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Poles and Americans, what do you think, are we friends or enemies?


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pgtxThreads: 49
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Joined: Feb 14, 09  Gold Member MEMBER ♀ 		Edited by: pgtx  Sep 23, 10, 05:23    #121
tygrys:
They kiss up to America so they can come here illegally, don't obey our laws then complain they can't get a green card or a visa.

that was 10 years ago...
George8600Threads: 20
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Joined: Feb 19, 09 ♂ 		 Sep 23, 10, 06:56    #122
On the philosophical/ religious context, Kochanowski finds himself in a period where the stark traditions of religion and it's vast secularism with philosophy are diminishing. Not quite in terms of the soon to come Enlightenment or Scientific Revolution, however in terms of the Renaissance reaching back into antiquity to enthrall the arts and culture from a prior Medieval period that was quite ignorant of these ideals to the masses. That isn't to say that it was worthless. It was medieval philosophers and their platonic influences along with antiquity influences that gave head to the religious contexts and philosophy that influenced the Renaissance. The divinity in particular as seen in this Lament is very much the child perspective of St. Augustine and somewhat of Alebard whom from strong tradition of religion infused Platonic and Aristotelean thought along with much other antiquity. We see in the poem divinity being pantheistic or metaphysic with nature. However in this Lament it is more in perspective of the natural references and metaphors which are still of great importance to renaissance thinking. "Looms like a cliff above some wild and rough Shore"/"Who never came to full bloom in the light Before her eyes closed underneath your night?" are just some examples. Yet it is important to note this nature for not only does it present the nature of divinity (as opposed to Kochanowski simply referencing Hell or Satan) it also greatly liberates divinity. We see Kochanowski give possibilities of how he could have changed his past to prevent such a death and the sadness brought upon him, yet still maintains "natural sin" and the progression of his daughter to a higher-life. All these key pioneering from Augustine and his abolishing of pre-destiny and precise fate which Kochanowski could have easily been swarmed into simply saying 'it was meant to be this way', he actually questions reality and questions the ultimate end his most loved encountered.

To address literary influences, Kochanowski's education was in Italy and focuses extremely on the classics and learning of Greco-Roman philosophy and literature. He mastered Latin and Greek which allowed him to read works by many poets of the antiquity such as Homer, Theocritus, Virgil, Pindar and his most favorite Horace. It is little known but slight evidence suggests that Kochanowski's first poems ever written were in Greco-Latin. His first practices forms which he used predominately as a poet thereafter were of Plutarh's sonnets and their form. It thus can be said, that Kochanowski's main literary influences are that of the antiquity.
IronsideThreads: 59
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Sep 23, 10, 15:13    #123
tygrys:
Poland is only loyal when they get paid.

loyal to whom ? WTF? Do you know what are you talking about ?
**** you and your laws !

Chicago Pollock:
If Poland was opposed to communism after the German occupation they would have done the same thing in 1946 like they did in 1922. The fact is, the Polish people embraced communism in the 1940's. The Poles lived under Polish communism not Russian communism.

What?are you serious?You know that the WTC was an inside job ! You did it yourself and then blame somebody else!

eh!
guesswhoThreads: 23
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Joined: Mar 17, 10 ♀ 		 Sep 23, 10, 16:33    #124
Ironside:
You know that the WTC was an inside job !


Jeez, no one knows that. It's just another conspiracy theory. Like always some people choose this some people choose that.
tygrysThreads: 2
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Joined: Dec 28, 07 ♂ 		 Sep 23, 10, 16:40    #125
guesswho:
It's just another conspiracy theory


Just like the Russians crashed the Polish airplane?

How come Ironsides isnt hollering about that??

Its easier for him to bash America,,we all know his agenda!
guesswhoThreads: 23
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Joined: Mar 17, 10 ♀ 		Edited by: guesswho  Sep 23, 10, 16:44    #126
tygrys:
How come Ironsides isnt hollering about that??


Because Soviets were Poland's "best friends" maybe ? lol
Soviets did so much for Poland and no one seems to remember it except for the "liberation" of Poland. How about the invasion of Poland, how about killing Polish officers in Katyn etc...
Not to mention what the Soviets did to Poland's neighbor next door in 1933, starving to death between 7-11 millions of Ukrainian people. How come no one is talking about that?

http://www.ukemonde.com/news/rferl.html


tygrys:
Its easier for him to bash America,,we all know his agenda!


Yep, it seems like it's his favorite waste of time :-)
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Joined: May 1, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: ShortHairThug  Sep 23, 10, 19:42    #127
You Yanks have a long way to go, a lot to learn about sarcasm, you’re just clumsy at it, hopeless really.. At the end of the day your statements come across as primitive, the reasoning; well let’s just say as that of the simpleton. No wonder so many think of you as Idiots. With those comments you’re just reinforcing those stereotypes, not really helping yourself in the long run. Simply put digging your own grave. If you catch my drift.
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Joined: Mar 17, 10 ♀ 		Edited by: guesswho  Sep 23, 10, 20:05    #128
ShortHairThug:
You Yanks have a long way to go, a lot to learn about sarcasm, you’re just clumsy at it, hopeless really.. At the end of the day your statements come across as primitive, the reasoning; well let’s just say as that of the simpleton. No wonder so many think of you as Idiots. With those comments you’re just reinforcing those stereotypes, not really helping yourself in the long run. Simply put digging your own grave[i][/i]. If you catch my drift.


Don't even start with stereotypes :-) I could make a long list vice versa too. What do you think, what's your reputation around the world? I'm not going to even start with it. No need to insult the entire Polish nation in return just because of some wanna be "intellectual" is trying to insult ours. Open your eyes and see what we've (us stupid Americans) achieved in just a little bit over 200 years, and compare it with your achievements ...so much about "simply digging your own grave" ............Think next time before you say something !
Chicago PollockThreads: 10
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Joined: Apr 10, 10 ♂ 		 Sep 24, 10, 03:29    #129
Ironside:
What?are you serious?You know that the WTC was an inside job ! You did it yourself and then blame somebody else!


Ironside, just look at the thread "What was better in Poland under communism?" The proof is in the pudding.

Yes, WTC was an inside job. Of course. How else could those planes slip through our air defense?
Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34
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Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: Mr Grunwald  Sep 24, 10, 03:49    #130
Chicago Pollock:
How else could those planes slip through our air defense?

It wasn't exactly an military plane with Russian/Soviet markings or something ;p
Or Japanese painted "KAMIKAZE" on their sides

Most Americans don't even know where Poland is so I would neutral as they don't see Poland as an enemy either I guess... NATO? Anyone?
tygrysThreads: 2
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Joined: Dec 28, 07 ♂ 		 Sep 24, 10, 05:44    #131
Plastic Pole52:
Polish intelligence agents rescued CIA agents in Iraq in 1990 before "Desert Storm".
Poland supported you in Iraq in 2003(at the great cost).Very few countries did.
Poland supports you in Afganistan (cost Polish people $1 bilion/year)
Poland bought F 16 ($6.5bilion just for the planes).Where is the the offset?

Poland got paid lots of money for this, Polish soldiers would do anything to leave Poland, nobody forced them. besides the US military does not represent the Americans. We don't support the war but are forced to pay for it with our tax money, we want our troops back but the military is another form of a system America has no say so, which some people think it's all Americans that want this. We Americans don't want this but have no choice
Plastic Pole52:
Poland allowed you to set up missile defence base (this s h i t is to defend US not Poland).

And that's the Polish side of the story. Didn't know America borders Poland and needs a defensive system way over the pond. When we denied the missile defense system, the Poles were all mad that "Americans not putting misile no more". Now you got it, and now they complain they did. You can never satisfy a Pole.
guesswhoThreads: 23
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Joined: Mar 17, 10 ♀ 		 Sep 24, 10, 19:54    #132
tygrys:
When we denied the missile defense system, the Poles were all mad that "Americans not putting misile no more". Now you got it, and now they complain they did. You can never satisfy a Pole.


Yep, no matter what we do, it will never be good enough and then they wonder why we get this "I don't give a damn attitude".
convexThreads: 46
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Joined: Nov 25, 09  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Sep 24, 10, 20:19    #133
Plastic Pole52:
Poland bought F 16 ($6.5bilion just for the planes).Where is the the offset?

For one, Poland now has F16s. Second, there were offsets, that's one of the main reasons that LM won the contract. Marshall Center has a good writeup on it.
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Joined: Sep 18, 10 ♂ 		 Sep 24, 10, 22:43    #134
Interesting read Convex.Still if that was up to me PAF would be flying Grippens.And hey,we need to add CIA "black site" in Kiejkuty to the list of favors regardless of what corrupted crooks (Kwaśniewski,Miller etc)say.
convexThreads: 46
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Joined: Nov 25, 09  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Sep 24, 10, 22:52    #135
Plastic Pole52:
Interesting read Convex.Still if that was up to me PAF would be flying Grippens.And hey,we need to add CIA "black site" in Kiejkuty to the list of favors regardless of what corrupted crooks (Kwaśniewski,Miller etc)say.

Marshall Center has some excellent writeups, lots of meat, little potatoes.

The F16s are an excellent choice considering Polish security and economic needs. While I like the Grippen, I'm not sure it was the correct choice for the PAF. Considering training and parts availability, the F16 wins out every time. Poland has no AWACS or tankers, so it will be dependent on partners for a good time to come in order to put up a decent fight in the air. Might as well go with what your biggest partner is flying :)

Poland is making those decisions in the interest of Poland, not the US. Iraq and Afghanistan are about power projection and training, which is something that is important to Poland.
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convex:
Poland is making those decisions in the interest of Poland, not the US. Iraq and Afghanistan are about power projection and training, which is something that is important to Poland.

Absolutely right. No one is doing here favors to anyone.
BzibziohThreads: 6
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tygrys:
Poland got paid lots of money for this,

how much?
tygrys:
Polish soldiers would do anything to leave Poland,

No, I'm pretty sure they'd be more happy to stay in Poland and go home for supper every night to their wives and kids.
tygrys:
besides the US military does not represent the Americans.

Now I'm curious: WHO do they represent then?
Chicago PollockThreads: 10
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Joined: Apr 10, 10 ♂ 		 Sep 25, 10, 06:11    #138
Bzibzioh:
Now I'm curious: WHO do they represent then?


Globalists.
jasinskiThreads: 15
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Joined: Nov 19, 09 ♂ 		 Sep 25, 10, 06:24    #139
no matter what the american governments stance on poland, i will always love poland and consider poles my brothers and sisters.
District12aThreads: 3
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obviously friends
beckskiThreads: 19
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Poles and Americans, what do you think, are we friends or enemies?

By viewing some of the negative posts I see at times on the forum, it may be a difficult question to answer.

A sincere thanks PF, for putting up with me FIVE terrific years, muah!

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