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 May 21, 10, 20:56    #91
convex you are missing it the bill uses the vague words as this empty words

4. "EMPLOYER" MEANS ANY INDIVIDUAL OR TYPE OF ORGANIZATION THAT
TRANSACTS BUSINESS IN THIS STATE, THAT HAS A LICENSE ISSUED BY AN AGENCY IN
THIS STATE AND THAT EMPLOYS ONE OR MORE INDIVIDUALS WHO PERFORM EMPLOYMENT
SERVICES IN THIS STATE. EMPLOYER INCLUDES THIS STATE, ANY POLITICAL
SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE AND SELF-EMPLOYED PERSONS.

5. "KNOWINGLY EMPLOY AN UNAUTHORIZED ALIEN" MEANS THE ACTIONS
DESCRIBED IN 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1324a. THIS TERM SHALL BE
INTERPRETED CONSISTENTLY WITH 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1324a AND ANY
APPLICABLE FEDERAL RULES AND REGULATIONS.

( not enforced now and will not be enforced in future )

6. "LEGAL EMPLOYMENT AFFIDAVIT" MEANS AN AFFIDAVIT THAT INDICATES THAT
AN EMPLOYER DOES NOT KNOWINGLY EMPLOY AN UNAUTHORIZED ALIEN, THAT AN EMPLOYER
WILL NOT DIRECT ANY OTHER PERSON TO EMPLOY AN UNAUTHORIZED ALIEN AND THAT AN
EMPLOYER MAKES A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS
( define good fate )
EMPLOYEE WHO IS EMPLOYED BY THE EMPLOYER IN THIS STATE

the law is more to do with voting rights then employment anyway the republicans can now post a cap
at polling place and ask for proof of citizen

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 May 21, 10, 21:32    #92
BIG SURPRISE (NOT): Top Official Says Feds May Not Process Illegals Referred From Arizona
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/21/official-says-feds-process- illegals-referred-arizona/
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 May 22, 10, 02:51    #93
Marek11111:
the law is racist as it prays on single color of skin


Racist, racism, race, .....you are a one-trick pony. That's all you've got and that tired old liberal mantra has not been valid for a long time now. You're stuck in the 60's.

Since you cannot point out anything written in the bill that smacks of racism, people like you have to make it up.That's how thin your ideology is. It's almost as if you hope there is (more) racism.

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No surprise that Obama does not want to enforce Arizona's let alone federal law when it comes to ILLEGAL immigration. People driven by an agenda forget that there is no permanence in their beliefs and are too short-sighted to see that the next guy who also doesn't adhere to (a) law can change things his/her way.
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 May 22, 10, 03:41    #94
convex:

It has been illegal to reside within the USA without permission for hundreds of years now.

wtf are you talking about.. what hundredS of years?? USA is barely 234 y/o.. and the immigration laws are rather new.. there were no immigration laws for at least half of US' existence..

convex:
Actually, the invitation is still open, we just ask immigrants to do so legally. If you take the legal route, you're more than welcome in the USA. If you decide not to go the official route, you're a criminal. Thanks.

right but companies that hire illegals don't give a damn because it's all about the mighty $$$ and nothing else.

convex:

What are you going on about here? The comment was about not being kicked off the land they settled, not slaughtering Mexicans.


it's just an answer to your statement..

convex:

Before that, they had to verify via a social security card. Pen and paper style.


you're missing the point.. the employers are obviously failing to do that and yet the state doesn't seem to care or go after them and instead they are just going after the little guys.. you either uphold the laws you already have or not and it seems AZ is failing to do that and instead they just pass another law they probably won't really enforce..

Babinich:

The fact that the US cannot be fully protected doesn't mean you do not try to protect it to the best of one's ability...


i agree but we need to realize that instead of moaning and ******** that it's not being done when in fact it can never be fully protected.. it's really kind of a a waste..

Marek11111:
e-verify was turn off by Bush and the never enforced by federal gov. and it is not enforce now either
Arizona passed the racist law as white people will not be question if they are citizens
but the Arizona law did not pass state of e-verify program to require employers to verify status of employed
they did not pass punishment for employment of illegal emigrant the law is racist as it prays on single color of skin



exactly.. this is just a show.. and picking on the little guy instead of actually trying to curb this issue...

convex:
You said that they did not pass a law requiring e-verification and that they did not provide for punishment of workers employing illegal immigrants.

the point is that they aren't enforcing the law they already have on the books.. passing this **** again means nothing as they aren't going after the employers but the little guys..
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Edited by: Marek11111  May 22, 10, 03:45    #95
Zimmy Obama is like Bush so please do not label me I am independent, I am sick and tired of any gov. taking my rights away I am sick of republicans and democraps, I am looking at it objectively what could happen, I am looking after #1 tax payer of this country and it does not matter what skin color or religion he is.
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 May 22, 10, 04:35    #96
Marek11111:
it does not matter what skin color ...... he is.


Then it's confusing why you brought up race when
you stated this: "Arizona passed the racist law as white people will not be question if they are citizens ............ the law is racist as it prays on single color of skin."

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 May 22, 10, 06:58    #97
it is racist as it will do this
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 22, 10, 08:58    #98
Marek11111:
it is racist as it will do this


Is there something in this law that's states that it is against brown-skinned illegal immigrants?
Or is there otherwise a special skin-color, race or religion mentioned?
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 May 22, 10, 10:27    #99
no but in reality we all know what will happen as it already happens all the time in AZ.. the cops pick on brown skinned people.. the law may not directly say so but definitely makes it easy for the corrupt cops to now also be that much more prejudicial.
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 May 22, 10, 11:07    #100
plk123:
wtf are you talking about.. what hundredS of years?? USA is barely 234 y/o.. and the immigration laws are rather new.. there were no immigration laws for at least half of US' existence..

There were immigration laws, but it consisted of documentation at the door. People were also deported if they committed a crime. Use of services without paying for them would have been a crime. Multiple centuries, you know, hundreds.

plk123:
right but companies that hire illegals don't give a damn because it's all about the mighty $$$ and nothing else.

So? There are laws against it. Just report the companies, problem solved.

plk123:
it's just an answer to your statement..

It was a comment on my statement. I didn't make any suggestions, just mentioned what happened.

plk123:
you're missing the point.. the employers are obviously failing to do that and yet the state doesn't seem to care or go after them and instead they are just going after the little guys.. you either uphold the laws you already have or not and it seems AZ is failing to do that and instead they just pass another law they probably won't really enforce..

You're obviously missing the point. I agree with you. Read the thread...

plk123:
the point is that they aren't enforcing the law they already have on the books.. passing this **** again means nothing as they aren't going after the employers but the little guys..

Yup

plk123:
cops pick on brown skinned people..

On the other hand, those brown skinned people are responsible for a larger proportion of crime in AZ... Feel free to explore why that is.
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 May 22, 10, 11:23    #101
convex:

On the other hand, those brown skinned people are responsible for a larger proportion of crime in AZ... Feel free to explore why that is.

not necessarily.. it's similar in all the states that minorities have higher concentrations of jail occupants but that doesn't always mean that is who perpetrates the crimes.. USA is still fairly racist country..

convex:
You're obviously missing the point. I agree with you. Read the thread...

i'm definitely not missing the point as i am right on with this thread.. however i can't same the same about your comprehension of this subject.

convex:
So? There are laws against it. Just report the companies, problem solved.

the problem is that no one is going after these companies instead they are going after the powerless.

convex:
Multiple centuries, you know, hundreds.

there is no hundreds.. maybe a hundred at most.. and those laws you mention aren't the same kind of thing that we are talking about here.. those weren't really immigration laws. besides, how many gunslingers were ever deported from the wild west??
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 May 22, 10, 11:42    #102
plk123:
not necessarily.. it's similar in all the states that minorities have higher concentrations of jail occupants but that doesn't always mean that is who perpetrates the crimes.. USA is still fairly racist country..

Take a look at arrest statistics. A higher proportion of crimes are committed by minorities. Just admit that, and then move on the question of "why is that so", then you can start tackling the problem.

plk123:
i'm definitely not missing the point as i am right on with this thread.. however i can't same the same about your comprehension of this subject.

You're absolutely missing the point, I agree with you. Read the earlier posts. The point smiled and waved at you while it was whooshing past your head.

plk123:
the problem is that no one is going after these companies instead they are going after the powerless.

Yup. Powerless criminals of course, but I agree with you.

plk123:
besides, how many gunslingers were ever deported from the wild west??

They just sent the army to kill Mexican raiders.

I'm all for reducing public services to national defense and privatizing everything else. At that point, let everyone in who wants to come.
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 May 22, 10, 12:05    #103
plk123:
no but in reality we all know what will happen as it already happens all the time in AZ.. the cops pick on brown skinned people..


emphasis mine...

Then you have proof to back up your assertion. Can please I see your proof?
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Edited by: SeanBM  May 22, 10, 12:15    #104
convex:
Take a look at arrest statistics. A higher proportion of crimes are committed by minorities. Just admit that, and then move on the question of "why is that so", then you can start tackling the problem.

Why is that so?
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 May 22, 10, 12:16    #105
SeanBM:
Why is that so?

welfare and lack of opportunity due to mis-allocation of resources.
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 May 22, 10, 12:19    #106
convex:
welfare and lack of opportunity due to mis-allocation of resources.

Could you expand upon that please?

Do you mean welfare cripples people?

Where do the resources go and where do you think they ought to go?

And why are there not enough opportunities for dark skinned people?
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 May 22, 10, 12:27    #107
convex:
welfare and lack of opportunity due to mis-allocation of resources.



moral decay, enabling state policy (welfare) & mis-allocation of resources.

Golly gee; two of the three a result of direct government intervention...
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 May 22, 10, 16:47    #108
Sure, when you take money from working people, and give it to people who don't work. It's when you take money away from people that want to work and better themselves, and give it to people that won't trade the effort for better things in life. It's when you pump tons of money into public schools which provide a mediocre education at best at twice the cost of a private school. It's when you give huge handouts to companies that make bad bets and put regulation into place which insures monopolies and a huge barrier for entering certain industries.

I for one would gladly give 33% of my income to support pet causes, but I can't because that's what the federal government takes from me. Not local, not state, only federal.

It's like cause and effect aren't fully thought through. If the government guarantees loans, lenders won't perform due diligence. If the government guarantees payment of hospital bills and prescription drugs, the prices will go up. Student loans, construction, you name it.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 22, 10, 17:19    #109
SeanBM:
And why are there not enough opportunities for dark skinned people?


I've seen a documentation about masses of dark-skinned Mexicans riding on the roof of a train north, ignoring the danger...they were desperate but unskilled and uneducated.

The US is a very welcomed valve to take out the pressure of an otherwise failed country. All these poor masses dream of going North instead of rebelling against their own corrupt government. They think of the US as a paradise where they will find work quickly, will earn alot soon and become rich even sooner (and then collecting their families).
But as we all know, that barely happens...and now that the US is no longer plastered with Gold there is no reason at all why they should be made forced to accept that illegal mass immigration further.

Europe faces the same situation from invading masses from Africa...if the US sees the need to clamp down harder on illegal immigrants we should support them, Europe should do the same here!

Is it racism? Hardly...it's not our fault that those invading, illegal masses come mainly from countries where the people are in their majority brown/dark-skinned and/or moslem, that the majority of failed countries is ruled by brown/dark-skinned people!

I would be a racist if I would think that brown/dark-skinned people are unable to build functioning states at home at all...;)
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Edited by: SeanBM  May 22, 10, 17:25    #110
Bratwurst Boy:
The US is a very welcomed valve to take out the pressure of an otherwise failed country. All these poor masses dream of going north instead of rebelling against their own corrupt government. They think of the US as a paradise where they will find work quickly, will earn alot soon and become rich.
But as we all know, that barely happens...and now that the US is no longer plastered with Gold there is no reason at all why they should be made forced to accept that illegal mass immigration.

I thought I read somewhere that Germans where the number one immigrants to the U.S. before? i could be completely wrong of course, I just thought I read it on here somewhere.

Bratwurst Boy:
Europe faces the same situation from invading masses from Africa...if the US sees the need to clamp down harder on illegal immigrants we should support them, Europe should do the same here!

I have only ever heard of one person who supports completely open boarders.
Illegal immigrants are breaking the law and must pay the price for their actions or become legal.

Bratwurst Boy:
Is it racism? Hardly...it's not our fault that those invading masses come from countries where the people are mainly brown/dark-skinned or moslem!

No it is history repeating itself, just the players have changed.
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 May 22, 10, 17:26    #111
Bratwurst Boy:


Is it racism? Hardly...it's not our fault that those invading, illegal masses come from countries where the people are mainly brown/dark-skinned or moslem, that the majority of failed countries is ruled by brown/dark-skinned people!


I recommend this film "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel".

I donīt know, but someone who will rather spend his time posting on forums like Skadi instead of doing something productive should stfu.

About brown people. It seems German women are crazy about it. Check this documentary out:

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitrag/video/1045408/Traumprinz-aus-de r-Ferne#/beitrag/video/1045408/Traumprinz-aus-der-Ferne

It sounds like superior women are not into superior men XD
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Edited by: SeanBM  May 22, 10, 17:28    #112
Miguel Colombia:
Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel

One of my favourite books, I tried to watch the documentary but he is a bit boring.
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 May 22, 10, 17:31    #113
SeanBM:
, I tried to watch the documentary but he is a bit boring.


It IS boring, but it makes lots of sence. Itīs a must-see for idiots that relate economical prowess to "race".
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Miguel Colombia:
Itīs a must-see

I think it ought to become part of the school curriculum.
It is an honest investigation in to an interesting question.

Guns germs and steal
The prologue to the book opens with an account of Diamond's conversation with Yali, a New Guinean politician. The conversation turned to the obvious differences in power and technology between Yali's people and the Europeans who dominated the land for 200 years, differences that neither of them considered due to any genetic superiority of Europeans. Yali asked, using the local term "cargo" for inventions and manufactured goods, "Why do white people have so much cargo, but we New Guineans have so little?"


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 May 22, 10, 17:38    #115
SeanBM:
I thought I read somewhere that Germans where the number one immigrants to the U.S. before? i could be completely wrong of course, I just thought I read it on here somewhere.


Yup...there must be a reason that 1/4 of the USians have german background!

Would I be racist saying that there is a difference between brown-skinned, uneducated, immigrants and hardworking, skilled, white Immigrants from Europe who build up the US to the successful country it is???

Naaaaaah :):):)
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 May 22, 10, 17:41    #116
Bratwurst Boy:

Would I be racist saying that there is a difference between brown-skinned, uneducated, immigrants and hardworking, skilled, white Immigrants from Europe who build up the US to the successful country it is???


May I ask how many years you spent at the "Realschule"?

In case you actually made it to the Gymnasium, what title did/do you pursue afterwards?
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 May 22, 10, 17:43    #117
Miguel Colombia:
May I ask how many years you spent at the "Realschule"?

Instead of attacking the messenger, quick question, is it true?
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 May 22, 10, 17:44    #118
Miguel Colombia:
May I ask how many years you spent at the "Realschule"?

In case you actually made it to the Gymnasium, what title did/do you pursue afterwards?


Who asked you? Are you in need of another spanking???
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 May 22, 10, 17:49    #119
Bratwurst Boy:
here must be a reason that 1/4 of the USians have german background!



That's not really accurate. Most of these that you claim as German in ancestry are also Irish, Polish, Italian and whatever. Most Americans are mutts. If you added up everyone who claimed a specific ancestry than you'd get over a billion Americans because they'd be counted two, three or more times due to multiple ancestry.

Bratwurst Boy:
Would I be racist saying that there is a difference between brown-skinned, uneducated, immigrants and hardworking, skilled, white Immigrants from Europe who build up the US to the successful country it is???


No, you are not racist because stating something that is a fact cannot be argued.
Of course American liberals would immediately label you a racist because that's what they do best. I would add that there are lots of "hardworking, skilled," non white immigrants as well. ... but the U.S. arose from white Europeans and became the 'empire' it was and is because of them.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 22, 10, 17:49    #120
Miguel Colombia:
E-spanking? Come on...wie wäre es mit direkten Antworten auf meine Fragen, du Kind?


Maybe you should open a new thread were PF-posters will chat about their private lives?

Why don't you try it? You "Nooo...I'm not an argentinian Jew regardless what I've said earlier - what makes you think so" -stupid!
You are even denying your own heritage, lying, fearing to admit that you are a Jew...you can't go much lower than that!

PS: And you can stop now sending me your pathetical pm's - I blocked you!


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