland, 'do what you've always done and you'll get what you've always got'. The Poles will get the nod ahead of the locals due to the control that employers have over them and you have to work round that. It's not easy, I know, but use your resourcefulness and linguistic skills to your advantage. If you know who you are then you should know where you should be. The Poles are rugged and will dig their heels in so don't expect a mass exodus anytime soon. My friend in the UK whom I worked with in Japan is also struggling yet he landed a plum job in OZ after leaving Nihon. Much depends on your location and willingness to uproot yourself. I've had to up sticks before and thereafter roll with the punches. Work with what you have and leave the Poles to their own devices.

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Dec 30, 10, 15:08 #14

nomore:

And people fro your country seem to know the benefit system inside and out and when applying for these benefits your fellow country people have been aggressive towards me when they find out they are not entitled to more and more handouts. With child benefit even being paid towards children that dont even reside in the UK with them.

That's an extremely accurate statement.

Ive never been on the dole or had any UK government handouts what so ever. There have been times when i was entitled but never bothered about it. The Poles know the system very well.

Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 58 Posts: 2,314 Joined: Sep 7, 08 ♂	Dec 30, 10, 15:15 #15
I worry for people around the world ... creating differences and pain when much better could be done with that effort put in other constructive matters.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 30, 10, 15:15 #16
I agree with that. My wife told me of countless cases where Poles were able to wheedle extra benefits to Poland. That's hardly fair play but it again shows the weakness of the system in not clamping down on such things.

milkyThreads: 10 Posts: 1,229 Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀	Dec 30, 10, 15:23 #17
nomore: UK is a soft touch, PLEASE STAY WHERE YOU ARE AND LET THIS COUNTRY GET BACK ON ITS FEET!!!!! The occupied territory of the 6 counties is not part of the UK, buddy,so maybe you are a foreign worker.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 30, 10, 15:26 #18
What do you mean, milky? Are you saying nomore, being from NI, is not a part of the UK? Whether he should or should not be is a different question but he is affected by Polish immigration and that's the point. Life is competitive and no more so than these times. We have to accept realities where too many are overpaid by a huge amount and others, well, they just need work.

milkyThreads: 10 Posts: 1,229 Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀	Dec 30, 10, 15:32 #19
Seanus: What do you mean, milky? Are you saying nomore, being from NI, is not a part of the UK? yes. Seanus: too many are overpaid by a huge amount and others, well, they just need work. Are you talking about socialism,is that not another question/topic as well. Maybe MRr No, needs to accept the free-market economy.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 30, 10, 15:49 #20
The UK is 'officially' composed of 4 countries, milky. Whether you or I agree or disagree with that is neither here nor there. True to a point as there are winners and losers in all battles.

milkyThreads: 10 Posts: 1,229 Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀	Dec 30, 10, 15:56 #21
ok man,i hear you,,what can i say, I'm a republican with a small r. However every time i hear someone moaning about foreigners etc i think of conservative scumbags like Peter Griffiths, and i fell a need to counter-attack.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 30, 10, 16:05 #22
We have to take the bad with the good in life and just get on with it. We work with the energy and tools that we have and even have to reinvent parts of our self in order to adapt. Complaining doesn't get us very far as even the unions are lining up on the side of the foreigners. It's a dead end for many. Therefore, what does that leave?

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Dec 30, 10, 16:17 #23

Wroclaw Boy:

Ive never been on the dole or had any UK government handouts what so ever. There have been times when i was entitled but never bothered about it.

Likewise, these last few years I have moved my family all around Europe on one contract or another. I am lucky that my line of work and particular skill-set was highly sought after and I was able to do so.

I have never claimed a penny from the UK, in fact i still pay my NI contributions to ensure I get my state pension when I retire. As far as I am concerned that is the least they can give me.

Ironically, when I moved to Belgium I got a letter from the Child Benefits people saying I had to repay a wedge of money for Child Benefit and Tax credits both of which I'd never even claimed for.

Some pretty colourful language ensued.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,478 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Dec 30, 10, 16:22 #24
DarrenM: in fact i still pay my NI contributions to ensure I get my state pension when I retire. As far as I am concerned that is the least they can give me. Ive slipped up on that the past couple of years, the way i see it i have a few years NI contributions under my belt as long as i pay for 30 years total i'll get the pension. A few years left to make that up.

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Edited by: DarrenM Dec 30, 10, 16:24 #25

milky:

The occupied territory of the 6 counties is not part of the UK

Newsflash. Like it or not the fact is, it is.

Seanus:

We have to take the bad with the good in life and just get on with it.

Thats it isnt it. Its a game of survival and only the strong survive etc etc.

I choose to work for myself to allow me the flexibility to move and try stay ahead of the game but that comes at a price. I never know where I will be in 6 months. Tomek is 3 and the next one is due in May. I can't put my wife and kids through that for much longer.

Decisions are looming and I need to make them soon.

Wroclaw Boy:

as long as i pay for 30 years total i'll get the pension. A few years left to make that up.

Even with less than 30 years you are still entitled to something.

30 entitles you to full basic state (97 a week currently)

Less than 30 I think its about 47 per week.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Dec 30, 10, 16:46 #26
MrBubbles: Not a good time to be a foreigner working in the UK. If you're so worried you should worry about the locals getting a job, if a Pole will work for less and harder than a Brit who do you think an employer will hire? common sense

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Dec 30, 10, 17:02 #27

nomore:

employers here (in Northern Island) giving foreign workers jobs instead of their own people

What home grown industries exist in NI? One of the big problems with Ireland is that they can't get their own act together and rely on selling cheap labour to multinationals. Oh yes - the Irish have played the undercutting game as well...

Wroclaw Boy:

There have been times when i was entitled but never bothered about it

Hang on a sec I'll get you a medal

Wroclaw Boy:

A few years left to make that up.

Don't worry. You have something like 5 or 6 years to make up the shortfall.

PennBoy:

If you're so worried you should worry about the locals getting a job

I'm worried about unemployment and poverty causing dissatisfaction amongst an uneducated working class that boils over into migrant bashing and draconian laws cutting back further on civil liberties. Even now the police are asking the govt for more powers to stop and search anyone they want. Wait and see, Pennboy. Wait and see

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Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Dec 30, 10, 17:22 #28

MrBubbles:

Don't worry. You have something like 5 or 6 years to make up the shortfall.

If i was 60 numb nuts, fact is im not. What kind of idiot am i talking to here?

Are you English dude? what kind of muppet makes a thread such as this? Didnt want to mention earlier but hey no time like the present.

MrBubbles:

I'm worried about unemployment and poverty causing dissatisfaction amongst an uneducated working class that boils over into migrant bashing and draconian laws cutting back further on civil liberties. Even now the police are asking the govt for more powers to stop and search anyone they want. Wait and see, Pennboy. Wait and see

You think the mob will just target Poles? if not foreigners obviously looking foreign account for a large % of the population. Will the mobs attack them too, what a joke.

Lets wait and see shall we Bubble lets wait and see.

milkyThreads: 10 Posts: 1,229 Joined: Oct 26, 09 ♀	Dec 30, 10, 17:32 #29
DarrenM: Newsflash. Like it or not the fact is, it is. Newflash no its not,trust me i'm Irish i should know, Foch that coerced geography of the dominant culture. Seanus: even the unions are lining up on the side of the foreigners. explain?

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Dec 30, 10, 17:42 #30

Wroclaw Boy:

If i was 60 numb nuts, fact is im not. What kind of idiot am i talking to here?

Oh I remember you now - you're the one on the steroids, aren't you? Look, just ask your carer to write to the Inland Revenue when you're not 'roid raging and they will explain it to you.

Wroclaw Boy:

You think the mob will just target Poles?

No, but the Poles are probably the largest homogenous segment of migrant labour so they'll get most of the bile. Also, ask whoever looks after you to reread the section I wrote about the govt pushing through new legislation.

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