Chicago's 1.1 million Polish Americans celebrated Constitution Day

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May 9, 11, 03:35 #31

BBman:

I'm interested in how many americans and canadians of scottish descent have british citizenship? There are many cultural event for these "scots" who call themselves scots and wear their kilts and tell everyone they're scottish every day......yet many are 3rd, 4th, 5th generation canadians of scottish descent. Many would have a hard time finding scotland on a map or even name a single scottish city.

Good reply.

Delph's comment that they are morons is just his personal opinion. Obviously lots of other people feel differently. He still, evidently cannot tell the difference between ethnicity and nationality. These folks are celebrating their roots, not their citizenship. Anyway, who cares what he thinks. It is predictable that he will hop on a thread like this to pour cold water on something that makes a lot of other people smile.

Because he works hard in Poland, he beats that drum when it comes to anyone else who says they love the country. Maybe he just wants some kudos for what he does. Many misunderstand him and feel he hates Poland and Polish people. I've come to see that he evidently cares a lot for Poland. But not everyone cares in the same way. Thanks Delph for what you do for Poland. But, have a little respect for what others do even if you think they should be more like you.

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May 9, 11, 03:38 #32

delphiandomine:

The fact that only 20,000 of them could be bothered to vote for the head of state says it all.

LOL

But weren't you angry before that "too many" Poles in America were voting in the Polish elections? So now you're arguing both sides of the argument. LOL As far as Poles in the US voting in the Polish elections, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't from your point of view.

delphiandomine:

Certainly, the Irish Americans could help Ireland right now - plenty of horses have been left to starve to death, the economic situation is dire and life generally sucks there for many Irish people. Then again, Irish America's biggest contribution to Ireland was providing money for terrorists - so I'm not surprised.

Now that's not a nice thing to say about the Irish. :( :( You should apologize to people of Irish ancestry on this forum.

delphiandomine:

Riiiight. You couldn't even reply to several forum posters when they asked you questions in Polish ;)

Really, do you have examples? I admit I'm not fluent in Polish but I know much more then you.

Delphy I am afraid you are describing yourself. You are the one who can't answer basic questions in Polish let alone know about basic things happening in Poland. This coming from a guy who claims to live in Poland for years! LOL

delphiandomine:

Attacking me isn't going to change anything, Polack - you're still unable to speak the language despite claiming to be Polish.

We both know I speak more Polish than you.

So you think me pointing out that you only know 20 words in Polish is an "attack" on you?? After all the horrible things you have said about people of Polish ancestry inside and outside of Poland? Geez LOL

I think your Moscow temper is getting the best of you :(

delphiandomine:

Tinfoil hat - on!
Computer - on!

delphy you are the one with the tinfoil hat. The volume of your messages on this forum in your quest to patrol it about things said about your beloved Russia, speaks for itself as to how paranoid you are. :(

Let's see. I have been on this forum since Aug 30, 2008 and have posted 925 messages and you have been on here for less time then me and have posted 6150 messages. You have posted about 7 times as much as me as of now, and most of the time you are attacking Poles especially after they have had some criticisms of your Russia.

conclusion: delphiadomine paranoia - on!

guesswhoThreads: 23 Posts: 3,326 Joined: Mar 17, 10 ♀	Edited by: guesswho May 9, 11, 03:40 #33
Softsong: These folks are celebrating their roots, not their citizenship. very true. Two different things. Everyone does it, not just the Polish-Americans.

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May 9, 11, 03:51 #34

delphiandomine:

If you can't be bothered to get the citizenship of Poland, you can't be Polish. It really is that simple - anyone who claims to be a proud Polish person would do anything to get the citizenship of their homeland. Heck, there are people in Belarus who are forcibly denied Polish citizenship - yet if they're willing to risk persecution just to hold the "Karta Polaka", what's stopping those Polish Americans?

Ah wait, it's just too damn difficult to get, isn't it?

It's not difficult. Polish-Americans don't need polish passports. There's nothing stopping them from travelling to see their families on their US passports so why bother getting the passport?
Poles living in the former USSR "risk persecution" to get the karta polaka because many of them want to move (difficult process) to Poland to improve their lives.

BabinichThreads: 1 Posts: 1,054 Joined: May 26, 08 ♂	May 9, 11, 04:04 #35
ZIMMY: The Poles are more spread out and more live in the 'burbs than in Chicago proper. Lemont...

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09 ♂	May 9, 11, 04:35 #36
Ah Lemont; I never got a good golf score at Cog Hill. I'm referring to the infamous "Dubsdread" course number 4. The downtown section of the town is nicely quaint. Turn of the century (20th) buildings and earlier. Haven't been there in years though.

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May 9, 11, 09:40 #37

BBman:

It's not difficult. Polish-Americans don't need polish passports. There's nothing stopping them from travelling to see their families on their US passports so why bother getting the passport?

Anyone with any sort of patriotism would want to be a citizen of their homeland. It really is that simple - of course, being a Polish citizen brings obligations, and we just can't have that, can we?

As I've said countless times - they like to be Polish when it suits them, but when it comes to actually doing anything for Poland, they run away and ignore it. All this nonsense about identifying as Polish - sorry, but it's utter nonsense. As I asked above - how many of them complied with their obligations under Article XI of the May 3rd constitution?

Heck, I wonder how many of them even know what Article XI even is? Or is it just a case of celebrating a day that they really know nothing about? I mean, it's highly unlikely any of them actually know why some nobles opposed the constitution, isn't it?

Then again - given the peasant origins of those Polacks, it's no surprise that they celebrate it.

BBman:

Poles living in the former USSR "risk persecution" to get the karta polaka because many of them want to move (difficult process) to Poland to improve their lives.

Many of them don't actually want to move - they like where they are. Many of them don't actually speak Polish too well - and they would always be identified by Poles in Poland as being "Russian" or suchlike. But still, they try all the same.

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Edited by: Moderator May 10, 11, 01:37 #38

delphiandomine:

Anyone with any sort of patriotism would want to be a citizen of their homeland.

But if they are born in America, shouldn't they be patriotic to America since that's where most Polish Americans are born? So should German Americans be first patriotic to Germany and not America since they are of German ancestry????

delphiandomine:

Anyone with any sort of patriotism would want to be a citizen of their homeland. It really is that simple - of course, being a Polish citizen brings obligations, and we just can't have that, can we?

As I've said countless times - they like to be Polish when it suits them, but when it comes to actually doing anything for Poland, they run away and ignore it. All this nonsense about identifying as Polish - sorry, but it's utter nonsense. As I asked above - how many of them complied with their obligations under Article XI of the May 3rd constitution?

An anti-Polish troll like you is the last person to pass judgement on people of Polish ancestry.

A person's obligation, is to the country they live in first and foremost. Not the country of their ancestral origin.

With your twisted logic, that means Irish-American, Italian American, German American and Russian Americans can't celebrate their ethnic roots without going back to their ancestral homeland. What a moron you are.

This isn't about ethnic Americans being patriotic toward their ancestral homeland. Its about them celebrating their ethnic origin. How big of a moron are you not to understand the difference? You always look for these nit picking issues to attack people of Polish ancestry.

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Edited by: ItsAllAboutME May 10, 11, 02:36 #39

Anyone with any sort of patriotism would want to be a citizen of their homeland.

I agree. I think Dope should go wherever it is he came from.

Imo, people should take a civics test before they're allowed to vote. I know many non-citizens who are smarter and more aware of what's going on in the country than born citizens. Obviously, taking a test wouldn't fly either here or in Poland. (Just like people should be required to take an IQ test before they're given a driver's license... Not happening, either.)

If people go through the trouble of casting their absentee votes, it means they care enough. It really doesn't matter that they vote differently than people residing in the actual country in question (or that they vote differently than Dope would - in fact, it only shows how smart they are) - maybe they see and understand some things that only leaving the country lets you do?

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May 10, 11, 04:23 #40

PennBoy:

CHICAGO, May 7 (Xinhua) -- A sea of red and white dominated Chicago's Grant Park Saturday as the city's large Polish American population celebrated Polish Constitution Day, attracting thousands of participants, spectators and top politicians.

Nice Thread PennBoy, its too bad the Europeans on here gang up and try to discredit it. They did to me in the past when I went there and took pics of the parade, as well as The Taste of Polonia

They can forget about me ever doing that again:(

The Europeans on this forum talk such nonsense, unlike like the Poles Ive met Chicago, thats for sure!!

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09 ♂	May 10, 11, 04:27 #41
sledz: They can forget about me ever doing that again:( And the forum is a lesser place because of it. :-(

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May 10, 11, 04:37 #42

ShawnH:

And the forum is a lesser place because of it.

I dont see anything wrong with Polish or Irish Americans etc celebrating their heritage, its a real nice parade as well!
Everyone is friendly and having a great time. Ive never met any Polish person here yet that talked down about my country, they all seem to love it here!

Then you try and share it on the forum and they have to start slamming anything that is America.

Something is wrong with the Europeans on this site,,, Im thinking Jealousy??

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09 ♂	May 10, 11, 04:43 #43
sledz: Something is wrong with the Europeans on this site,,, Im thinking Jealousy?? I would modify that to include the word some before Europeans. There are some here who did/do/would appreciate that kind of post / thread / perspective. And then there is the crew that wouldn't. Too bad really.

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May 10, 11, 04:49 #44

delphiandomine:

As I've said countless times - they like to be Polish when it suits them, but when it comes to actually doing anything for Poland, they run away and ignore it.

Delphia-Dope has so much to say about Polonia... instead, he should be talking about his Russki roots and be an expert in it. It's mind buggling that he can not be able to look in the mirror and assess his credentials. Living in Poland for a few years makes you an expert in NOTHING. Me, living in the US for 30+ years, makes me an expert and I can express my feelings about my Polishness and my US expertise. Going to Constitution Day parade or Taste of Polonia is one of them.So, put your face in a bucket of sh**t and hush. I will express my Polish roots just how I want it ant not how you think I should. Go and wave your commie Russian flag on October 17.

Bow to it

sledzThreads: 29 Posts: 3,202 Joined: Sep 19, 06 ♂	Edited by: sledz May 10, 11, 04:49 #45
ShawnH: I would modify that to include the word some before Europeans Yes, I dont mean all of the posters on here sry, but there are certainly a few. Thanks for pointing that out:)

EurolaThreads: 6 Posts: 2,647 Joined: Dec 2, 06 ♀	May 10, 11, 05:13 #46
"Some Europeans", "most Europeans", "All Europeans" - they wish they were Americans! :) Their obsession with America seems to point this way. No Americans are thinking this way. Quite the opposite.

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Edited by: Pinching Pete May 10, 11, 10:20 #47

Eurola:

"Some Europeans", "most Europeans", "All Europeans" - they wish they were Americans! :)

Ehh, don't know about that. A lot of Europeans are fascinated by America maybe. America has a lot of funny contradictions and it does spark a lot of imagination over in Europe. Get rich , Hollywood stuff. And conversely I know a quite a few Americans that live , eat sleep .. anything European. Europe and America both present interesting but very different options for someone. I've lived in Europe, some of it was overrated, dilapidated, humourless.. also some of it was amazing, beautiful, laid back, friendly. When you read a lot history and suddenly you're there where all these things actually took place and you can kind of feel all the centuries past. Now, that's quite a thing.

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Edited by: PolskiMoc May 10, 11, 14:18 #48

[quote=delphiandomine]Actually it can be good for Poles to move to the West get wealthy & come back later to Poland & build Poland up from the wealth acquired in the West.

Such is the case of with Krzysztof Olszewski the owner of Solaris Bus the inventor of the Hybrid Bus & they make top level bus that even Germany buy.

He left for Germany & He came back to Poland!

Just because someone lives in the West does not make them not Polish!

Actually Poles in America are not nearly as nationalistic to Poland as some other groups like Italian Americans & Irish Americans. Especially Italian Americans. 5th Generation Italian Americans still are extremely Italian oriented.

If anything Polish Americans should be more prideful. I live in New YOrk & So many people here wear Italian & irish pride things. So I wear sometimes Polish pride things.

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