Polish-American mutilation of the Polish language

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Edited by: PennBoy Jul 23, 11, 18:54 #61

ok, so let me get this straight. Assimilation only is important if you are not Polish. Having a large ethnic community is only ok if they are white?
Speaking almost no English in America is ok if you are Polish or white but those damn Mexicans better learn English.

seriously

Assimilation should ONLY be a choice. You can't force anyone to do anything. Everyone should maintain a large ethnic community but don't take over someone elses build your own this country is huge there's plenty of space for everyone. No one said Mexicans have to learn English, nationalistic white Americans say that not Poles. There are whole sections of Southern California where English is hardly ever spoken I have no problem with that, that's their spot. People who don't want other nationalities to maintain their communities and keep speaking their language are intimidated by it and feel threatened.

rybnikThreads: 29 Posts: 1,232 Joined: Jan 16, 11 ♂	Jul 23, 11, 19:02 #62
My point is that Poles have done this all by themselves. agreed! when i was a boy my babcia was always saying stuff like: chocmy do storu; stalismy na kornerze; jehalismy karem/autem.

jyjkhfa	Jul 23, 11, 19:12 #63
autem Actually auto is used in Polish.

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Edited by: porzeczka Jul 23, 11, 19:18 #64

I remember listening to music it was mostly rhyming of this pre war Warsaw artist. He was singing in the local dialect which I believe went extinct after the war with Warsaw's population dead or misplaced.

This might be about Lwów :) I think the most popular pre war song from there is "Tylko we Lwowie".

edit: I will try to search some information about this dialect from Warsaw.

sklep - cellar (immigrants friom wielkopolska)

Doesn't "sklep" mean "cellar" in Czech language?

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Jul 23, 11, 19:21 #65
Ponglish..

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Edited by: pip Jul 23, 11, 19:52 #66

Assimilation should ONLY be a choice. You can't force anyone to do anything. Everyone should maintain a large ethnic community but don't take over someone elses build your own this country is huge there's plenty of space for everyone. No one said Mexicans have to learn English, nationalistic white Americans say that not Poles. There are whole sections of Southern California where English is hardly ever spoken I have no problem with that, that's their spot. People who don't want other nationalities to maintain their communities and keep speaking their language are intimidated by it and feel threatened.

ok- so you are a minority because the rest of U.S thinks otherwise.
It is Canada that is the cultural mosaic where you are encouraged to keep your cultural identity, U.S. is the melting pot.

and Joanna Krupas Polish is disgusting.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,443 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Jul 23, 11, 20:09 #67
you are a minority because the rest of U.S thinks otherwise. I could care less what rest of America thinks, and who said rest of America shares your view? Guesswho is this you again switching usernames it sure sounds like you.

pipThreads: 11 Posts: 1,293 Joined: Jul 4, 11 ♀	Jul 24, 11, 12:41 #68
I could care less what rest of America thinks, and who said rest of America shares your view? Guesswho is this you again switching usernames it sure sounds like you. no, different person. my point is the majority of america thinks that if you immigrate to u.s. then you must assimilate. I am not American- proud to be from a country where multiculturalism is accepted.

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Jul 24, 11, 17:43 #69

my point is the majority of america thinks that if you immigrate to u.s. then you must assimilate.

I live in the Orange County Southern Californian part of America and no one here forces assimilation on anyone, nor does a 'majority' think all people should assimilate. We have "Little Saigon", "Little Baghdad", "Little Samoa", etc. here and no one complains. We don't have any prominent Polish neighborhoods around here, but there is a Russan one in Los Alamitos near the horsetrack. I daresay this part of America is as multi-cultural as anywhere on Earth and it works out fine. Don't forget that the USA has no official language. There may be some advocates of assimilation elsewhere in America but I doubt they are a majority. If they were a majority, that cared so much about assimilation, don't you think Engish would be our official tongue by now?

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Jul 24, 11, 18:06 #70

I live in the Orange County Southern Californian part of America and no one here forces assimilation on anyone, nor does a 'majority' think all people should assimilate. We have "Little Saigon", "Little Baghdad", "Little Samoa", etc. here and no one complains. We don't have any prominent Polish neighborhoods around here, but there is a Russan one in Los Alamitos near the horsetrack. I daresay this part of America is as multi-cultural as anywhere on Earth and it works out fine. Don't forget that the USA has no official language.

True as I've stated above it's everyone's right to maintain their identity and have their own neighborhoods. If someone wants to live among his people and speak a different language it's their choice. And yes America has no official language this isn't England so it can't be. It's rather whichever language the people speak, now it happens to be English might be Spanish some day.

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Jul 24, 11, 18:13 #71

Rather disgraceful, if you ask me.

my uncle told me the same thing..

* puts head down in shame*

I only wish my parents would have sent me to some type of school that taught this.

I dont know their reasons.. I guess I never will both are gone and all thats left
are the few words my father said to me.

* Im gonna kick your dupa if you dont clean your room!! LOL

ahh well. if I ever get to come there I hope my cousins wont laugh to much :)

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Edited by: Polonius3 Jul 24, 11, 18:19 #72

I don't know if this is national legend or what, but I heard years ago that at one time it wasn't decided whether the official language of the US should be English or German. The Pennsylvania faction was very influential back then and was pushing German.
rybnik
I only herard it as a feminine kara. Incidentally, the word bar (pub) in Michigan was also feminine: bara. There were regional differences. In Michigan a stodoła or obora was a barna, but in Wisconsin it was palatalised - barnia, hence w barnie ~ w barni. And in the PA coalfields there was a saying: skifowało się (there's been a cave-in).

boletusThreads: 47 Posts: 1,096 Joined: Apr 13, 11 ♂	Jul 24, 11, 18:50 #73
I don't know if this is national legend or what The Muhlenberg legend, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhlenberg_legend But this is interesting: The United States has no statutory official language; English has been used as on a de facto basis, owing to its status as the country's predominant language. At times various states have passed their own official language laws.

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Jul 24, 11, 19:12 #74

in response to the OP, why single out Polish-Americans? Polish people living in Poland mutilate the language plenty, in their own country. I'm not talking about bad grammar either, I'm talking about words that are so silly it makes your cheeks rosey with embarrassment.

oh, i almost forgot....delph has a never ending vendetta with Pol-Ams.

ok, as you were. but honestly man, for what it's worth, Poles in Poland are pretty damn bad as well and the fact that it is happening IN poland might make it even worse.

jyjkhfa	Jul 24, 11, 20:35 #75
I'm talking about words that are so silly it makes your cheeks rosey with embarrassment. What are those words?

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