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Why dont americans want a universal health care system?

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plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 19:08 #31
he must be listening to the brown shirts:

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 19:11 #32
Rakky: On what do you base your assumption that Americans do not want a universal health care system? There is little the enterprising Americans can not achieve. They wanted to go to the moon. Poof! They went to the moon. They want universal health care system. Poof. Oh, wait..

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 19:17 #33
the moon trip was/is highly questionable too.. poof, for sure.. i'm just not sure they actually went anywhere.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 19:19 #34
plk123: the moon trip was/is highly questionable too.. poof, for sure.. i'm just not sure they actually went anywhere. the universal health care system may be another such trip? ;)

tj123Threads: - Posts: 104 Joined: Jul 31, 09 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 19:21 #35
plk123: the moon trip was/is highly questionable too.. poof, for sure.. i'm just not sure they actually went anywhere. Pay attention people...this comment epitomizes this forum. Total acceptance of insults and nonsensical comments about the USA...but should someone mention how slow shopworkers are in Poland they are accused of being racist and abusing members.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 19:25 #36
plk123: the moon trip was/is highly questionable too Why because Europe didn't do it? What's wrong you don't have a paragraph about 911 being an inside job as well? You're a funny guy, condemn the US every 3rd post but where do you CHOSE to reside? Kind of a clown, aren't you?

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 19:28 #37
hey, why not have a laugh once in a while: Jokes are good for general health.

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Aug 4, 09, 19:37 #38

z_darius:

Jokes are good for general health

Coming from a country with some of the highest taxes in the world, jokes are probably all you can afford. BTW, where is Canada's space program.. oh sorry "programme". Maybe it's just easier to sit back and criticize a nation that actually does things.

We're going back to the moon here pretty soon. So get the conspiracy theorists ready, lol.

As to health care roughly 16% are uninsured. Put down the smokes and whisky and hit the jogging trail. It's what I do.

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Edited by: tj123 Aug 4, 09, 19:50 #39

scrappleton you are fighting a losing battle. This forum has neither fair standards nor honesty as consistent traits. Americans are allowed to be insulted and lied about...but if you do not praise Poland, or Europe depending on the topic you are threatened with suspension and belittled.

People with absolutely zero knowledge of or interest in American health care are using it to stroke their egos and bait argument. Yet only one side is 'allowed' to comment without it being removed or attacked.

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Aug 4, 09, 19:54 #40

scrappleton:

BTW, where is Canada's space program.. oh sorry "programme". Maybe it's just easier to sit back and criticize a nation that actually does things.

Here's some info about Canadian space programs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Space_Agency

scrappleton:

We're going back to the moon here pretty soon.

Please do.
The world can't wait.

tj123:

Americans are allowed to be insulted and lied about.

Never came across a single insult against Poles on this forum?

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Edited by: PlasticPole Aug 4, 09, 19:59 #41

mvefa:

I wouldn't say "retarded" to all the american comunity, its just that most of the active generation was raised in the cold-war era, therefore anything that sounds like "socialism" scares the hell out of them...

It's not because of that. What's really scary is these health insurers getting their hands on government money (they already get some but if they had their way they would get much more) to make up for the fact they are nothing but a conflict of interest, unless they can get the hugely fat people to stop eating so much junk food (they have already successfully put a huge dent in the smokers). Otherwise they will cost billions and billions. If you think the auto and banking industries were bad asking for their handouts, the health insurers will be much worse. It opens up loopholes too. Everytime they don't make a profit (for whatever the reason) they will hand the govt the bill. The govt hast to clamp down on them first, not just hand over the checkbook or credit card.

dcchrisThreads: 11 Posts: 687 Joined: Oct 29, 07 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 21:00 #42
as usual the masses in america are manipulated by private business/the media. throw a little socialist/communist scare in there and they will never have socialized medicine

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Aug 4, 09, 21:05 #43

dcchris:

as usual the masses in america are manipulated by private business/the media. throw a little socialist/communist scare in there and they will never have socialized medicine

It's not about being manipulated. It's about these huge insurance firms taking all the government's money to make up for their ineffeciencies and lack of profit or too small a profit. The government will not fully "socialize" medicine. Instead they will hand over money to private insurance firms in order to "subsidize" them so they can provide health care to all. It might not be a bad idea in a population that is generally healthy but there's so much fast food, and obesity. There's too much violence as well. Everytime someone is injured by another they end up in the ER. All this adds up, increases costs because these are usually the ones lacking insurance in the first place. Their system isn't working.

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 971 Joined: Jul 21, 09 ♂	Aug 5, 09, 13:56 #44
tj123: Americans are allowed to be insulted and lied about Come on!!!! all you do here is insult poles or other europeans..review your own comments! One last thought, i read somewhere that the american gobernment (or some delegation) was already selling land on the moon..is this true? if it is,,i mean come on!!!!! hahaha would be hilarious!!

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Aug 5, 09, 14:00 #45

dcchris:

the masses in america are manipulated by private business/the media. throw a little socialist/communist scare in there and they will never have socialized medicine

True. Add to this already toxic mix - politicians who are in the business of being re-elected or getting their fellow party members elected instead of doing the right thing for the people who put them in office. Americans have a democrat in the White House and democratic control of both houses and they still won't get a health care system that comes close to doing what European systems do. It's preposterous and very sad.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09 ♂	Aug 5, 09, 14:04 #46
Rakky: It's preposterous and very sad. No what's preposterous is the taxes the European pays (whether you get sick or not). Talk about sad. Universal health care is nothing but a stupid money pit.

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 971 Joined: Jul 21, 09 ♂	Edited by: mvefa Aug 5, 09, 14:05 #47
hope you dont get really sick some day, and be dropped out by your insurance company, i think then you might want to rethink things.

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Edited by: tj123 Aug 5, 09, 14:18 #48

mvefa:

hope you dont get really sick some day, and be dropped out by your insurance company, i think then you might want to rethink things.

Why are you so concerned with the issue? You are obviously quite happy with health care where you live. There are plenty of people who have suffered at the hand of socialized systems as well...you seem to think they are superior...it's very odd how you think. You seem extremely concerned with issues that have no impact on your life.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09 ♂	Aug 5, 09, 14:21 #49
tj123: You seem extremely concerned with issues that have no impact on your life. Yes, just like they were so concerned over the election. Why do they care? They have no stake.

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Aug 5, 09, 14:26 #50

scrappleton:

Why do they care? They have no stake.

It's like how the littlest guy in the room is usually the mouthiest. Napoleon Syndrome on a national scale. Small nations with no large significance in world events trying to be relevant. Nobody wants to admit they are from a place that really doesn't matter all that much to the rest of the world. I hear the pitter patter of idignant feet approaching now....

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Aug 5, 09, 14:33 #51

tj123:

You are obviously quite happy with health care where you live. There are plenty of people who have suffered at the hand of socialized systems as well...you seem to think they are superior...it's very odd how you think. You seem extremely concerned with issues that have no impact on your life.

Well this is a forum, duh!!! what you come here for? interchange ideas, discuss, even fight. Otherwise why are you here?

tj123:

Small nations with no large significance in world events trying to be relevant. Nobody wants to admit they are from a place that really doesn't matter all that much to the rest of the world. I hear the pitter patter of idignant feet approaching now

hahahaha you crack me dude, typical redneck american remark, thinking his country is the only one existing, the rest of the world is a backwards, dangerous, weird, poor, idiotic, etc etc etc, please, travel around the world, see other stuff, open your mind, i can tell that you are a redneck you know why? A redneck is scared of something different, unknown, new, other than what he is used to, that is why you complaint the whooooooooooooooooole time how everything is not as perfect in poland as in the USA.

That's my final conclusion about you, a redneck...

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Edited by: tj123 Aug 5, 09, 14:51 #52

mvefa:

Well this is a forum, duh!!! what you come here for? interchange ideas, discuss, even fight. Otherwise why are you here?

To correct myths and lies perpetuated by certain forum members. I do not understand this strange need many of you have to 'argue'. Your opinion is insignificant to me. I do not need to 'win' any contest with you. I will point out your errors but I am hardly going to engage you. You don't matter enough. It is just my hope that innocent readers of the information here will not be harmed by the false information spread about certain processes...and that they are not made to feel worse by people who seem to revel in their suffering.

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 971 Joined: Jul 21, 09 ♂	Aug 5, 09, 14:54 #53
to me you kind of enjoy argue, just check your own comments. Anyway, had enough of this thread, let's move to the next discussion!!!

tj123Threads: - Posts: 104 Joined: Jul 31, 09 ♂	Aug 5, 09, 14:59 #54
mvefa: Anyway, had enough of this thread, let's move to the next discussion!!! No thank you. I am not interested.

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 971 Joined: Jul 21, 09 ♂	Aug 5, 09, 15:00 #55
whatever!

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Aug 5, 09, 17:42 #56

scrappleton:

No what's preposterous is the taxes the European pays (whether you get sick or not).

Americans pay health care insurance - which is almost always very expensive - whether they get sick or not. So what do you see as the big difference? I eat well, exercise regularly, don't smoke or drink - but I pay just as much as a semi-obese diabetic who gets 5 colds each year and has bad skin, chronic joint pain and asthma. Where is the justice in that?

sledzThreads: 29 Posts: 3,202 Joined: Sep 19, 06 ♂	Aug 5, 09, 17:49 #57
scrappleton: No what's preposterous is the taxes the European pays (whether you get sick or not). Talk about sad. Universal health care is nothing but a stupid money pit. Canada is just as bad with thier over inflated taxes and horrible health care. Theyre so jealous of America like that clown Z-farius

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,181 Joined: May 28, 09 ♀	Aug 5, 09, 18:13 #58
What I've wondered tho is how does anyone expect to make money insuring people's health in the first place? Don't they realize health is an unconstant variable and the cost of maintaining it is the same?

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Aug 5, 09, 18:22 #59

Rakky:

I eat well, exercise regularly, don't smoke or drink - but I pay just as much as a semi-obese diabetic who gets 5 colds each year and has bad skin, chronic joint pain and asthma. Where is the justice in that?

what if your loved ones became ill?

PlasticPole:

What I've wondered tho is how does anyone expect to make money insuring people's health in the first place? Don't they realize health is an unconstant variable and the cost of maintaining it is the same?

Very simple up the premiums, its all about the figures.

mvefaThreads: 11 Posts: 971 Joined: Jul 21, 09 ♂	Aug 5, 09, 18:31 #60
PlasticPole: Don't they realize health is an unconstant variable and the cost of maintaining it is the same? They do, that's why if you get cancer they wont want to insure you anymore!