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Edited by: Wedle  Oct 11, 11, 21:10    #1
Tahrir Square in Cairo, Green Square in Tripoli, Syntagma Square in Athens and now Zuccotti Park in New York -- popular anger against entrenching power elites is spreading around the world.

Many have been intrigued by the Occupy Wall Street movement against financial inequality that started in a New York park and expanded across America from Tampa, Florida, to Portland, Oregon, and from Los Angeles to Chicago.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/11/us-usa-wallstreet-world-idUS TRE79A3OB20111011

Could this movement spread to Poland or is it just Passionate but Pointless?
Is there a reason for such a movement in Poland after surviving the global crisis?

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 Oct 11, 11, 21:22    #2
maybe a few people would come out in support in Poland. I don't think anything major. All of these countries are experiencing major crisis where Poland is pretty stable.
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 Oct 11, 11, 21:23    #3
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Could this movement spread to Poland

Poland has just re-elected its government: what do you think?
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 Oct 11, 11, 21:28    #4
is it just Passionate but Pointless?

This movement is passionate and it has a point summed up in its simple slogan: 99%. It is time to take back the government for the 99% of Americans whose interests are not served by Plutocracy.
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 Oct 11, 11, 21:31    #5
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It is time to take back the government for the 99% of Americans whose interests are not served by Plutocracy.

Good for you. It seems that Americans are less than happy with the government. Poles, on the other hand, are very content with their government. This was shown by the votes of Poles in the recent election.
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 Oct 11, 11, 21:32    #6
This movement is passionate and it has a point summed up in its simple slogan: 99%. It is time to take back the government for the 99% of Americans whose interests are not served by Plutocracy.


Passionate like the Tea Party?
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 Oct 11, 11, 21:37    #7
Poland has just re-elected its government: what do you think?


The Occupy Wall street movement seems to have no political agenda, other than anti Bankers/establishment. As Jim Rogers pointed out recently in 10-20 years time the bankers will be driving wrong in taxis as the farmers drive round in Lambos and Porsche. The Poles have solidarity running through their veins, so I guess it depends on how it is reported by the media here.
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 Oct 11, 11, 21:39    #8
The Poles have solidarity running through their veins


Hahahaha...HAHAHAHAHA.

That's the funniest thing I've read on this forum all week :D
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Edited by: Wedle  Oct 11, 11, 21:47    #9
Hahahaha...HAHAHAHAHA.

That's the funniest thing I've read on this forum all week :D


You would probably have laughed even more if I had mentioned three months ago, Polikot would get 10% of the vote in the October elections. Theres nowt stranger than folk !


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 Oct 11, 11, 22:13    #10
Interesting crossroads in American politics.
Its funny, but when I first heard about this a couple of weeks ago I wondered why they didnt set up a new Hooverville, now they have, Woody would be proud :)
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 Oct 11, 11, 22:18    #11
I wondered why they didnt set up a new Hooverville


It is not the great depression, its just a bunch of peaceful protesters saying " Enough is enough"


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 Oct 11, 11, 22:37    #12
It is not the great depression

Not for you maybe, but for the thousands of "middle class " American families bedding down in sports halls and homeless shelters tonight it may as well be the 1930s.
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 Oct 12, 11, 09:18    #13
Poland is not ready for such a movement, too many people are lured by the new promises of capitalism and materialism . The protest movement in poland is about anti church and anti drug war, not anti banker class.
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 Oct 12, 11, 09:48    #14
thousands of "middle class " American families bedding down in sports halls


I feel for those people that believed the dream and believed it would never end.

Poland is not ready for such a movement, too many people are lured by the new promises of capitalism and materialism . The protest movement in poland is about anti church and anti drug war, not anti banker class.


Absolutely, Poles have taken to capitalism/materialism like a duck to water, there also has to be lessons learned from the situation going on in western europe now, as the middle classes get squeezed. If median incomes fall, then the poverty line falls,as countries get poorer, the numbers in "poverty" can diminish.The generally accepted definition of poverty is an income which falls below 60% of the median income.The number of people below that line will remain steady or fall unless that group is being hit proportionately harder than those on middle incomes. It is estimated that real median household incomes have fallen significantly in western europe, between 2009 and 2011. By reducing the relative poverty line, this reduces relative poverty, other things being equal. Normally in recessions, relative poverty declines because welfare levels remain constant as middle incomes shrink. This time, relative poverty is rising as welfare reforms squeeze the incomes of the poorest.The media may focus on what today's figures tell us about the squeezed middle, but today's report is really a challenge to government's claim of "fairness".

It will be interesting to see what PO does over the next quarter, in order to appease the electorate, when all is going pear shaped to the west.
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 Oct 12, 11, 12:15    #15
Merged: why was OCCUPY WALL STREET not Televised?

why was OCCUPY WALL STREET not Televised as it should of been, it's been going on for weeks and not all news channels are broadcasting it? the big question you should as is WHY? it's strange don't you think?

I do, don't you?
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 Oct 12, 11, 12:37    #16
you should as is WHY? it's strange don't you think?


Not really, the protesters have no political agenda, it just seemed to be in the start a bunch of misfits, if you are organized and have an agenda with spokespersons of course the news channels want the action. It seems to be gathering pace now moving across America and over the pond to Europe. It has to be peaceful though otherwise the protesters will be classed as thugs. Furthermore they do not represent the 99%, although it will be interesting to see where how far this protest goes.
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 Oct 12, 11, 12:38    #17
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why was OCCUPY WALL STREET not Televised

The revolution will not be televised! The revolution will be live.
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 Oct 12, 11, 12:56    #18
At first I was in favor of these protests.
The problem is these people dont actually know what they are doing.
The movements demands should have been kept simple.

Then when I read ~13 of their demands I realized it was a joke.
The demands are very left wing.

For example they want everyone to be paid 20 dollars / hour regardless of their job status.
Thats a joke. Why should a dropout on the street be paid 20 for nothing?
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 Oct 12, 11, 13:00    #19
Do you thing anything will change and they really care?

Eventually it will if enough people join the movement. This is the beginning and it will get much, much worse.

why was OCCUPY WALL STREET not Televised as it should of been, it's been going on for weeks and not all news channels are broadcasting it? the big question you should as is WHY? it's strange don't you think?

The answer is obvious, its not in US news corporations best interests to show it.

Lots of yuotube vids of Police brutality though.


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Edited by: Wedle  Oct 12, 11, 13:02    #20
At first I was in favor of these protests.


Larry Doyle in his article gives a good starting point.

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/11/what-should-‘occupy-wall-str eet’-demand/

The answer is obvious, its not in US news corporations best interests to show it.


Why, if there was an agenda - it would sell advertising space.

I must admit I did like the t-shirt one of the protesters was wearing:

I don't need sex !

I get f*cked everyday by big corporations.

Absolute classic.
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Edited by: antheads  Oct 12, 11, 13:04    #21


The childrens television workshop is uprising too

RE people talking bout the protests as a singular movement, this is a grassroots outpouring of grievances against the banker class, of course it is not and should not have a unified voice, otherwise it will be coopted much like the tea party./
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 Oct 12, 11, 13:05    #22
Why should a dropout on the street be paid 20 for nothing?

why should a middle class person whos parent were wealthy enough to pay for their college education get $1000 / hour? Your opinion is exactly what the powers that be want you to say, that is the problem right there and as long as people like you believe that it will perpetuate.

What makes a dropout, in your opinion?
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 Oct 12, 11, 13:22    #23
why should a middle class person whos parent were wealthy enough to pay for their college education get $1000 / hour? Your opinion is exactly what the powers that be want you to say, that is the problem right there and as long as people like you believe that it will perpetuate.

What makes a dropout, in your opinion?


I dont want to sound to right wing on this but ill say my opinion regardless...

Believe me I dont like the rich. I think it sucks that billionaires can pass their wealth to their son Joe even though Joe was a drop out and never had much brains/skills to begin with.
While this is happening a hard working person with a university degree is potentially left unemployed.

A dropout im thinking a high school (American high school) dropout. In some instance a post secondary dropout.

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

Demand number 9 is ridiculous. America should be closing its borders especially with the illegal immigrants coming from Mexico and elsewhere.

Demands 6 and 7 sound nice but WHERE is the money gonna come from? US economy is garbage and I think the Fed should be erased from history.

Demand 4 sounds un-American to some Americans (im Canadian so im just guessing). Personally I think "FREE" education is nice
but in a large country like USA its a lot harder than it sounds. Americans dont like taxes and taxes would go up should a "free" education happen.
The rich in particular want their money to mean something and they dont want any person to just get college education.
Many people arent smart enough for college and dont want to go. While I support having more educated civilization
tax payers would be paying for some people who dont take education seriously.

Demand 3 ive already touched on.

Demand 2 I support but in a place like USA there is tens of millions of people who oppose this and not just the rich.
Socialized Health Care is nice but waiting times are at times bad.
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 Oct 12, 11, 13:33    #24
Legend, the government of the USA found the trillions to bail out Wall Street bankers. It should now find the trillions to spend on new programs that would actually get the economy going again and benefit the majority of its citizens.
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 Oct 12, 11, 13:48    #25
Legend, the government of the USA found the trillions to bail out Wall Street bankers. It should now find the trillions to spend on new programs that would actually get the economy going again and benefit the majority of its citizens.


Well you are right. But where does it stop? The Fed keeps printing money likes its nothing. The zionist bankers (Bernake, Greenspan, etc, etc) think its all a game.

Honestly USA should close the borders, bring home the troops, cut the military spending from 700 billion to 100 billion.
I still dont like that the US bailed out the Car companies.
USA also needs to stop sending money to places that do not need them. For example Israel gets 3-6 billion dollars (minimum figures) per year.
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 Oct 12, 11, 14:05    #26
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Well you are right. But where does it stop? The Fed keeps printing money likes its nothing. The zionist bankers (Bernake, Greenspan, etc, etc) think its all a game.

Do you think that we could at least have this one discussion without anti-semitism rearing its ugly head. Thanks.
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 Oct 12, 11, 14:43    #27
If you read what I posted

And perhaps their grandparents were Ukrainian peasants.

Oh, sorry, I forgot: that is one of the things anti-semites usually have, not what anti-anti-semites have.

Claiming anti-Semites usually have Ukrainian grandparents is both stupid and not on-topic. You are trolling PWEI.
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 Oct 12, 11, 14:44    #28
Charles Cooke explains what he saw on " Occupy Wall Street".....
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/279373/what-i-saw-revolution-char les-c-w-cooke

From the link: "In truth, those camped out in Zuccotti Park are running a commune more than a protest. They have established a small communitarian village, which is punctuated by a small cabal of the angry, the insane, and the ignorant. Nothing I have seen is representative of a serious movement, and even less is indicative of any substantive thought. John Maynard Keynes is nowhere to be seen; instead, Occupy Wall Street has become an irresistible magnet for performance artists with generic grievances, and those who consider Stéphane Hessell’s absurd pamphlet, Indignez vous!, to be a serious rallying cry. So prevalent are these types, in fact, that a significant portion of those in attendance might as well be wearing t-shirts announcing, I’m Only Here For The Drum Circle And Organic Arugula.
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 Oct 12, 11, 14:53    #29
lols, Another Uncle Tom to the Bankers.
Makes rational people p!ss themselves laughing/shake their heads in bafflement that non multimillionares que up to protect them. Whats up Zim',looking for a couple of crumbs from the top table?
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 Oct 12, 11, 14:56    #30
bafflement that non multimillionares que up to protect them.


The saddest thing is watching working class cops beat the protesters with batons for daring to stand up for the working class.


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