Arizona's new immigration law. Thoughts on this?

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May 17, 10, 13:35 #1

G´day,

So what do you think about this recently enforced law? As a south american ,I find it good. I don´t like illegal immigrants (mostly Mexicans that cross the border) refusing to integrate, work or do something productive for the American society, so it´s good the ILLEGALS will be hunted and ultimately deported.

You did´t expect me to say something like that, did you? :) So how about posting your own opinion on this matter?

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Edited by: skysoulmate May 17, 10, 16:08 #2

The new law simply empasises what has been a law in the US for generations but no one has cared to follow due to the border-less, utopian thinking of our leftist and politically correct politicians. If you are a green card holder you should ALWAYS carry the green card with you. If you are not a legal immigrant you should NOT be in the US. It's a great law, I hear Texas is about to come up with its own version and I hope it spreads to other States.

It is a result of the failure of the Federal government to secure our bordrers resulting in flooding of our country with extremely violent illegal "immigrants" from South of the border. Folks, Phoenix, Arizona has the highest level of kidnappings in the world today thanks to the "friendly illegals" who do "jobs Americans don't want!!!" (HUGE sarcasm smiley if I had one)

http://www.usimmigrationlawyers.com/legal-advice/immigration-law/green -card/carry-with-me.htm

Actually, while your green card may be safe in your lockbox, if you are questioned for any reason by police or immigration officials, you must have your original green card with you or you can be charged with a crime. The Immigration and Nationality Act, which defines immigration law in the United States, states “Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him.... Any alien who fails to comply with [these] provisions shall be guilty of a misdemeanor" and may be subject to fine and/or imprisonment upon each conviction.

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Edited by: joepilsudski May 17, 10, 16:33 #3

Miguel Colombia:

So what do you think about this recently enforced law? As a south american ,I find it good. I don´t like illegal immigrants (mostly Mexicans that cross the border) refusing to integrate, work or do something productive for the American society, so it´s good the ILLEGALS will be hunted and ultimately deported.

The law is fine: the will to enforce is the problem.

I don't like the idea of hunting people.

This problem with illegals has gotten way out of hand because of the spinelessness of American leaders and politicians, and because of the greed and laziness of American businesses that want cheap labor, no matter the price.

Many Americans also have this idea that they are entitled to something...I have found that in this life, nothing comes without a fight and hard work...If Americans had not been sitting on their fat asses for many years, letting the politicians get away with this bull****, the problem wouldn't be as big as it is now.

America is big enough to handle reasonable immigration, but something like 20 million Mexicans over the past 15 years is too much.

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May 17, 10, 17:17 #4

The problem with the law is that people can be picked up for almost any reason and if the police don't believe they are a citizen, they are forced to prove it. It's already happened at least once - a U.S. citizen, born in the U.S. was at a weigh station - he showed his driver's license and recited his Social Security number. That wasn't good enough, they took him to the station, disrupting his workday, and his wife had to go get his birth certificate and bring it down. I agree that something needs to be done, but this isn't it. I would be really pissed if I got taken down to a police station because I have Polish ancestry and there are a lot of illegal Poles living here.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	May 17, 10, 17:19 #5
Miguel Colombia: Arizona´s new immigration law. Thoughts on this? I have one thought: what took them so long to actually act?

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Edited by: Sokrates May 17, 10, 17:21 #6

Round up negroes and latinoes and death march them through the desert, that'll teach them to not be white.

joepilsudski:

I don't like the idea of hunting people.

I love it, me, my 60 brave friends with guns dogs and cars and a vicious, wild 10 year old mexican kid who's lethally dangerous even though we broke all his limbs as a safety measure!

USA is trying to stem an ethnic flooding thats already a fact that happened, the law is as controversial as it is useless.

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May 17, 10, 17:22 #7

mtczajka:

I would be really pissed if I got taken down to a police station because I have Polish ancestry and there are a lot of illegal Poles living here.

Yeah, I'm dark complected myself.. there would be a fair chance it would happen to me. However, I'd probably just have a copy of my birth certificate in my car and deal with it. That's usually like $15.00 to get a genuine copy.

After awhile the cops would remember you and leave you alone.

It's not nice I guess but I happen to think laws like this are necessary for awhile. I don't see them as Draconian.

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May 17, 10, 17:23 #8

skysoulmate:

It's a great law, I hear Texas is about to come up with its own version and I hope it spreads to other States.

it's actually getting better in the states... it used to be that you didn't have to have a permanent residency to get a SSN, it used to be you didn't have to show your legal status to get a driver license and so on - now you have to be legal to get all of the documentation without which life in the states is impossible...

Miguel ColombiaThreads: 3 Posts: 711 Joined: Apr 20, 10 ♂	May 17, 10, 17:29 #9
Sokrates: though we broke all his limbs as a safety measure! Does the word "subhuman" say something to you? I am sorry, but in which way are you any different from those people you regard as inferior, solely due to their skin color? Perhaps you'd also understand those Irish guys that beat up Polish workers a while ago.

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Edited by: skysoulmate May 17, 10, 18:27 #10

pgtx:

it's actually getting better in the states... it used to be that you didn't have to have a permanent residency to get a SSN, it used to be you didn't have to show your legal status to get a driver license and so on - now you have to be legal to get all of the documentation without which life in the states is impossible...

I wish I could share your optimism dear turkey butt (different thread y'all ;) but while some things are getting better it's still obnoxiously bad. Several states do NOT require for you to disclose your legal status. Then when you get a license in that state you're free to move to another state and exchange it without having to disclose your legal status information since you're simply exchanging one for a different one.

In the last presidential election as an example in Georgia you could (and Acorn made sure many did) vote without ANY picture ID. All you had to provide was paid utility bills under your name in the state of Georgia. ACLU, La Raza and other reverse racists claimed that a picture ID would cause undue burden on "poor people". As always political correctness won.

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skysoulmate: I wish I could share your optimism dear turkey butt (different thread y'all ;) but while some things are getting better it's still obnoxiously bad. thanks for the nickname... appreciate it ;) i am optimistic... i hope more states will follow...

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Edited by: skysoulmate May 17, 10, 18:44 #12

Miguel Colombia:

Does the word "subhuman" say something to you? I am sorry, but in which way are you any different from those people you regard as inferior, solely due to their skin color?

I'm pretty sure he/she was using sarcasm.

Where is the outrage over the murders, rapes, kidnappings committed by the poor "undocumented workers"? If a person gets murdered by a Mexican and he or she escapes to Mexico there's nothing we can do as Mexico won't extradite due to our death penalty which they don't have.

The state of Kaalifornia which is as broke as it gets pays billions and billions each year providing translators for all Mexican illegals. Many have lived her for years but don't want to speak English. What about the medical costs for all severe cases that the Mexican government sends our way? No joke folks, a friend is part of the doctors without borders and although she loves helping people in other countries she was shocked to see Mexican doctors giving out pamphlets to Mexican patients who had serious diseases telling them to cross the border and go to the emergency room at this hospital - "they're the best and will take care of you, it's their law."

We are being taken advantage of, no doubt about it.

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there are some comments here: http://www.polishforums.com/polonia-usa-canada-28/polish-citizens-us-g reencard-travel-canada-7308/3/#msg904598

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May 17, 10, 19:46 #14

skysoulmate:

I'm pretty sure he/she was using sarcasm.

Where is the outrage over the murders, rapes, kidnappings committed by the poor "undocumented workers"? If a person gets murdered by a Mexican and he or she escapes to Mexico there's nothing we can do as Mexico won't extradite due to our death penalty which they don't have.

The state of Kaalifornia which is as broke as it gets pays billions and billions each year providing translators for all Mexican illegals. Many have lived her for years but don't want to speak English. What about the medical costs for all severe cases that the Mexican government sends our way? No joke folks, a friend is part of the doctors without borders and although she loves helping people in other countries she was shocked to see Mexican doctors giving out pamphlets to Mexican patients who had serious diseases telling them to cross the border and go to the emergency room at this hospital - "they're the best and will take care of you, it's their law."

We are being taken advantage of, no doubt about it.

Lol you never know( about that sarcastic comment).

I agree with you. I also dislike Colombians in Spain, because they also do ****. They are legal there, but well...I would like them to go home.

Anyhow, did someone know that Mexico´s policies against illegals is far more brutal and hoarse than the American ones?

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Miguel Colombia: So what do you think about this recently enforced law? It is unfortunate.

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Miguel Colombia: Anyhow, did someone know that Mexico´s policies against illegals is far more brutal and hoarse than the American ones? Lol.. I believe it. Ironically, they're exercising "freedom to assemble" here when their not even citizens of the US.. something the clowns would probably be billy clubbed for if they tried it in downtown Mexico City or something.

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May 18, 10, 02:56 #17

skysoulmate:

It's a great law, I hear Texas is about to come up with its own version and I hope it spreads to other States.

I hope California follows the trend very soon. I'm tired of all the crime associated with illegal immigrants. Shortly after many sneak over, their friends and relatives tend to follow, invade and multiply like rabbits!

A sincere thanks PF, for putting up with me FIVE terrific years, muah!

BearThreads: - Posts: 9 Joined: Apr 18, 10 ♀	May 18, 10, 03:46 #18
I would love to see more of this type of response in other states. I don't think it does enough, but at least its a start.

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Edited by: ShortHairThug May 18, 10, 03:53 #19

Wait till the pro crowd hears of this. Seems like some can stay despite deportation order living in US illegally ever since. There goes the argument of standing in line. Living in the public housing system of Boston receiving public aid yet still having her own personal physician testify on her behalf, life is good for the privileged connected ones. Funny enough even courts seemed to ignore the fact that she should have left the US and reapply again in her native country. Makes you wonder what the law of the land is or why courts decided to ignore it in this case. Whatever your view is you have to face the fact that both Bush and Obama played the Latino vote to win election with the implied promise to resolve this issue. Both parties by now have lost the credibility within Latino community, you can only promise for so long and if some serious discussion and effort is not done soon to resolve this issue you will have such an uproar that the civil rights riots of the 60’s will seem like a picnic. Face the reality, too many Latinos in US army with immediate and extended illegal families members living in US, too big of dependency of business, farming industries, hospitality industry, services and other to sweep this issue under the rug for much longer. Arizona is simply forcing the Feds hand to resolve this issue once and for all. Although a right wing is making a lot of noise now the momentum can easily shift in Lefts favor once it all starts. Either way it won't be pretty and the Americas image of giving refuge and bringing freedom to the oppressed forever tarnished. Those laws are Simple making the tensions run high on both sides of this issue and bringing premature confrontation.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/17/judge-rules-obamas-aunt-can-stay- in-u-s/

Pinching PeteThreads: 1 Posts: 1,111 Joined: Feb 23, 08 ♂	May 18, 10, 04:51 #20
ShortHairThug: Either way it won't be pretty and the Americas image of giving refuge and bringing freedom to the oppressed forever tarnished Yawwwn... Europeans always say bullsh*t like this. Freedom to the oppressed??.. Why doesn't Europe do it for awhile.. AND PAY FOR IT TOO...

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Edited by: plk123 May 18, 10, 06:14 #21

Miguel Colombia:

(mostly Mexicans that cross the border)

1st. bad assumption.. as that is not necessarily true at all.

Miguel Colombia:

refusing to integrate, work or do something productive for the American society

2nd.. again.. not necessarily true

Miguel Colombia:

ILLEGALS will be hunted

3rd. i'm sure the scotus will find this law in violation of the us constitution..

any idea why these folks endanger their lives to come here? do you no think there are no laws against illegal migration to the usa? etc..

skysoulmate:

utopian thinking of our leftist and politically correct politicians.

BS.. what did the a-hole bush do about this issue? he started two wars instead.. go blame the people who are the cause of lack of enforcement instead of blindly blaming the libs.

skysoulmate:

It is a result of the failure of the Federal government to secure our bordrers resulting in flooding of our country with extremely violent illegal "immigrants" from South of the border.

BS... the laws haven't been upheld because then repubs couldn't continue making $$ cheaply on the wet backs of illegals.

skysoulmate:

Folks, Phoenix, Arizona has the highest level of kidnappings in the world today thanks to the "friendly illegals" who do "jobs Americans don't want!!!" (HUGE sarcasm smiley if I had one)

BS.. you are smoking crack or something dudemate.. how about ciudad juares or tijuana or half the capitals in africa? you have to have fallen on your head with that one there bud. lol

skysoulmateThreads: 41 Posts: 3,039 Joined: Jan 10, 10 ♂	Edited by: skysoulmate May 18, 10, 07:15 #22
Miguel Colombia: Lol you never know( about that sarcastic comment). I agree that it's often hard to tell if a person is serious or not that's why we need this: pgtx: thanks for the nickname... appreciate it ;) You're welcome Ms. Bootylicious. lol

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May 18, 10, 07:26 #23

Miguel Colombia:

(mostly Mexicans that cross the border) refusing to integrate, work or do something productive for the American society,

I doubt the purpose of the law is to remove people like that from American society. I think it has more to do with trying to stop the crime wave due to the drug cartels.

It doesn't make sense that the law enforcement has to handle the situation. The problem is a lot bigger than what they're prepared for.

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May 18, 10, 07:32 #24

ShortHairThug:

Wait till the pro crowd hears of this.

ShortHairGentleman - this law is not perfect but it's an improvement. It is not healthy for Mexico to have more than 10% of the entire country working illegally in the US. ...and we won't even mention those who do not work but hurt people with drugs and violent crimes. America has always prided itself in being the melting-pot of the world where the best of each culture's ingredients melted into the America society. Little bit from Europe or from Asia, or Latin America, Africa, etc, etc...

Today the melting-pot has turned into an enormous chimichanga where 95% of the ingredients come from the very same source and where the key word is "be proud of who you are" while forgetting the American-first-and-foremost motto. If they do not meld into the society we'll see a Londonization effect in the US. I do not want to criticize our UK friends here at all, I'm simply saying that the main immigration groups in the UK tend to live very isolated lives, isolated from the rest of the population. We never had that in the US except in the first few years of immigrants' lives in the US as they were learning the English language. Today however we have Latinos who've lived here for 15 years or longer who cannot speak English. When asked why the response is usually why bother? All signs are in English AND Spanish nowadays and there are so many Spanish speakers here already that they can always get around. A very unhealthy situation where the country's slowly splitting up into the English and into the Spanish speaking sectors. I hope we'll never be seeing referendums such as the Quebec natives voting for independence, etc. (It was very close last time).

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May 18, 10, 07:56 #25

plk123:

BS.. what did the a-hole bush do about this issue? he started two wars instead.. go blame the people who are the cause of lack of enforcement instead of blindly blaming the libs.

plk - you're again using your leftists leaning to explain this issue. This is an American issue not a left or right issue. BOTH sides are just as guilty. One side will put the fences in the bill the other side will cut the funding. One side will put more cops on the border the other side will cut the funding. They are BOTH guilty.

Libs love Mexicans because even La Raza will admit they overwhelmingly vote leftist as soon as the become eligible to vote (and many before but that's a different issue). Why do you think the libs are no big friends of the Cuban diaspora? (does Elian Gonzales ring a bell?) Cubans overwhelmingly vote Republican as they hate socialism and leftist ideas whereas Mexicans are overwhelmingly pro-leftist. Of course I'm generalizing here but any political analyst will tell you that libs love Mexicans and reps love Cubans.

plk123:

BS... the laws haven't been upheld because then repubs couldn't continue making $$ cheaply on the wet backs of illegals.

Again you're blaming one side only - it takes two to tango. Dems want illegals for the future vote and reps want them for the cheaper labor - both choose self-interests over what's best for the country. Both do.

plk123:

BS.. you are smoking crack or something dudemate.. how about ciudad juares or tijuana or half the capitals in africa? you have to have fallen on your head with that one there bud. lol

Well, I love jack & coke and beer and that's as far as my crack smoking goes. I made a mistake. Phoenix is not the number one kidnapping capital of the world but of the US. It is however number two (2) kidnapping capital of the world! Yeah, I feel much safer now, don't you? ;)

...The threat is ever-present on Phoenix streets – and has been since 2005 when the metro area gained the dubious distinction of America’s kidnapping capital. With its numbers right behind Mexico, Phoenix is the number two kidnapping capital of the world...

http://www.drugaddictiontreatment.com/addiction-news/drug-crimes/phoen ix-number-two-kidnapping-capital-as-drug-cartel-wars-intensify

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...In what officials caution is now a dangerous and even deadly crime wave, Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone. But local authorities say Washington, DC is too obsessed with al Qaeda terrorists to care about what is happening in their own backyard right now...

...An ABC News' investigation uncovered horrific cases of chopped-off hands, legs and heads when a victim's family doesn't pay up fast enough...

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1

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Edited by: plk123 May 18, 10, 08:00 #26

shewolf:

I think it has more to do with trying to stop the crime wave due to the drug cartels.

there is no wave of violence from drug cartel in the usa.. however, on the other side of the border, that is a whole another thing. and this law really won't do much... sheriff joe hasn't gotten anywhere with his tactics.. i don't see how this will do anything either.

skysoulmate:

AND Spanish nowadays

and i have a major issue with that there.. and i am tired of pressing 1 to hear messages in enlgish.. eff that..

skysoulmate:

Quebec natives voting for independence, etc. (It was very close last time).

they will never secede neither will any state of the union.. it's impossible.. i'll let you search why though.. or it may come up eventually somewhere. :)

skysoulmate:

Again you're blaming one side only

lol.. that's funny.. did you blame both sides in your original post? come on now..

btw. i'm no leftist.. i'm rather conservative on many issues but environment and human issues.

skysoulmate:

(2) kidnapping capital of the world!

it may be the no.1 in the usa.. that's about it..

skysoulmate:

...An ABC News' investigation uncovered horrific cases of chopped-off hands, legs and heads when a victim's family doesn't pay up fast enough...

and how many of these victims are legal americans? this should make you happy actually as this will work itself out if what you say is the case.l.

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May 18, 10, 08:08 #27

skysoulmate:

Today however we have Latinos who've lived here for 15 years or longer who cannot speak English. When asked why the response is usually why bother? All signs are in English AND Spanish nowadays and there are so many Spanish speakers here already that they can always get around. A very unhealthy situation where the country's slowly splitting up into the English and into the Spanish speaking sectors.

It's kind of like when the Europeans invaded and set up their lives here without learning the Native American languages. The English speakers weren't the first ones here and they probably won't be the last if they can't control the borders.

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May 18, 10, 08:32 #28

plk123:

and i have a major issue with that there.. and i am tired of pressing 1 to hear messages in enlgish.. eff that..

Wait till it becomes a law which la raza and aclu want. Just like in Canada, every document, every sign must be bi-lingual.

plk123:

they will never secede neither will any state of the union.. it's impossible.. i'll let you search why though.. or it may come up eventually somewhere. :)

If majority of them votes for it everything is possible. Personally I think one day it will happen but it'll be another 20 years or so...

"The referendum took place in Quebec on October 30, 1995, and the motion to decide whether Quebec should secede from Canada was defeated by a very narrow margin of 50.58% "No" to 49.42% "Yes"."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_independence_referendum,_1995

plk123:

lol.. that's funny.. did you blame both sides in your original post? come on now...

I thought I took a swipe at both sides. This comment was a swipe at Bush as this was his motto: ..."friendly illegals" who do "jobs Americans don't want!!!" (HUGE sarcasm smiley if I had one)...

Either way, if I didn't then yeah, I want to reinforce that I'm blaming both sides for it.

plk123:

and how many of these victims are legal americans? this should make you happy actually as this will work itself out if what you say is the case.l.

No it doesn't plk. I like Mexicans, I really do. I like all nationalities but I also like to follow the law. The current situation hurts our country and their country. Not to mention that so many innocent families suffer due to the wave of violence. So no, I do not wish violence on them, not at all. I want our government (and their government) to seal the border and to create a legal venue for ALL immigrants, not just Mexicans to work here in the US legally with a company sponsored health insurance, etc. We, the taxpayers shouldn't be paying for it all.

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May 18, 10, 08:45 #29

skysoulmate:

Wait till it becomes a law which la raza and aclu want. Just like in Canada, every document, every sign must be bi-lingual.

i think it is the law in many places although not everything is written in both english and spanish.

skysoulmate:

If majority of them votes for it everything is possible. Personally I think one day it will happen but it'll be another 20 years or so...

it won't happen.. Lincoln set the precedent for that.. remember the Civil War? ;)

as to Quebec.. yes i know but it will never happen.. i'm telling you.. there is no way as there is a wildcard at play now and they just can't afford to secede.

skysoulmate:

Bush as this was his motto: ..."friendly illegals" who do "jobs Americans don't want!!!" (HUGE sarcasm smiley if I had one)...

well that is still the motoo but i am not sure if it's just the righties.. maybe..

skysoulmate:

I want our government (and their government) to seal the border and to create a legal venue for ALL immigrants, not just Mexicans to work here in the US legally with a company sponsored health insurance, etc. We, the taxpayers shouldn't be paying for it all.

USA is working on that.. and there is a legal way of becoming US citizen on the books already... there is really no reason to reinvent the wheel here.

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May 18, 10, 09:09 #30

plk123:

i think it is the law in many places although not everything is written in both english and spanish.

No, there's no such law. In fact there's no law on using English either. There should be.

plk123:

it won't happen.. Lincoln set the precedent for that.. remember the Civil War? ;)

Also, it's very old history. It would never happen again. They'd fight it in courts and yes some violence would occur but the military would stay away from interfering in the peoples' majority decision.

plk123:

USA is working on that.. and there is a legal way of becoming US citizen on the books already... there is really no reason to reinvent the wheel here.

So what's your solution? Thousands are coming every day despite them "working on that" (which they aren't, they're just masking the problem)

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