Do many Polish people in America hate Americans?

Kary	Aug 4, 09, 19:05 #151
This is true (:

gumishuThreads: 13 Posts: 3,634 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 19:09 #152
Disaster: I have news for you guys: all of immigrats hate Americans. hehehe :)

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Aug 4, 09, 19:16 #153

scrappleton:

"Americans are fat, stupid, materialistic, arrogant, lazy..." - But almost in the same sentence.. "Hey America, what's with the visa restrictions, why wouldn't you want more of us living with you??

Ha! You trickster.
Are these posts by the same people?
I, for one, never complained about US visa issues for Poles. Heck, I fell out of love with the US so I left. That is not to say I hate America. Lotsa good buddies of mine there. It's just the country is not for me. Much like, let's say, Antarctica . I'm sure it's a cool place, few fat people, most are very smart, but me and Antarctica ... nah.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 19:32 #154
z_darius: few fat people From what I've seen Canucks have quite a few themselves.. z_darius: Heck, I fell out of love with the US so I left. z_darius: That is not to say I hate America Who cares? Like your some damn treasure.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 19:34 #155
scrappleton: From what I've seen Canucks have quite a few themselves In Antarctica? scrappleton: Who cares? Like your some damn treasure. Of course I am. I quit though. Sorry. Hope you understand.

scrappletonThreads: - Posts: 1,365 Joined: Apr 28, 09 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 19:38 #156
z_darius: I quit though Probably a mantra for you.

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Aug 4, 09, 19:58 #157

scrappleton:

From what I've seen Canucks have quite a few themselves..

I find it amusing that so many people slag off the USA yet they imitate and buy our music, watch our movies, buy our clothes etc. They make false claims about our education or fitness to make themselves feel superior in some way. Most of them have never been to the USA. It is sport to hate us...yet they keep coming....keep staying illegally...keep taking while cursing us....funny that.

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Edited by: scrappleton Aug 4, 09, 20:09 #158

tj123:

It is sport to hate us...yet they keep coming....keep staying illegally...keep taking while cursing us....funny that.

Well said and I think slowly and surely the US populace is starting to realize exactly the points you've been articulating on here. I've lived in Europe myself and nobody on Earth is as arrogant. They are basically what Calvin Coolidge called "educated derelicts". The next thing they'll probably "invent" is the 30 hour work week.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 20:18 #159
scrappleton: The next thing they'll probably "invent" is the 30 hour work week. The invention is already taken.

NikaThreads: 3 Posts: 651 Joined: Jul 21, 09 ♀	Aug 4, 09, 20:24 #160
The 35-hour week is not everywhere in Europe. In Poland there is 40 h. work week. This actually allows you to better ballance work and private life and I find it better than the American "I work 2 shifts and still can't pay my bills" system.

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Aug 4, 09, 20:28 #161

Nika:

The 35-hour week is not everywhere in Europe.

Certainly not here in the UK, not in my job at least.

I do 37.5 paid hours (plus several unpaid every week - we can't go until everything's done) and I have to be "around" for at least 41 per week, whatever happens. The job keeps running but we don't get paid breaks, and we can get dragged off our breaks if needed.

And I think I'm well off compared to a lot of others!

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Edited by: tj123 Aug 4, 09, 20:30 #162

Nika:

This actually allows you to better ballance work and private life and I find it better than the American "I work 2 shifts and still can't pay my bills" system.

That why most Poles are extended on credit? There is no way they could afford 500,000pln flats and cars, huge flat panel TVs, clothing and computers that cost twice as much as they do in the US and all the overpriced goods here on the salaries common here which are lower than in the US. To claim the Polish work week is somehow 'superior' is absurd.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 20:33 #163
tj123: To claim the Polish work week is somehow 'superior' is absurd. who made such claims? What does "superior work week" mean?

tj123Threads: - Posts: 104 Joined: Jul 31, 09 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 20:34 #164
z_darius: who made such claims? What does "superior work week" mean? Look who I quoted darius...read the thread. Its right there...ask her.

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Aug 4, 09, 20:39 #165

Nowhere in my post did I say the Polish work week is superior, I just answered to the previous post about 35 h work week, I am sure there is more European countries where people work more than that.
However, even though Europeans work less than the Americans, the social and health care is so much better here and I get the general impressions that the wealth is more balanced in Europe - I've never seen so many poor, homeless people in Europe as I have in New York for example, this really shocked me.

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Edited by: Pierogi Aug 4, 09, 20:41 #166

tj123:

Look who I quoted darius...read the thread. Its right there...ask her.

Agreed, it's all there.

If someone can explain to me how someone can live on 3000PLN (gross) when a small flat can easily cost the same, and can further can explain why that is somehow "better" than living/working here in the UK - where I can easily get a small house or flat for £400-450/month (2000-2500PLN), while taking home the equivalent of 9000PLN a month - then I'm willing to listen.

But I doubt that I'll be convinced somehow ;)

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Edited by: tj123 Aug 4, 09, 20:42 #167

Nika:

Nowhere in my post did I say the Polish work week is superior

You said it was better...better =superior.

And using New York as the benchmark for the entire US is dishonest. It's like saying the Warsaw Central Station represents all life in Poland. I see more homeless people in Warsaw every day than I ever did in the USA...see how that works? You are inferring that Europe is 'better' because you claim the USA has more homeless and poor...its horribly dishonest.

NikaThreads: 3 Posts: 651 Joined: Jul 21, 09 ♀	Aug 4, 09, 20:47 #168
Nika: The 35-hour week is not everywhere in Europe. In Poland there is 40 h. work week. This actually allows you to better ballance work and private life and I find it better than the American "I work 2 shifts and still can't pay my bills" system. where do I state Polish system is better????

tj123Threads: - Posts: 104 Joined: Jul 31, 09 ♂	Edited by: tj123 Aug 4, 09, 20:49 #169
Nika: where do I state Polish system is better???? ^ right up there :) I won't play pedantic games...everyone can see it above.

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Aug 4, 09, 20:55 #170

thanks for making me laugh tj123!
In general, I definitely prefer the European model.
I work my 35 hours a week, get paid every extra hour I do, after my work, instead of going to another job, I can go to a café have a drink or two or spend the whole evening at a terrasse when the weather is nice and still I can pay all my bills, my rent, travels and plenty of other things.
Żyć nie umierać! Life in Europe is beautiful!

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Edited by: tj123 Aug 4, 09, 21:09 #171

Nika:

I can go to a café have a drink or two or spend the whole evening at a terrasse when the weather is nice and still I can pay all my bills, my rent, travels and plenty of other things.

As can just as many people in America...despite what you want to be true. Your preference is of no consequence to me...just don't lie about the US lifestyle to try and make yours look better...its shameful. If life were so poor in the US people wouldnt travel there from all over the world including Poland for medical care and education for example.

And anyone who claims they prefer paying twice as much for a laptop...or three times as much for Levis is so blatantly dishonest its ridiculous. I know it is in your cultural make up to claim superiority but give it a rest. This need to be 'better' is tiring.

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Aug 4, 09, 21:17 #172

The work/life ratio is definitely different in the US as it is in Europe.
The old adage seems true:

Americans live to work, Europeans work to live.

I worked in the US and my first years were pretty tough. 11 hour work days, 9 hours on Saturdays, side job on Sunday. I wasn't complaining as I herded some money for the effort.

Canada is only slightly better, but that depends on who you work for.
Also, the starting time matters. In some EU countries the work day starts at 7am and ends at 3pm and change. The same number of hours (more or less) as in the US but more of the day is left after you get home.

No matter where you live, I get job in some government agency. Highly recommended ;)

tj123Threads: - Posts: 104 Joined: Jul 31, 09 ♂	Edited by: tj123 Aug 4, 09, 21:18 #173
z_darius: Americans live to work, Europeans work to live. This is just not true. It is like most other wive's tales and urban myths....nonsense. Your life was tough because of your situation, being in a foreign culture, and your specific job. Many Americans enjoy wonderful lifestyles...many don't...EXACTLY like Europe. Stop this ridiculous nonsense.

NikaThreads: 3 Posts: 651 Joined: Jul 21, 09 ♀	Aug 4, 09, 21:19 #174
I had lived USA and now I am living in Europe and all I am saying is that I definitely prefer Europe, that's it.

tj123Threads: - Posts: 104 Joined: Jul 31, 09 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 21:23 #175
Nika: I had lived USA and now I am living in Europe and all I am saying is that I definitely prefer Europe, that's it. You inferred much more...just be honest...its not hard....and of course you prefer Europe better...we naturally prefer our homes when all things settle.

NikaThreads: 3 Posts: 651 Joined: Jul 21, 09 ♀	Aug 4, 09, 21:25 #176
z_darius: Americans live to work, Europeans work to live. I agree!

tj123Threads: - Posts: 104 Joined: Jul 31, 09 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 21:28 #177
Nika: I agree! Europeans claiming 'why' we Americans work...how arrogant.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Aug 4, 09, 21:42 #178
tj123: Your life was tough because of your situation, being in a foreign culture, and your specific job. I'm not complaining and I wasn't then. tj123: Many Americans enjoy wonderful lifestyles...many don't. true in any country

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Aug 5, 09, 00:03 #179

z_darius:

No matter where you live, I get job in some government agency. Highly recommended ;)

Indeed! Slacker :0

http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Federal+civil+servants+have+highes t+absentee+rate/1851684/story.html

"Workers in the federal public service continue to have the highest rates of absenteeism in the country, and they are shooting upwards in step with an economy-wide increase in days away from work over the last 10 years.

According to Statistics Canada, last year federal employees were absent from scheduled work 16.2 days on average, between sick leave, family demands and other personal reasons. This is in addition to vacation days, maternity leave and other scheduled time off."

Now I know where my tax dollar is wasted :)

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Aug 5, 09, 01:59 #180

Lucynda:

I only ask because this is the opinion of my girlfriend. We both live in Chicago, and know Polish people. But she says that they hate being here, and look down upon Americans because they see us as rich and lazy.

The European mentality. Because they are collectivist, they believe that everything is a limited resource and anyone who has more than another is denying someone else their "fair share". They are trained to think this way from an early age. The circular economy cannot withstand growing internal demand or hoarding. Rich? As an American, I refuse to apologize for my prosperity. How insane it would be to regret success and blessings! I leave the self-loathing to you. Lazy? No, We just make it all look easy!

Just remember, If you get into trouble in the U.S, just say "Moose and Squirrel", While the Yanks are laughing, you can make your escape.

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