Do American expats feel proud of their police force?

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Edited by: ender Jun 26, 10, 23:46 #1
'Don't taze my granny!' 87years American grandma shaken by Police

TymoteuszThreads: 7 Posts: 694 Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂	Jun 26, 10, 23:52 #2
I'm indifferent. I have also been tazed during some training, Its unpleasant and I would love to show you how it feels. Nice troll thread BTW. ;)

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Edited by: ender Jun 26, 10, 23:54 #3
I'm troll in that case. Did you read article? Are you 87 years old?

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Jun 27, 10, 00:06 #4

"Furtive movements" A few years ago she would have been shot to death. I'll admit some police are over-zelous to use a tazer, but the truth is that they have saved countless lives. The officers primary directive is to go home to their families alive after each shift.

You should join the force and change the world. or at least be able to empathize with the people who try and protect your sorry butt.

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Jun 27, 10, 00:14 #5
And another 'brave' american cop: this time 72 years old

MatowyThreads: 1 Posts: 519 Joined: Jul 4, 09 ♂	Jun 27, 10, 01:04 #6
The U.S is in a sad state when causing extreme amounts of pain are the only alternative to outright blasting holes in people. If someone can really be shot over a minor driving offence, then the system is broken.

TymoteuszThreads: 7 Posts: 694 Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂	Jun 27, 10, 01:13 #7
Oh, its broken. Why do you think that is?

MatowyThreads: 1 Posts: 519 Joined: Jul 4, 09 ♂	Jun 27, 10, 01:19 #8
Tymoteusz: Oh, its broken. Why do you think that is? I just said, pulling guns on someone in a minor driving offence issue is a disproportionate reaction. That's too much power, even for the police.

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Edited by: ender Jun 27, 10, 01:41 #9
look at 40" O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Pinching PeteThreads: 1 Posts: 1,111 Joined: Feb 23, 08 ♂	Jun 27, 10, 01:45 #10
ender: O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave! Yep, yep.. troll away.. with 300 million people you think maybe there's bad cops sometimes? BTW: I've got a few black friends.. never reported anything like your little video.

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Jun 27, 10, 02:17 #11
yep, yep how many such examples do you need? I can show 'hundreds' on you tube. How many has been hidden do you think?

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Edited by: Matowy Jun 27, 10, 02:25 #12

Pinching Pete:

Yep, yep.. troll away.. with 300 million people you think maybe there's bad cops sometimes?

I appreciate that fact, and I take it into consideration, but it seems like with such a huge population more care should be taken with police work, since there's more room for misconduct. I think of when the British police shot a Brazillian guy by accident in the London underground, and then imagine how that situation has the potential to occur every day in the U.S with such relaxed gun usages.

ender:

yep, yep how many such examples do you need? I can show 'hundreds' on you tube. How many has been hidden do you think?

Although it's a valid topic, I don't think we should use online sources indicate a supposed trend... after all, what will you get if you search "Police officer DOESN'T taze someone unnecessarily, handles situation well" in YouTube?

TymoteuszThreads: 7 Posts: 694 Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂	Jun 27, 10, 02:26 #13
Whats your solution?

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Edited by: ender Jun 27, 10, 02:35 #14
Tymoteusz: Whats your solution? American way is the best one. 20% of police budget goes to 1 such victim. Then they would cut their salaries or sack 20% of cops. Simple.

TymoteuszThreads: 7 Posts: 694 Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂	Jun 27, 10, 02:39 #15
Its tax money silly! I'm quite serious. If you don't have a solution then you are just whining. Please present your alternatives.

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Jun 27, 10, 02:40 #16

ender:

I can show 'hundreds' on you tube.

Yep.. Yep.. then you have a lot of time on your hands, which "employed" people generally do not have. Hundreds divided by millions doesn't prove that much statistically anyway. Also, the mere fact you can view these videos on the internet proves the freedom of the US. However, these are isolated incidents. 99.9% of the time.. cop asks you a question, tells you to do something.. just do it.. there's no problems whatsoever. Its simple. This was made known to me as a child again and again and again. Guess how many times I've been arrested? How about 0.

The US is made of states.. little countries .. themselves with their own laws. Some states have more stict laws with others the police some are more relaxed. You can not make a basic general statement about the matter. I always laugh at how little some Europeans know about the US.

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Edited by: Matowy Jun 27, 10, 02:44 #17

Pinching Pete:

cop asks you a question, tells you to do something.. just do it.. there's no problems whatsoever. Its simple.

Absolutely not. Police have no right to tell anyone what to do, unless they provide a valid reason for it and outline how it falls within their jurisdiction to do so. They're not demi-gods, they're upholders of the law. They have a job to do just like everyone else. If they somehow have the right to tell others what to do solely based on their job title, then that's dangerous, and contradicts the rights of freedom that every U.S citizen is supposed to have.

Found that a Pole was killed as a result of tasers, in Canada however: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dzieka%C5%84ski_Taser_incident

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Edited by: ender Jun 27, 10, 02:48 #18
yep, yep, yep I always laugh when mentally disabled people mix wrong data: Pinching Pete: Hundreds divided by millions if in US is at least 2 millions policeman (you said millions) then it's not democratic country anymore but a police state.

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Edited by: Pinching Pete Jun 27, 10, 02:51 #19

Matowy:

Police have no right to tell anyone what to do, unless they provide a valid reason for it and outline how it falls within their jurisdiction to do so

They have every right to tell someone what to do if they're upholding the law. This is their job. Do they overstep "probable cause" sometimes, sure.. it's a huge country. Don't you think Russian, Brazilian.. anybody do it. Cops all over do this. How assanine to think otherwise.

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Jun 27, 10, 02:54 #20
Matowy: Pole was killed as a result of tasers and I do believe it's only top of an iceberg. without youtube this accident would be hidden from public or manipulated.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 27, 10, 02:55 #21
I for one support electrocuting grannies.

Pinching PeteThreads: 1 Posts: 1,111 Joined: Feb 23, 08 ♂	Jun 27, 10, 02:56 #22
ender: and I do believe it's only top of an iceberg. question: Have you ever actually been to the US? Stayed for a significant time? 6 months or so?

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Jun 27, 10, 03:00 #23
Pinching Pete: They have every right to tell someone what to do if they're upholding the law. True but if the law gives them right to do something like that then [******] the law, simple.

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Jun 27, 10, 03:18 #24
Pinching Pete: videos on the internet proves the freedom of the US it's bit twisted. These proves everything but freedom.

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,861 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Jun 27, 10, 03:31 #25
that must have been one lovable grandma.

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Jun 27, 10, 03:44 #26
don't be a dupek, how nice is that granny does she deserve what she gets?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 27, 10, 03:45 #27
ender: don't be a dupek, how nice is that granny does she deserve what she gets? Grannies can be vicious, best to taser them just in case.

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Jun 27, 10, 04:40 #28

ender:

it's bit twisted. These proves everything but freedom

The videos were provided by the police. They serve three purposes. 1. To protect the police from false claims, 2. To ensure that police behave in a professional and legal manner. 3. evidence of your behavior while the officers were interacting with you.

Two things you need to do:

Learn what your real rights and responsibilities are, not just what you and your homies think they should be while your sitting in moms basement hittin the bong.

Learn how to interact with law enforcement. Court is for arguing your case. Arguing and being belligerent with the officer works against you every time. If you show contempt to the people who enforce laws for the rest of us, you should expect no less in return.

Finally, If you are doing something you shouldn't be and get busted, Don't be a little ***** about it. Man-up and take your punishment.

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Edited by: ender Jun 27, 10, 04:57 #29
right but thing is I see no difference between 1st and 2nd please DO notice how policeman 'helps' girl rise

TymoteuszThreads: 7 Posts: 694 Joined: Jul 25, 09 ♂	Jun 27, 10, 05:16 #30
You must think you're trolling amateurs here. Videos without context or background. Do us a favor my chav friend, Don't come to the states, and if you do please mind your manners because the police carry tazers and the population carries guns. Being polite will not only ensure your visit is pleasant but probably save your life.

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