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PennBoyThreads: 157
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Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota may not be very famous right now but look out. He's going to come on strong. With Mike Huckabee's decision not to run and Sarah Palin's likely decision to follow, Pawlenty is the only high -profile evangelical Christian in the GOP presidential sweepstakes.

Now understand this, according to one poll, 60 percent of the caucus goers in Iowa are born again Christians. 48 percent of the nation. It is how George H.W. Bush, born in Massachusetts, raised in Connecticut, a patrician establishment figure, won the presidency in a landslide in 1988.

Read more on Newsmax.com: Tim Pawlenty Has Clear Path to White House
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http://www.newsmax.com/DougWead/tim-pawlenty-sarahpalin-michele/2011/0 5/16/id/396470
dtaylor5632Threads: 49
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Pole...evangelical Christian.... u pulling my leg eh?

Pawlenty's mother was German American and his father was Polish American.... you really are aren't you?
Des EssientesThreads: 11
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dtaylor5632:
Pole...evangelical Christian.... u pulling my leg eh?

He converted from Roman Catholicism his wife's behest. These creepy Baptists are quite a force in America.
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dtaylor5632:
Pawlenty's mother was German American and his father was Polish American.... you really are aren't you?

Des Essientes:
He converted from Roman Catholicism his wife's behest.

I don't see what's the problem here, he's still a Christian, and of Polish heritage.
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PennBoy:
and of Polish heritage.

And German. Shouldn't the title be ... German Polish American American Tim .... ect
Des Essientes:
These creepy Baptists

I quite like them, worked for a baptist owned hospice once. They are insane but lovable :D
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PennBoy:
I don't see what's the problem here

If you honestly think Roman Catholicism is on par with nutty evangelical Baptist sects then I don't know what to tell you.
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Des Essientes:
If you honestly think Roman Catholicism is on par with nutty evangelical Baptist sects then I don't know what to tell you.

Dude, I haven't been to church in like 5 years. I believe in god, I'm just am not a practicing Catholic.
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PennBoy:
I'm just am not a practicing Catholic.

Neither am I but I know that Roman Catholicism acknowledges scientific discoveries such as evolution and that the Earth is older than 5,000 years. Evangelical kooks won't acknowledge anything that contradicts the King James Bible. Leaving Catholicism for such fundamentalism demonstrates poor judgement on Pawlenty's part.
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Des Essientes:
Leaving Catholicism for such fundamentalism demonstrates poor judgement on Pawlenty's part.

Or maybe he was baptized but was never a real Catholic anyway, an atheist. So he converted just to satisfy his wife.
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PennBoy:
I don't see what's the problem here, he's still a Christian, and of Polish heritage.


The vast majority of Poles, being Catholic, would regard him as being suspicious to say the least. Then consider that he's half German - which is very suspicious to many Poles. Probably best to regard him as simply being a good old fashioned American.

The article is a bit rubbish though - it fails to point out that George Bush only beat Dukakis because..well...Dukakis was useless.

Huckabee has pulled out?
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delphiandomine:
Huckabee has pulled out?

Huckabee, Palin, and Trump are out. Gingrich, Pawlenty, and Bachmann are in.
"The rosy glow that helped boost President Obama's approval ratings after terrorist leader Osama bin Laden was killed in a U.S. raid in Pakistan has already faded, according to the Gallup Daily tracking poll.

As of May 13, Obama's approval rating was at 46%, the same number he had in the three days before the raid on Bin Laden's hideaway at the beginning of the month. The president had received a six-point bump as measured in the Gallup poll after the death of Bin Laden.

In addition to getting an approval bump after the raid, Obama got a second bounce as fewer people disapproved of him. After the raid his disapproval numbers fell from 45% to 40%.

In the current tracking poll numbers, his disapproval numbers were at 44%, almost the same as before the raid." http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-gallup-obama-approval-bin-l aden20110517,0,4235713.story
We might see a republican president after all....
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PennBoy:
It is how George H.W. Bush, born in Massachusetts, raised in Connecticut, a patrician establishment figure, won the presidency in a landslide in 1988.

He won by riding Regan's coattails
Des Essientes:
If you honestly think Roman Catholicism is on par with nutty evangelical Baptist sects then I don't know what to tell you

As if there aren't any Catholic fanatics ;)
Des Essientes:
Leaving Catholicism for such fundamentalism demonstrates poor judgement on Pawlenty's part.

you obviously are unfamiliar with American politics
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rybnik:
you obviously are unfamiliar with American politics

Becoming an evangelical Baptist will get you votes in the South were it's almost the "state religion" but all the Presidents we've had thus far, excepting Kennedy, have come from mainline moderate Protestant sects haven't they?
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Des Essientes:
Becoming an evangelical Baptist will get you votes in the South were it's almost the "state religion" but all the Presidents we've had thus far, excepting Kennedy, have come from mainline moderate Protestant sects haven't they?

all I'm saying is that being a Baptist is a good thing politically if you want to get the evangelical Christian vote(Huckabee's a southern baptist)
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rybnik:
Huckabee's a southern baptist

so are many senators and key politicians, if he can get their support it will make his chances of becoming president much better.
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Des Essientes:
nutty evangelical Baptist sects


Tim Pawlenty belongs to the Wooddale Church which is related to the Minnesota Baptist Conference. He, however converted from Catholicism and is a Lutheran. I don't think they qualify as nut cases.
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Ron Paul is pulling better than ever but the American public isn't quite ready for a Libertarian. He probably would not take a vp spot. It seems that Senator Marco Rubio (Florida) is heads-up favorite for the vp spot.

Pawlenty is just the kind of 'dark horse' candidate who could pull it off just like Jimmy Carter did. People wanted a fresh face.

I like Mitch Daniels as well because he is the anti-Obama (lacks charisma which many seem to prefer now that they've experienced Obamafication.
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ZIMMY:
Tim Pawlenty belongs to the Wooddale Church which is related to the Minnesota Baptist Conference. He, however converted from Catholicism and is a Lutheran.

How is he a Lutheran if he belongs to a Baptist church? Are you on drugs?
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Pinching Pete:
The tea partiers are bi/tching almost the most about Hispanic immigration, no way that dude would be a good choice


Senator Mario Rubio's views on immigration echo the Tea Party views.

Pinching Pete:
Gotta love the Chicago Republicans on PFs.

Chicago Republicans (all 12 of them) love you too.


Des Essientes:
How is he a Lutheran if he belongs to a Baptist church? Are you on drugs?

I'm high on the truth. Perhaps I can give a course on critical thinking here?

The Wooddale Church in Eden Prairie, MN, is a non-denominational Christian church although it has links with many evangelical churches primarily Baptist ones. Gov. Pawlenty was a Catholic but his wife talked him into becoming a
Lutheran. Anything else you need to know?

MediaWatch:
I like Michelle Bachmann. She's interesting and looks nice.


......and she hates feminists :)
Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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Obama is half-white but no-one ever says so. With Caucasians the paternal line that brings along the surname is what fixes the image, so Pawlęty (the original spelling) will be perceived as Polish Ameircan. However the maternal line may attract German voters as well.
Incidentally, the Pawlęty ancestral nest is western Poland's' Piła area (north of Poznań and west of Bydgoszcz) which had been under Prussian during the partitions.
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Polonius3:
Obama is half-white but no-one ever says so. With Caucasians the paternal line that brings along the surname is what fixes the image, so Pawlęty (the original spelling) will be perceived as Polish Ameircan. However the maternal line may attract German voters as well.


A german-polish mix again? :) That's a plus! He is an evangelical...aren't that these nutter who believe in the impending Armageddon where only Evangelicals will be "saved"??? That would be a big minus!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Pawlenty
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ZIMMY:
The Tea Party loves him.


Uhhh.. the populace as a whole will not vote for a Hispanic, they already think they're losing control of the country to them as it is. Bill Richardson might have been president if he wasn't half Hispanic. Republicans arent' getting the WH back anyway. Just as they said with Lincoln (who wasn't all the popular during his presidency either) "Why change horses mid-stream). Why choose worse over merely bad (Obama). Face it, the Republicans have rich dudes and religious nutcakes.. both of which are not really representative of the country.
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For now Mitt Romney is the front-runner to secure the Republican nomination next year. Tim Pawlenty is a low-profile candidate. Plus he's not independently wealthy and may not raise enough funds to run.
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Bzibzioh:
For now Mitt Romney is the front-runner to secure the Republican nomination next year. Tim Pawlenty is a low-profile candidate. Plus he's not independently wealthy and may not raise enough funds to run.

"Romney-care" will be his albatross. Might prove too tough to shake off. (then there's his Mormonism ;)
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I don't see Evangelicals as fruitcakes like most fundamentalists- jmo...the ones I know are more like generic protestants. Keep in mind also that the LDS Church is the fastest growing sect in America (go figure)
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rybnik:
then there's his Mormonism

Did you know that Mormons believe that Mary was taken to another planet where she had sexual intercourse with God and thus became pregnant with Jesus? Denying the virgnity of the Virgin reveals the patriarchical depravity of this cult.
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Des Essientes:
Denying the virgnity of the Virgin reveals the patriarchical depravity of this cult.

???
Des Essientes:
Did you know that Mormons believe that Mary was taken to another planet where she had sexual intercourse with God and thus became pregnant with Jesus?

It does sound strange BUT so does: virgin birth, holy trinity, the holy ghost, the concept of saints, etc.
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PennBoy:
We might see a republican president after all....


Cheers, PB for the link.

It seems really hard to tell - the incumbent always has the advantage, and it still seems to me that the Republicans simply don't have a heavy enough hitter to counter Obama. They do have some good candidates who can mobilise their voters, but it seems none of them have the ability to steal the centre ground voters - who pretty much do decide elections.

My feeling is that with 46% approval ratings, plus the 5% or so of annoyed liberals who feel that Obama hasn't gone far enough - he'll have (just) enough to win. The Republicans need to decide on someone fast and early - and that person needs to hit the campaign trail harder than Obama. Is it possible?
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It looks like he is going to announce his candidacy tomorrow.
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Romney is out?

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