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Lech Walesa is coming to Chicago January 29th!

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AdamForIllinoisThreads: 1 Posts: 81 Joined: Jan 13, 10 ♂	Jan 20, 10, 05:28 #1
Dear fellow Polish friends, Lech Walesa is coming to Chicago January 29th, no joke, and I will leave you all to see why he is coming. This can help change Illinois for the better just like Massachusetts did for Scott Brown earlier. Tom

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09 ♂	Jan 20, 10, 05:29 #2
Lock the liquor cabinent.

krysiaThreads: 26 Posts: 3,604 Joined: Aug 10, 06 ♀	Edited by: krysia Jan 20, 10, 05:46 #3
Na zdrowie!

sledzThreads: 29 Posts: 3,202 Joined: Sep 19, 06 ♂	Jan 20, 10, 05:54 #4
Wałesa is coming,,time to Party!!!!!!

AdamForIllinoisThreads: 1 Posts: 81 Joined: Jan 13, 10 ♂	Jan 20, 10, 06:01 #5
Wow, how did you make that picture??? I need it!!! And I know this thread will and shall very well receive many comments. Some of you may know what it will be about, but now is the time to talk to the Polish community... time to make history and put an end to corruption in Illinois! The people of Illinois and the Polish population here doesn't deserve this at all.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09 ♂	Edited by: scrappleton Jan 20, 10, 06:01 #6
lol.. Well he's a tough old boy who stood up to the Soviets.. so he's earned some drinks.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jan 20, 10, 08:51 #7
He's probably going there to tell you all about his experiences as TW "Bolek."

JucheThreads: 13 Posts: 356 Joined: Feb 17, 09 ♂	Edited by: Juche Jan 20, 10, 09:15 #8
AdamForIllinois: Lech Walesa is coming to Chicago January 29th quick, everybody hide.....but why the suspense? what's this visit all about??

AdamForIllinoisThreads: 1 Posts: 81 Joined: Jan 13, 10 ♂	Jan 20, 10, 09:20 #9
Sorry to build up suspense but it's regarding Adam's campaign for Governor.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 20, 10, 12:47 #10
AdamForIllinois: Sorry to build up suspense but it's regarding Adam's campaign for Governor. How much is Walesa getting paid? (No, I don't buy the IPN witchhunt, but it's hardly a secret that Walesa will endorse anything for the right amount of cash)

AdamForIllinoisThreads: 1 Posts: 81 Joined: Jan 13, 10 ♂	Jan 20, 10, 16:33 #11
I don't understand what you mean, but Walesa isn't taking any money here, he is a well-respected man around the world.

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Edited by: SeanBM Jan 20, 10, 16:39 #12

delphiandomine:

but it's hardly a secret that Walesa will endorse anything for the right amount of cash)

AdamForIllinois:

I don't understand what you mean,

I think delphiandomine is talking about Walesa supporting Libertas for money Walesa the surprise guest at Libertas convention

But perhaps what was not so much in the media's eye was the fact that Walesa backed the Lisbon treaty, which Libertas was strongly against.
Walesa will urge Irish to support Lisbon

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Jan 20, 10, 16:44 #13

AdamForIllinois:

I don't understand what you mean, but Walesa isn't taking any money here, he is a well-respected man around the world.

I don't believe that for one second. Walesa has developed a bad reputation in recent years for being willing to turn up at anything (and being willing to endorse anything) in exchange for money - witness his endorsement of Gadu-Gadu and Libertas as two rather prominent examples.

I don't believe for one second that Walesa would fly to the USA to endorse a political candidate without being paid (and paid well).

Honest GeorgeThreads: 2 Posts: 121 Joined: Nov 12, 09 ♂	Jan 20, 10, 17:15 #14
Wrap him in cotton wool and keep him away from all obstacles. Any accident and he will be filing a law suit for compensation. " WHO PUT THAT BLOODY MICROPHONE THERE " ? " OOOW MY BACK "

bravoThreads: 4 Posts: 101 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♂	Jan 20, 10, 17:18 #15
Wasn't he hanging out with that gang of clowns--Libertas?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Jan 20, 10, 17:22 #16
bravo: Wasn't he hanging out with that gang of clowns--Libertas? See my post above, I provided links.

bravoThreads: 4 Posts: 101 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♂	Jan 20, 10, 17:24 #17
SeanBM: See my post above, I provided links. Yeah I remember that. His left hand didnt know what his right hand was doing.

JucheThreads: 13 Posts: 356 Joined: Feb 17, 09 ♂	Jan 20, 10, 17:33 #18
AdamForIllinois: he is a well-respected man around the world. except in Poland, where many people think he's a boob and a redneck.

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Jan 20, 10, 17:34 #19
AdamForIllinois: I don't understand what you mean, but Walesa isn't taking any money here C'mon, can't be more obvious that this wannabe governor needs some Polish-American votes and tries everything to get them. Cheap, if you ask me, but hey, he's a politician...

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Jan 20, 10, 18:12 #20

Well, I have to say to some of you I am disappointed in some of the posts. Adam is not a pay-to-play politician like Blagojevich was and the other six candidates in this race are business-as-usual politicians. If you want real reform and a fresh new face to our state, you would join Adam's movement. If all of you met him in person, your opinions would be greatly in favor of him. He's a unique individual, coming from 8 generations of a family farm in rural Illinois. He has tough work ethic and he deserves to get the opportunity to fix our state's budget mess.

Pawelek1Threads: 1 Posts: 35 Joined: Jul 11, 09 ♂	Jan 20, 10, 18:35 #21
Walesa isnt admired by many of the poles I have talked with about him...

AdamForIllinoisThreads: 1 Posts: 81 Joined: Jan 13, 10 ♂	Jan 20, 10, 20:02 #22
I've heard he's admired by those here in America especially.

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Jan 20, 10, 23:35 #23

AdamForIllinois:

Well, I have to say to some of you I am disappointed in some of the posts.

Why? Walesa is destroying his legacy by associating with anyone that'll pay him enough money - and I don't think anyone here believes for one second that he's associating himself with an American politican for any other reason than money.

You don't live in this country and don't read the news here - while you might believe that he's an All Polish HERO - a significant minority believes that he was a traitor, and the majority of people will regard his presidency as a failure. The fact that he lost his campaign for re-election to an ex-Communist and clear alcoholic should tell you how bad his presidency was. In fact, even your own NY Times stated at one point that there was a very real fear of Walesa becoming dictatorial in the early 90's - he certainly ran Solidarność that way in 1980/1!

AdamForIllinois:

Adam is not a pay-to-play politician like Blagojevich was and the other six candidates in this race are business-as-usual politicians.

So why's he paying Walesa to endorse him, then? It's a cheap, cynical move designed to appeal to all those "Polish-Americans" who haven't actually visited Poland and know two words in Polish - kielbasa and pierogi.

AdamForIllinois:

If you want real reform and a fresh new face to our state, you would join Adam's movement.

So why is he associating himself with a has-been in Walesa?

AdamForIllinois:

If all of you met him in person, your opinions would be greatly in favor of him.

I really couldn't care less about him. It's kinda hard to believe a campaign staffer, though.

AdamForIllinois:

He's a unique individual, coming from 8 generations of a family farm in rural Illinois.

8 generations of farmers? Ask most Polish people what they think of farmers and especially KRUS...

AdamForIllinois:

I've heard he's admired by those here in America especially.

Mainly because Polish Americans are mostly those that emigrated a long time ago and don't know the details of Walesa's reign, nor do they know or hear about the accusations thrown at him.

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Edited by: bolek Jan 20, 10, 23:47 #24

delphiandomine:

Mainly because Polish Americans are mostly those that emigrated a long time ago and don't know the details of Walesa's reign, nor do they know or hear about the accusations thrown at him.

Ha ha, Walesa is no better than those he took over from, he was only interested in status and money, there is enough evidence to suggest that he should answer allegations about being a member of the dreaded secret police, to me he is a electrician and should use his talents replacing electric bulbs. He is laughed at by his own people.

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Edited by: delphiandomine Jan 20, 10, 23:58 #25

bolek:

Ha ha, Walesa is no better than those he took over from, he was only interested in status and money,

Well, it's recorded fact that Walesa was seen by many to be acting like a king within Solidarność in 80/81 - there's even plenty of English language stuff about him doing this.

Nowadays, it's hardly a secret that he's after money and will turn up to the opening of a paper bag if you pay him enough.

bolek:

there is enough evidence to suggest that he should answer allegations about being a member of the dreaded secret police,

This is my point - although I don't believe he was, plenty of Polish people do. Whether or not it's true is irrelevant - the point is that he isn't seen as particularly saintly by quite a few people. He's certainly not a national hero as this political staffer seems to think.

However, stupid Polish-Americans will undoubtably believe that Walesa is endorsing this Adam guy because Walesa is nice like that and not because he's being paid a good bit of cash to do so.

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Jan 21, 10, 00:26 #26

delphiandomine:

With records raided and files burnt, I suppose we will never know the real truth about this man, obviously a lot of people have been paid off to remain silent etc, It was people power who changed the system in a period of time were the system was so rotten and bankrupt that it would collapse anyway. Credit to Walesa anyway for taking the lead, it has made him a rich man.

AdamForIllinoisThreads: 1 Posts: 81 Joined: Jan 13, 10 ♂	Jan 21, 10, 00:45 #27
delphiandomine: So why's he paying Walesa to endorse him, then? It's a cheap, cynical move designed to appeal to all those "Polish-Americans" who haven't actually visited Poland and know two words in Polish - kielbasa and pierogi. JUST TO INFORM ALL OF YOU, I SAID HE WAS COMING TO CHICAGO JANUARY 29TH AS THE THREAD'S TITLE SAYS. I NEVER SAID IT WAS AN OFFICIAL ENDORSEMENT!!!

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Edited by: TheOther Jan 21, 10, 00:57 #28
AdamForIllinois: I NEVER SAID IT WAS AN OFFICIAL ENDORSEMENT Okay, then let's rephrase delphiandomine's statement: *"So why is he paying (or asking) Walesa to come over to the USA, then?"* It's still a cheap, cynical and very obvious move, and it tells quite a bit about the character of this candidate, IMHO.

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Jan 21, 10, 01:05 #29

Who said he is paying for this? You have to understand my point of this thread was to let people know he's coming to Chicago. Since I was born here in Chicago, I regard Walesa a bit higher than some others. Leave the differences aside. I would like to see more Polish individuals come to Chicago. You know, Adam went to Poland in November and was warmly brought around the country. This is a great thing for Polish people and I'm sick of hearing negativity. I didn't post this to have argument.

AdamForIllinoisThreads: 1 Posts: 81 Joined: Jan 13, 10 ♂	Jan 21, 10, 02:08 #30
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