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PennBoyThreads: 157
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Joined: Dec 7, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:12    #91
Antek_Stalich:
I have my own eyes and mind, Penny.

Doesn't look like a good one. You jump to conclusions to favor with one group of people not knowing others.
Seanus:
Americans have always voiced their thoughts more openly than Poles. Poles tend to save it for garden parties or piwiarnias ;) Also worth bearing in mind is the intrusive power of the Jewish lobby, esp in NYC.

Americans (not just Polish ) but Irish, German, Italian, yes even African-Americans in New York HATE Jews. OF how they own everything, of how they act like they're poor but get welfare or cheap housing over everybody else. New Yorkers are know for having a big mouth ask one they'll tell you to your face what they think of them. People that never been to the States are gonna try and single out Poles in America.
legendThreads: 9
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Joined: Apr 23, 11 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:12    #92
One more thing...

MediaWatch:
Now why would he take things so personally on that Russia-Poland topic if he was NOT of Russian ancestry?? People usually fight tooth and nail for their ancestry.


Mediawatch in a lot of cases I defend Palestinians, Muslims, Blacks, even Jews (some of you might think Im anti-semite but I defend the Jewish people alot especially to some comments I see on other forums where people would want them to burn sadly).
I am not Jewish or Muslim but I still defend them on occasion.

Remember dont accuse the whole group of a race. There are good and bad people everywhere.
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Joined: Aug 30, 08 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:13    #93
delphiandomine:
Shall we carry on with the examples of racism by Polish-Americans on PF?

This time, we can see MediaWatch as a prime example -


MediaWatch: At least they're better then those Rancid Retard Russkie newspapers. The Retard Russkie newspapers don't even exist anymore because they were so awful XD


The land of your ancestors is at the top of the list of being a murderous blood thirsty country. Lets talk about the murderous sickos of your Russia. Shall we?


You're taking those comments of mine out of context.

If person A hits B in the face and person B retaliates by hitting person A back in the face, it would be unfair to take the part of the videotape showing only person B retaliating and claiming that B started the fight. You are pretty much doing that with my words.

Do you deny saying that people of Polish ancestry are subhumans?

As for the comments about Russia, I was just giving you a taste of your own medicine and showing how an undercover Russian like you lives in a glass house with all your desperate fault finding with Poland.
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Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended] 		Edited by: delphiandomine  Jun 15, 11, 22:13    #94
The amusing thing about this thread is that not one poster quoted by me has actually apologised for their remarks.

Now, let's move on another poster - rychlik. Again, Polish-American.

Jews are always a problem for Poland. I hope the Polish government stands their ground and does not give in. Polish people are finally rebuilding, renovating their cities, only to have foreign Jews come in and try and steal it away. Does anyone think the EU laws are anti-Polish?

And now, a Polish-Canadian (so close enough, eh?)

legend:
Lol and believe me its not because whites are racist. There were some damn good reasons to kick them out. And this is just Europe. Think of the rest of the world.


And now, our old friend, PennBoy -

Of course all men in my family are 190cm and taller, pretty well built too. Little scrawny Jew boys are jealous.


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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:15    #95
And therein lies the mistake. It's not so much racism for the sake of it, it's more that the known members of that group cause problems and are thus disliked for that. I dislike the pigs in the IDF but it doesn't mean that I dislike all Jews, far from it. We should be careful before branding sb as a racist.
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Joined: Dec 7, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:19    #96
Seanus:
And therein lies the mistake. It's not so much racism for the sake of it, it's more that the known members of that group cause problems and are thus disliked for that.

Jews in NY are despised for the same business tactics and sceams as they were in pre war Poland.
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Joined: May 26, 08  Pictures: 3 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:19    #97
The thing that annoys me is references to the dirt poor scum who left Poland mainly from the east.
This is wrong from a good old human decency knee jerk response, its also factually wrong. That trip to the new world didnt come cheap the poorest of the poor didnt go they died in Poland (Whoever was occupying it).
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:21    #98
I dislike the way they earn huge sums for precious little. I'd describe it as muckraking and playing on sensitivities. Defamation only scratched the surface of the tactics those heinous Zionists employ. Me? I like many rabbis. They come across very well as fair and noble. They are far more Jewish than those Zionists who likely don't even know the Talmud or Torah.
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Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:22    #99
PennBoy:
Jews in NY are despised for the same business tactics and sceams as they were in pre war Poland.

Oh dear. Very unworthy.
legendThreads: 9
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Joined: Apr 23, 11 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:23    #100
Seanus:
And therein lies the mistake. It's not so much racism for the sake of it, it's more that the known members of that group cause problems and are thus disliked for that. I dislike the pigs in the IDF but it doesn't mean that I dislike all Jews, far from it. We should be careful before branding sb as a racist.


Exactly. I also dont like groups like IDF or ADL but there is millions of good Jews.

@delphia

Yes I make comments sometimes which are extreme to some.

I once heard somewhere
"Just because a person makes one or two racist comments does not mean they are racist"

When I say Jews I never mean the whole group.

Again you attack people on this forums by the details and their messages.
So how Polish are you tell me? I hate this question but its only fair.
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:24    #101
For swizzling? They wouldn't outwit us Scots, we are the masters of the squeeze in stingy business :) I ask people here. Is PennBoy racist or realistic? I favour the latter.
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Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended] 		Edited by: delphiandomine  Jun 15, 11, 22:24    #102
PennBoy:
Jews in NY are despised for the same business tactics and sceams as they were in pre war Poland.


Welcome to Poland, baby!

Poles can hardly throw stones at Jews for "business tactics" and 'scams'. Heck, Poles and Brits get on fine when it comes to this sort of thing :)

Just about to take one Polish company to court for not honouring a contract, actually.
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:25    #103
MediaWatch:
I can't believe you would agree with this.

Who know who is he? The fact that he speak polish doesn't really prove anything. He claims to be this or that (a scientist in his 50s) - I would say his way of speaking polish is nothing one would expect from such a person. Either he is some friend of deph or he is an idiot.
Do not forget that Poles are not monolith either.
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Joined: Dec 7, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:32    #104
Ironside:
Who know who is he? The fact that he speak polish doesn't really prove anything. He claims to be this or that (a scientist in his 50s) - I would say his way of speaking polish is nothing one would expect from such a person. Either he is some friend of deph or he is an idiot.

HAHA good one Iron
Seanus:
For swizzling? They wouldn't outwit us Scots, we are the masters of the squeeze in stingy business :) I ask people here. Is PennBoy racist or realistic? I favour the latter.

Thanx Seanus. I get along with everyone. I dated a Jewish girl in Penn State, so I obviously don't have them all. Just the ones who scam the system and are favored over everyone else while pretending to be poor.
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:39    #105
Precisely, selective targets. True racists hate that group for the sake of it. There was a documentary on Polish hooligans by Ross Kemp and it showed blanket racists. They hate ANY blacks or ANY Jews. That is pure idiocy.
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Joined: May 6, 11 ♂ 		Edited by: Antek_Stalich  Jun 15, 11, 22:41    #106
MediaWatch:
If you like Delphiadomine and Harry and what they say about Poland, then Poland is a horrible place to live in with mostly so called Polish racists, backward peasants and subhumans running around there.

Delphi and Harry ironically comment what they can read on PF. Taken into the account the level of idiocy and lunacy found on PF, I have no other option than side with them.

I apply the term "polaczek" to any Pole or Polish emmigre who lost contact with the Polish reality.
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:42    #107
PennBoy:
Thanx Seanus. I get along with everyone. I dated a Jewish girl in Penn State, so I obviously don't have them all. Just the ones who scam the system and are favored over everyone else while pretending to be poor.

Don't worry,a new totalitarian wanna be apparatchik of Soviet Europa - delph, hate everyone who dares speak something else that PC script prescribes!
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Joined: Aug 30, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: MediaWatch  Jun 15, 11, 22:46    #108
legend:
Mediawatch in a lot of cases I defend Palestinians, Muslims, Blacks, even Jews (some of you might think Im anti-semite but I defend the Jewish people alot especially to some comments I see on other forums where people would want them to burn sadly).
I am not Jewish or Muslim but I still defend them on occasion.

Remember dont accuse the whole group of a race. There are good and bad people everywhere.



Legend you are 100% right. I too have always said there is good and bad in every group INCLUDING Polish people.

I have criticized some Jews who I thought were wrong on some issues but I have many times said good things about Jews on other occasions like when I complemented Bibi Netanyahu and started a topic wishing Jews a Happy Hanukah.

I have even criticized Poles, like when I criticized Poles living in Britain and Germany who want those countries to cater to them. I said if those Poles don't like those countries, they should LEAVE them!!

As for Russians, I have said I have nothing against average Russians. I have even complemented Russian Slavic woman athletes etc.

The only Russians I don't like are the ultra nationalist ones like Delphiadomine. Its true you can defend groups of people when you are not part of that group like you and I have. But Delph's affection for Russians goes WAY BEYOND that. Although he'll throw in a token criticism of Russians here and there to try to throw people off.

He was defending Russians on topics when nobody was even talking about Russians LOL

And he went absolutely crazy spending hours, days, weeks, months defending Russia on the Smolensk crash tragedy. I'm sorry but that's a little much for somebody who has no ethnic ties to Russia.

He fights for Russia the way Bratwurst Boy fights for Germany. But at least Bratwurst Boy is not ashamed of his ancestry or hides his German ancestry like Delphiadomine hides his Russian ancestry.

Also Delphiadomine's attacks on Polish people started to pick up dramatically on all topics while he was going crazy pushing the viewpoint sympathetic to Russia on the Smolensk crash. That's not a coincidence.

Just the other day he was criticizing some Poles for saying Tusk was a "Russian Minister" or something like that. Russia is always on his mind for some reason. Its one thing to defend another nation you are not part of. Its totally another to go crazy expending hours, days, weeks, MONTHS fighting for.

Nobody would fight tooth and nail like that for a country they were not related to.


As for Russians, I have nothing against them in general.

But they too are guilty of saying wild and twisted things.

On the Israel Palestine issue, both sides are fair game for criticism.

But if Poles are going to be criticized for saying some unorthodox things about Israelis/Jews, then so should the Russians.

On the Russia Pravda forum

ISRAEL THE ACE OF SPADES OF EVIL!!!

http://engforum.pravda.ru/index.php?/topic/230318-israel%3B-the-ace-of -spades-of-evil/

In my opinion the Russians should be taken to task for this strong language about Jews if the Poles are always going to be criticized for saying even milder things.
PennBoyThreads: 157
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Joined: Dec 7, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:49    #109
Listen at 25:00 these young African-Americans are talking about what I meant (I know this video was posted on this forum before)
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:52    #110
AS, many Poles are not in touch with the realities you refer to. Some Pol-Ams are racist, some are not. The same goes for Poles or any other nation you choose to mention.
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Joined: Jul 22, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: Ogien  Jun 15, 11, 22:53    #111
delphiandomine:
I'd like to ask a simple question - is racism widespread among the Polish-American community?


If you are asking this solely because of a few posters on this site then I really have to question your intelligence.

To answer your question though, no. The Polish-Americans in my area are very kind and not racist at all. I know many Polish-American men dating Latin women. I also have a Brazilian friend who's getting married to a Polish guy in a few months.

delphiandomine:
From this forum, the following posters (all of whom identify as Polish-American)


The internet is filled with trolls. Just because someone self-identifies as a Polish-American on this site, it doesn't really mean they are. I'm not saying those particular posters are trolls for sure, but just bare that in mind.

Also, your quotes make no sense. You ask about racism yet those quotes have to do with Jews, Germans, and Brits. I was not aware that those are races...
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Joined: May 6, 11 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:53    #112
Seanus:
AS, many Poles are not in touch with the realities you refer to. Some Pol-Ams are racist, some are not. The same goes for Poles or any other nation you choose to mention.

Yes, however, the concentration of lunacy "as seen on PF" is unbelievable.
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Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended] 		Edited by: delphiandomine  Jun 15, 11, 22:53    #113
Antek_Stalich:
I apply the term "polaczek" to any Pole or Polish emmigre who lost contact with the Polish reality.


I think I'm going to use it from now on - it sounds far more eloquent than the trashy "Polack" to describe such people.

As for MediaWatch, he just has Russians on the brain.

Yes, however, the concentration of lunacy "as seen on PF" is unbelievable.

It really does give a terrible image of Poland - but then again, as the Admin isn't living in Poland anyway, what does he care?
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 22:57    #114
What lunacy are you alluding to, AS? Jarosław Kaczyński has lived here all of his life and is he in touch? Some would say not!
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Seanus:
What lunacy are you alluding to, AS? Jarosław Kaczyński has lived here all of his life and is he in touch? Some would say not!

What leads you to thinking I was talking on Mr. Kaczyński, Seanus? Now get to some thinking. What made you think you of Kaczyński when I was only thinking racism, nationalism, reactionary views, Pagan Slavic bs, "hanging dogs" on the Polish progress, willingness to re-capture West Ukraine, etc.? Why did you bring Kaczyński in the picture? Tell me please.
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 23:05    #116
I was just making the point that many are deemed out of touch when they are the very people who 'should' be in touch. He is a homophobe and I dare say a racist too. Pagan Slavic BS? I love pagan Slavic stuff. The man lives in the Stone Ages but, I guess, has some good ideas too.
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legend:
He has a right to his opinion.


Even if it means spreading his obvious hatred toward Jews and Germans? Alone taking his time for making long list of Jews in the Soviet government says it all. At the same time he seems to avoid writing much about the Soviets in the same manner as he does it about the Jews and Germans. Who knows who else he's hating?

legend:
It goes both ways.


I hate to blow your bubble, it's exactly the way I described it earlier. Nowadays, the blacks show more hatred toward us than the other way around, at least it's more obvious (OK, at least here where I live) but to be honest, it's by far not as bad as it once used to be. I know, in our big cities, it looks different than here but it's kinda understandable when so many different cultures meet each other. It's not just here, I've observed racism all around Europe too (this way or another).
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Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Jun 15, 11, 23:08    #118
Seanus:
Pagan Slavic BS? I love pagan Slavic stuff.


It's BS when someone goes so far as to consider the baptism of Mieszko I as being "a sad day".
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 23:11    #119
Sometimes I feel that labelling is more damaging than background racist 'poking'. The fact that I like things dubbed as pagan Slavic doesn't mean that I must be a worshipper of pagan idols, far from it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgXlUxDGFvU, immense music IMHO. As for their religious beliefs, that's not my business nor is it my interest.

Racism is truly for the weak of mind. God put all sorts on the planet and to hate a whole group just doesn't wash.
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Joined: May 6, 11 ♂ 		 Jun 15, 11, 23:16    #120
Senus, you avoided answering on Mr Kaczyński.

Regarding Pagan Slavic, it was not Pagan Slavic who made Poland last over 1000 years, do you agree with me?

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