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 Jun 3, 11, 15:30    #211
Right, I forgot, its all about freedom and democracy

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 Jun 12, 11, 12:24    #212
I tried to sleep, but Im too tired to sleep. I had to look at this visa waiver thing and find out exactly which countries were on the list and why Poland is not. The counties which made the list which surprise me are; The Czech Republic, Slovakia, Latvia, and Slovenia. If anyone was going to come and overstay, it would be among these. And Poland, with its history and close alliance with the United States is not on the Visa Waiver Program? I don´t get it. But when you look at the list of Road Map counties, as they are called, you also see surprises. Israel is being only being considered, as is Taiwan...and Cyprus?

Yes, the USA is closely allied with Israel and Taiwan and they are not on the visa waiver program. So, I guess it should not be surprising that another close ally of the US is not on the list. I guess it is just politics. Still, I wonder, why not Poland? Especially when you have The Czech Republic and Slovakia on the list.

So I researched the question and this is what I found.

Under current law, the United States may waive visas only when a country meets requirements such as a low rate of visa over-stayers, 10% or less, and a visa refusal rate below 3 percent.

Poland fell below the 10% threshold, but..... recently, the percentage of overstayers permitted dropped to 3%, making Poland ineligible because of The Department of Homeland Security goofed something up.

So, the President, and Secretary Clinton cannot override the law. The law has to be changed, and that would require going to US Congress to change it, and that takes time.

I support the Visa Waiver Program for Poland. I hope they are admitted right soon. It can only benefit the USA to make and keep as many friends in Europe as possible.
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Edited by: michaelmansun  Jun 12, 11, 12:33    #213
Wroclaw Boy:
Its not going to make any difference Poles will visit the US and will stay there illegally, then the visa will be revoked.


Maybe.
delphiandomine:
Poles on the whole are very welcoming towards foreigners - the only bad treatment I've seen (apart from the usual racist crap that happens in every country) is when some dumb Americans have done something....dumb.



For example, you flithy unwashed Brit?

sledz:
I highly doubt the Polish government wants the USA to remove Visa restrictions. They dont need another mass exodus of people leaving their country never to return, who will fill the vacuum??


Brits and Frenchies will fill the vacuum.

Poles can roam all of Europe. Why would there be a mass exodus to the USA? Oh, the 10 million family members to visit. Maybe.

Anyway, the visa waiver will happen this year probably.

Ironside:
Fine - there should be visas for American citizens visiting Poland - its only fair!


It would only make the USA determined not to add Poland to the Visa Waiver program. And anyway, Poland cannot do that to American citizens, because the only Americans who come to Poland are Polish descendants, and that would **** babcia off something fierce.
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Edited by: michaelmansun  Jun 12, 11, 12:45    #214
FUZZYWICKETS:
Schengen was not created in the interest of the USA.


The USA doesn´t need to worry about Schengen. Schengen is a nutty idea. Hey, I agree with the removal of borders in Europe, certainly, but a common law regarding visas all across Europe? Each country should make its own agreement with other countries outside of the EU, and foreigners can take their chances outside that EU country if they so choose to travel around Europe. Get caught get booted.

At least the UK gives Americans 6 months. That is generous, and it takes about 6 months to tour London alone.

Piast Poland:
America only uses Poland and its very clear they do not give a sh!t. Even the Polonia on here dont.


Thats not true. Well, yeah the Pölonia dont because they feel threatened when you come. See, they go to Poland and brag about their life in the USA, and they are stars. If their entire family can come for a visit, Polonia have to deal with that. And they dont want to deal with that.
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 Jun 12, 11, 12:56    #215
rybnik:
It is America's war) has to beg for something that should be given outright as a matter of course. It's humiliating and insulting. Again, you're spot on regarding my emotional take on this. I can't explain nor do I apologize for it.


It is America´s war only because we assumed responsibility for it, and we were the only ones who could afford to fight it. Poland doesnt send many troops, and I remember some Polish soldiers I met in Poland who said they wanted to go to war, because they get paid, and paid well, whereas in Poland they get hardly anything at all.

Insulting? Yes, I agree with that. Humiliating? Really, according to the law, its Poles who cause the problem. If they would come and return home for a while, everyone could come and visit and do whatever.

Anyway, Poland will get in soon, this year I suspect.
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Edited by: Ironside  Jun 13, 11, 00:05    #216
michaelmansun:
Anyway, Poland will get in soon, this year I suspect.

Whatever, there plenty of Poles who would like to stay there even illegally (idiots). However USA lost they chance to improve their image in the eyes of Polish patriots.

michaelmansun:
Insulting? Yes, I agree with that

At last you are talking, man.
TA
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Edited by: michaelmansun  Jun 13, 11, 01:10    #217
Ironside:
USA lost they chance to improve their image in the eyes of Polish patriots.


Well, again, the USA are all immigrants. It is an immigrant nation. The only natives are sitting on reservations. Congress makes the rules, not the President.

There are around 10 million Americans of Polish descent living in the USA. Chicago bills itself as the largest Polish city outside the Polish capital of Warsaw, and there are approximately 185,000 Polish speakers in the Chicago metropolitan area. Chicago's Polish presence is felt in the large number of Polish-American organizations located here beginning with the Polish Museum of America, the Polish American Association, the Polish National Alliance and the Polish Highlander's Alliance of North America. Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit, Buffalo, Brooklyn, Milwaukee, Baltimore and New Britain, Connecticut also have very large Polish populations. Older Polish Americans are rapidly migrating to the Southeast (Florida), Southwest (Arizona) and the West Coast (California), but also destinations for Polish immigrants from Poland in the 1990s. The only city to have official Dyngus Day celebrations inspired by the popular Polish Custom of ¦migus Dyngus is Buffalo. The major U.S. Polonia organization is the Polish American Congress.

Estimates for the total number of people living in the UK and born in Poland, or of Polish descent vary significantly. The figure has been quoted as 600,000 and well over a million but more recently it is reported that the numbers are decreasing. Other than London, Poles have settled in Manchester, Bolton, Bury and Chorley in Lancashire, and there are also large concentrations in Bradford, Leeds, Coventry and Nottingham, as well as South Yorkshire, South Wales, Rugby, Banbury, Slough and Swindon.

The economic crisis in the UK and the growing economy in Poland reduced the economic incentive for Poles to migrate to the UK. By the last quarter of 2008, approximately half of those that had come to the UK to work had returned home.

Yeah, its cut and paste.

But before the big EU thing, there were millions of Poles with dual citizenship living in the USA. It used to **** me off that Poles would come to the USA, get citizenship pretty easily for such a long time, and when it came time for an education, they just went back and sucked off the Polish education system for free. But an American cannoit do anything in Poland without jumping hoop after hoop and paying fee after fee and providing endless documents, unless Mom and Dad are Poles in Chicago. Then you can just come back and say, "Im a Pole"

The USA simply cannot take all 40 million. At some point we have to cut them off, or we have a situation worse than what we have experienced with Mexico. We do not have the economy nor the welfare system availabe to support more immigrants. Still, we allow them to come every day, and many stay illegally. They work in resturants and clean offices and so on, and never return home. If they have a baby, they are anchored. No country can support such a population explosion indefinitely, and our finances are already strained.

There are about 850,000 Polish Canadians

Stay, visit, do what you can to stay legally, but don´t expect not to penalized if you overstay. Dont expect your countrymen to not be penalized if you decide to abuse the privilege. The EU is no better for American citizens. We overstay and we get booted for 5 years and we get fined on top of that.

So many people in the USA with Polish surnames. And they are our politicians who make the rules. And we have to have rules. Poland doesnt have to have so many rules concerning immigration. As the Poles leave, the foreigners replace them and bring money into the economy.

I was in a park exercising one afternoon in Krakow, near Slowackiego. There was an old woman sitting on a bench there. She said she was 94 years old.

She asked me, "Why are you here?"

I replied that I like it and want to stay.

She stared at me oddly, and replied, "You cannot have anything in Poland. You cannot be anything. All my children and grandchildren went to Chicago and left me here alone. They send a little money, but never visit."

A shame, I said. What do they do there? "Oh, they are doctors and businessmen. Some don´t do much of anything."

Well, I says, Poland is improving. Maybe they will come back when it is better.

She laughed rather loudly, and replied, "Young man, they will never come back here. Poland is improving for the rich but never for the poor. Poland has suffered a lot through the years, but nobody abuses Poles better than other Poles."
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 Jun 13, 11, 01:36    #218
michaelmansun:
But before the big EU thing, there were millions of Poles with dual citizenship living in the USA. It used to **** me off that Poles would come to the USA, get citizenship pretty easily for such a long time, and when it came time for an education, they just went back and sucked off the Polish education system for free.


Yes, they're given usually a very good state education particularly in technology laden classes, come over here and take jobs. We've got to pay for our schooling most of the time. Still Poles create businesses here , pay taxes , raise good kids, don't participate in gang / narcotic activity like Mexicans.. so it more than evens out. Poland gets the shaft though.
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 Jun 13, 11, 02:16    #219
Pinching Pete:
Yes, they're given usually a very good state education particularly in technology laden classes, come over here and take jobs. We've got to pay for our schooling most of the time. Still Poles create businesses here , pay taxes , raise good kids, don't participate in gang / narcotic activity like Mexicans.. so it more than evens out. Poland gets the shaft though.


All you are saying is that they take over, while US citizens who fought in wars, worked in factories, and paid taxes their whole lives get the shaft..and a Polish boss.
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 Jun 13, 11, 09:23    #220
michaelmansun:
Well, again,

You lost me there.
I was talking about the VWP not about Poles.

You are a strange dude, you seems to be against Poles emigrating to USA and then again you want to move to Poland.
Well, whatever floats your boat, I have no time nor will to dwell over your self-contradicting post.
michaelmansun:
All you are saying is that they take over, while US citizens who fought in wars, worked in factories, and paid taxes their whole lives get the shaft..and a Polish boss.

Yes, Poles will take over USA and later all the world. Get real!
Whatever you are taking is not healthy.
alexw68  Jun 13, 11, 09:31    #221
Ironside:
Yes, Poles will take over USA and later all the world.

For God's sake, Iron. Don't you remember what they told us on training camp? First rule of the Plan: don't talk about the Plan.

Sheesh...
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 Jun 13, 11, 09:40    #222
Ironside:
I have no time nor will to dwell over your self-contradicting post.


What you wish to say is that you do not have the time to study what someone has posted. You see, it is a bit of a curse to be born in the USA without parents of another nationality. Why? Because we cannot go anywhere to take advantage of dual nationality.

I am not against Poles migrating to the USA. I can live in Poland if and when I want because I am married to a Pole and have been since 1997.

What I am saying is the USA should consider its own citizens first, just as Poland does, or at least did. A foreign citizen cannot take a job in Poland if Poland has a citizen who is qualified for that position. That was the old law. Now I dont know and dont care really.

But the USA has this really bad system of just bringing in folks with qualifications and giving them residency and not preparing its own citizens. So you have USA citizens working for foreign bosses, bosses who have no vested interest in the United States.

Im not a big fan of the USA. Honestly, I try to stay out of the USA as much as possible.
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 Jun 13, 11, 09:42    #223
Ironside:
You are a strange dude, you seems to be against Poles emigrating to USA and then again you want to move to Poland.


Yeah Old Ironballs does have point here Mike.
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 Jun 13, 11, 09:54    #224
michaelmansun:
But the USA has this really bad system of just bringing in folks with qualifications and giving them residency and not preparing its own citizens. So you have USA citizens working for foreign bosses, bosses who have no vested interest in the United States.

OK! I understand now.
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 Jun 13, 11, 13:17    #225
michaelmansun wrote:

The counties which made the list which surprise me are; The Czech Republic, Slovakia, Latvia, and Slovenia. If anyone was going to come and overstay, it would be among these.

why.

Ironside wrote:

Whatever, there plenty of Poles who would like to stay there even illegally (idiots).

nothing to say. just highlighting this.

michaelmansun wrote:

It used to **** me off that Poles would come to the USA, get citizenship pretty easily for such a long time, and when it came time for an education, they just went back and sucked off the Polish education system for free.

that's socialism for ya'.
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 Jun 16, 11, 02:03    #226
michaelmansun:
I hope they are admitted right soon. It can only benefit the USA to make and keep as many friends in Europe as possible.

Therein lies the rub. Washington knows very well that Poland is in the bag. It would take an insult of cataclysmic proportions for Poland to turn its back on the US. My feeling is that the American government takes Poland for granted.
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 Jun 16, 11, 07:46    #227
rybnik:
My feeling is that the American government takes Poland for granted.


My feeling is that US government takes every country for granted or for a sucker.
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 Jul 16, 11, 18:52    #228
FUZZYWICKETS:
nothing to say. just highlighting this.

Department of State estimates that there is about 40 to 60 thousands illegal Irish in the U.S.!
Nothing to say, just to highlight that:
-population of Poland 38 millions
-population of Ireland 4,6 millions
As yet there no restriction towards Ireland citizens.
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 Jul 17, 11, 15:36    #229
Ironside wrote:

Department of State estimates that there is about 40 to 60 thousands illegal Irish in the U.S.!

where did you read this?

for the longest time, you among others on this forum have been bringing up the fact that the USA refuses to publish any real numbers regarding the number of illegal poles in the USA......yet they will publish how many illegal irish there are in the USA?

if you read about Irish......were there numbers for other countries as well? nothing for Poland??


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