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Poles and American Poles. What do you think about those two groups and their interactions.


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jonniThreads: 26
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 Feb 22, 11, 20:47    #61
ender:
parasite and nomad

Not that there's any shortage of either of those among the Polish community...

delphiandomineThreads: 42
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 Feb 22, 11, 20:49    #62
ender:
Some people will not become Polish ever they will always be who they are parasite and nomad delphian is best example.


It would be a little tricky to become Polish, seeing as I have no Polish blood!
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 Feb 22, 11, 21:05    #63
delphiandomine
I am not sure how to say it so I would quote you:
bla bla, bla bla bla bla, bla bla
Harry is more ineresting
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 Feb 23, 11, 02:10    #64
delphiandomine:
American Polacks

Polish Americans not Polacks, that's a slur for all Poles u dummy.
delphiandomine:
It's nothing to do with jealousy (after all, real Poles are able to work anywhere in the EU and earn just as much money, if not more)

HAHA what a nimrod. EU since when? a few years, what about before it was just as hard if not harder getting to western European countries than the U.S, and Poles have been coming here in large numbers since the 1800s. Son pay is higher in the U.S than almost all EU nations, even if someone does make more how far does his money go? EVERYTHING (food, gasoline, housing) costs more in Europe, sometimes much more, so yes it is jealously.
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Edited by: skysoulmate  Feb 23, 11, 03:05    #65
delphiandomine:
Skysoulmate on the other hand - well, he gets upset with my use of Polack and I get upset with his use of Communist and we're equal ;)


The communist ideology is the most vile and disgusting ideology on earth, many more people died due to communism than its sister ideology - the nazism. Both ideologies are as despicable as it gets and because of those ideologies millions of people were murdered, starved to death and were tortured to death. Anyone who claims the ideology was misunderstood or not executed properly, that the revolution wasn't run by the right people, etc. is a lunatic. An ideology that uses the term dictatorship, be it it by the proletariat or not, as a transitional process is a lunatic ideology.

The term Polack IS a slur and you know it. If you want to speak Polish than by all means do so, in that case the word is Polak, without the letter "C". However in English the proper term IS Pole or an American Pole, British Pole, etc. Polonia, the Polish diaspora, etc. are some other terms that are appropriate. Polack isn't one of them and you are well aware of that.
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 Feb 23, 11, 06:11    #66
puella:
I'm not sure is it worth to involved in this pointless and stupid discussion... My suggestion to skysoulmate and other peeople of American Polonia who feel hurt by comments of delphie is just to ignore him.

Most people ignore delphi or get angry with him. Anyway, he has a need to draw attention to himself by being disrespectful.

f stop:
I don't give a **** about political agenda of Chicago Polonia, and I care just as much about the agenda of beret brigade in Poland. Polish people are not divided by where whey live, but who they are: close-minded scared little people on one end of the spectrum, and fearless adventurers on the other. Whether you actually get an opportunity to travel has very little to do with it. How you deal with the changing world, and how you approach the unknown, does.

well, maybe you should give a f**k and care more. Using f words make you a typical close-minded scared little person.

skysoulmate:
distrust between the American Poles and the British Poles.

never came across one until this forum. :)

delphiandomine:
given that many of the American Polacks are descended from poor Eastern peasants, it would seem unlikely that their political alliances have changed very much.

That was the case in the last century and the kids of peasants are 3rd, 4th generation Americans. The immigrants of late 70's and throught the 80's were highly educated. A huge loss for Poland.

delphiandomine:
Plenty of them certainly whined when Komorowski got elected. Keep the **** out of Polish elections unless you live here, is my motto.

In all fairness, I agree with this statement.

skysoulmate:
First of all, if you want to participate in a debate then show respect. You know very well that the term American Polack is derogatory, it's called American Pole in English or Polak in Polish. There's nothing in-between. If you don't knock it off I'll start calling you a Russian Nigger wannabe or whatever name I can find that's derogatory.

Nice try sky but you can not reason with russki born to immigrants in the west. I bet his life was much more miserable than the life of a kid born in America. He was kicked around plenty, hence the anger and a need for derogatory comments. He treats PF as his free therapy to vent his anger.

Ironside:
I wouldn't say that Poles don't like Poles in America, they just don't understand each other!

Exactly, and that's why they don't like each other. Of course, i don't mean each and everyone but most Polonuses tend to feel superior immediately after landing at O'Hare, not to mention the ones born here. Then they start to treat their little cousins in Poland like they don't know what's good for them (elections). That's what I see and the media doesn't help either.

delphiandomine:
I think that part of the problem is simply ignorance - if they're told all sorts of nonsense by their family (for instance : grandmother insisting that Busha/Busia is the right word) and their peers, what hope have they got?

Why don't you apply this statement to yourself. What kind of stories your бабушка (babooshka) told you? lol.
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 Feb 23, 11, 09:08    #67
Eurola:
never came across one until this forum. :)


Agree!
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 Feb 23, 11, 09:38    #68
PennBoy:
Son pay is higher in the U.S than almost all EU nations, even if someone does make more how far does his money go? EVERYTHING (food, gasoline, housing) costs more in Europe, sometimes much more, so yes it is jealously.

Yes, but some people didn't want to sell Poland out: some people stayed here (or even came here) knowing full well that they would make more money outside Poland. Some people put Poland before their personal interests, other people swear to attack Poland. And of course some people didn't need to worry about what would happen when their actions to assist the commie regime were found out about.

By the way: do you think you could try to make a post which does not contain personal insults?
k ...  Feb 23, 11, 10:34    #69
skysoulmate:
many more people died due


and how many people died due to democratic socialism (for example in Sweden)?
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 Feb 23, 11, 11:14    #70
k ...:
and how many people died due to democratic socialism (for example in Sweden)?


Sweden is not a socialistic country, it's a "blandekonomi" or a mixed economy. The majority of businesses are in private hands. The government owned portion is too large in my view however to use Sweden as a socialistic example is simply incorrect.

Why are you hiding in the non-member abyss?
k ...  Feb 23, 11, 12:28    #71
skysoulmate:

Sweden is not a socialistic country, it's a "blandekonomi" or a mixed economy. The majority of businesses are in private hands. The government owned portion is too large in my view however to use Sweden as a socialistic example is simply incorrect.


I meant Social Democracy... oops ;)
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Edited by: skysoulmate  Feb 23, 11, 12:31    #72
k ...:
I meant Social Democracy... oops ;)


I knew what you meant and it's ok. However the comparison is very flawed.


Again, why don't you register?
k ...  Feb 23, 11, 12:36    #73
skysoulmate:

I knew what you meant and it's ok. However the comparison is very flawed.


Really?
I know you was raised In Sweden and it seems that you are an avid supporter of the economic liberalism (am I wrong?) so I'd be really intrested in your point of view. Why's that?
k ...  Feb 23, 11, 12:37    #74
skysoulmate:
Again, why don't you register?


because I don't want to. Do I have to? :)
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Edited by: skysoulmate  Feb 23, 11, 12:47    #75
k ...:
because I don't want to. Do I have to? :)


Not at all, just curious, that's all.


k ...:
Really?
I know you was raised In Sweden and it seems that you are an avid supporter of the economic liberalism (am I wrong?) so I'd be really intrested in your point of view. Why's that?


I'm a fiscally conservative libertarian. Depending on which side of the pond you live on, the word "liberal" might mean somewhat different and even opposite things. Government should be very limited and health care certainly shouldn't be part of our government's responsibilities with the exception of tracking and eliminating the abuse. However, it's too late for me for yet another discussion. (3am now) Until next time. Good night.
k ...  Feb 23, 11, 13:02    #76
skysoulmate:
Good night.


Ok. Good night then :)
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 Feb 14, 12, 16:25    #77
David_18:
So what? does it mean that the americans suddenly love each other?


Suddenly no but yes American are much more tolerant of one another than i the past. The 1991 cencus are you kidding... 20 years is a long time.


David_18:
USA is the most segregated country in the world


Are you nuts. America is a melting pot. We are far from perfect and have learned from our mistakes fairly quickly being as young a country as we are. Seems like you are referring to the KKK, which has almost died by the wayside. You also forget that some of this "hate" that you describe was brought here from other countries as well. Almost all Latins hate Mexicans and back and forth.
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 Feb 14, 12, 16:59    #78
delphiandomine:
Sadly, many of them are. You just need to read the nonsense posted on here by a few of them to see that - they freely throw racist insults around, they talk about how they're "100% Polish" despite not knowing the history - heck, I have a keen interest in Polish history and yet I don't know half of it.

What the whole point is that they often don't know who their ancestors are - and are often completely refusing to admit that they could be anything other than Polish.


Well I think the point of this forum is to find out where and who we came from. Although admittedly this is not what goes on here.





delphiandomine:
And yes, they don't like American Polacks. It's nothing to do with jealousy (after all, real Poles are able to work anywhere in the EU and earn just as much money, if not more) - but everything to do with the way that the Polacks are trying to ram what is "Polishness" down their throats. Can you blame them, when the Polonia media openly spreads nonsense about the Government, the President and so on?

I don't think it's even dislike, just mild irritation that they bang on about being Polish, yet can't speak Polish and don't do anything to help Poland.


Personelly I was on a quest to find out where I came from. I did. I am not sure how to take some of the posts here as most of the posters are not Polish but speak freely about what Poles feel. My relatives in Poland seem to be quite receptive of my queries and have on several occasions asked me to visit.
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 Feb 15, 12, 13:11    #79
markskibniewski:
most of the posters are not Polish but speak freely about what Poles feel.

Remember Poland isn't just an ethnic homeland - it's a large European country which attracts immigrants from elsewhere in Europe. People who have settled here and are qualified and entitled to say how people feel.
markskibniewski:
My relatives in Poland seem to be quite receptive of my queries and have on several occasions asked me to visit.

You should. It is a land of surprises!
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 Feb 15, 12, 14:20    #80
PennBoy:
EVERYTHING (food, gasoline, housing) costs more in Europe, sometimes much more, so yes it is jealously.

WRONG!Wait till you get a ride in an ambulance and/or spend a few days in a hospital.But I agree that MOST of the stuff is cheaper in the US.
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 Feb 15, 12, 18:04    #81
JonnyM:
Remember Poland isn't just an ethnic homeland - it's a large European country which attracts immigrants from elsewhere in Europe. People who have settled here and are qualified and entitled to say how people feel.


I don't disagree with you JM ..it just seems that some of the posters are just depressed or manic when it comes to Poles who live in the Usa. I am American proud of it but I am proud also of where I came from. I am not up on Polish politics as I don't live there and personelly don't want to stick my nose in anyone elses buisness. I will visit Poland one day.


I will tell you an interesting story about my father'scousin who came to America and stayed with him in my grandfather's house for a short time. This occurred I believe in the early 60's. He worked with my father for just over six months, saved every penny he earned and bought a car. A Cadillac. It wasn't brand new but was an expensive nice looking vehicle. He shipped it back to Poland. It was impounded. The government official said he must have stolen it because there was no way he could earn that kind of money in the Usa. I am curious if this was a common?
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 Feb 15, 12, 18:10    #82
The officials in those days (and sadly often since) sometimes saw their job as saying ''no'' in order to come to a discreet arrangement for saying ''yes''. Their rationale would be that anyone who could afford to ship a luxury car back should be good for a few hundred.


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