what do Polish people think of the USA

krysiaThreads: 26 Posts: 3,604 Joined: Aug 10, 06 ♀	Oct 3, 07, 00:12 #121
Good point lightbulb. But there is more to it why our troops are still there. For example oil.

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Oct 3, 07, 02:33 #122

Quoting: krysia

If the US did nothing, there would be more incidents like the 9/11.

there is zero percent fact in this statement. I like logic, and there is no logic here:(

Quoting: krysia

Where are the concentration camps?

like plk123 said, what the hell is Guantanmo if not a concentration camp, not to mention the alleged secret CIA jails in Poland? I bet half of the people in guantanamo are there by mistake because G I Joe doesnt know the difference between Hassam Hussein and Husseim Hassam...

Quoting: Lightbulb

Jumping to a false conclusion is embarrasing, but if we can effect some positive change in Iraq, we might still create a net benefit

Randompal loves it when folks talk about a war as if it were a small business opportunity. I hope you're not Polish, because the irony wouldn't be lost on me. Irony as in, Aw **** Hitler murdered a few million Poles but maybe Poland can still be a net benefit...the US has already killed a million Iraqis, many women and their kids, but who cares theyre just stinky muslims!

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Oct 3, 07, 10:02 #123

Quoting: Lightbulb

With the minor difference that no one dies. Killing millions for their race vs. inconveniencing a few hundred for "accidentally" showing up on a battlefield in Afghanistan... same thing, right? ;)

Anyway, I'll agree that the president is a stubborn guy, and will never admit that the war in Iraq sort of lost its basis once no WMD were found. However, even the UN weapon inspection team's leader Hans Blix told the British media that he expected us to find weapons once we invaded Iraq. Jumping to a false conclusion is embarrasing, but if we can effect some positive change in Iraq, we might still create a net benefit and trade partner there. The Philippines was much more difficult than Iraq, and nowadays it's great over there, and probably the most pro-American country outside our borders. People who call Iraq a bad situation would probably go into fits if they looked at the Philippines c. 1900 when we fought a 10-year fight against the insurgency there, and that was without airpower, against a motivated Muslim enemy. Nothing is lost yet, contrary to what most Democrats want to believe. :)

i don't trust "official" numbers. nothing about gitmo seems legal or constitutional to me.

UNSCOM report says things to the contrary to what shrubco claimed. he didn't even let them finish thier job; which, btw, they were actually doing well.

phillipines: i think that might have been the feeling a while back but it's not so anymore.. i have many phillipino friends and that's what they tell me anyway.

we have no chance of "winning" in IRQ no matter what kind of ideas we come up with.. we messed up from the beginning and now it's really to late to fix it.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Oct 3, 07, 10:03 #124
Quoting: krysia Good point lightbulb. But there is more to it why our troops are still there. For example oil. what's the benefit really? i sure don't see any. irq isn't producing sh!t.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Oct 3, 07, 10:04 #125
Quoting: randompal there is zero percent fact in this statement. I like logic, and there is no logic here:( yeah, someone is drinking the coolaid.

randompalThreads: 7 Posts: 431 Joined: Jul 10, 07 ♂	Oct 3, 07, 11:18 #126
Quoting: plk123 what's the benefit really? i sure don't see any. irq isn't producing sh!t. Iraq has been a steady supplier of crude oil for years. [youtube=null]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1oPEfa9Lws

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Oct 3, 07, 12:46 #127
for years, yes.. lately.. not much.. well, not much is getting out anyway.

DumbYankee71Threads: - Posts: 21 Joined: Oct 4, 07 ♂	Oct 4, 07, 11:00 #128
Quoting: NativeAmerican The Dollar is nothing and the middle-class can't keep the little they have. .. at least we have a middle class.

randompalThreads: 7 Posts: 431 Joined: Jul 10, 07 ♂	Oct 4, 07, 11:25 #129
Quoting: DumbYankee71 at least we have a middle class. France also has a middle class. There is a middle class in the Netherlands, in Canada, in Portugal, in Poland, the list goes on and on. What's your point?

DumbYankee71Threads: - Posts: 21 Joined: Oct 4, 07 ♂	Oct 5, 07, 16:51 #130
A viable middle class? Similar in name only, not by scale. BTW: Are you sure you still have a middle class? The Wall Street Journal listed unemployment in Poland was at 20% last year. A weak dollar isn't the end of the world; actually it usually kick starts orders / employment over here because our products become cheaper.

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Oct 5, 07, 17:30 #131

Quoting: randompal

Its a nation started by opportunisitc bankers who took a good (bad) example from other Europeans and smote the natives into submission (American Indians). As a liberal free-market domain it is run by banks and big business, and the will of the people is either disregarded or manipulated so that they themselves don't know what they want (example: healthcare). The women are fat and the men are clueless and arrogant and they love telling dumb-Polak jokes even though most of them couldn't find Poland on the map. (just generalising). Also, interestingly Americans are convinced that they are the only free"democracy" on the face of the Earth and have a duty to spread this good word to the rest of the poor ignorant masses around the globe. But other than that, it's a swell place, great people, but I wouldn't really want to live there.

There may be some fat women over here but at least they took a shower in the past week. (My turn at generalizing) However Poland does have some amazing women, will have to concede that.

Love it when Europeans call us "clueless".. It wasn't clueless that invented the airplane, light bulb, computer, internet, motion picture industry.. clueless wasn't first to the moon.
Arrogant?? No people are more arrogant than Europeans. They just cling to the past. Sit around and ***** all day, dreaming of their next ethnic cleansing escapade... which they will then preced to ask us to clean up!

You're so evolved huh? No corruption in Eastern Europe at all . You may not want to come over here but I've seen a lot of your pals in Chicago first hand and they sure as hell aren't moving back to good ole' Poland anytime soon.

By the way, I don't tell dumb Polak jokes, I can find Slovakia let alone Poland on a map. I know you have Nobel prize winners, I know Kracow has a renown university.

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Oct 6, 07, 13:01 #132

Quoting: DumbYankee71

generalizing

yes, those were generalizations. thank you for noticing.

Quoting: DumbYankee71

It wasn't clueless that invented the airplane, light bulb, computer, internet, motion picture industry.. clueless wasn't first to the moon.

tell someone who cares, because sending a man to the moon hasn't somehow changed my life for the better. why not go back to the moon and open up a starbucks there? It is well known that America has more Nobel prize winners than any other country, but based on the conversations one GENERALLY (key word) had with the locals...yeah...clueless. Don't brag about how smart you are until you start doing something about those nasty little spelling and usage errors.

Quoting: DumbYankee71

They just cling to the past

Just like folks tend to do, even Yanks. That's why an American will never miss an opportunity to remind us how we should be grateful that America saved the world (WWI, WWII, etc..)....yawn....

randompalThreads: 7 Posts: 431 Joined: Jul 10, 07 ♂	Oct 6, 07, 13:02 #133
Quoting: DumbYankee71 Are you sure you still have a middle class? yes I am sure. I see it every day.

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Oct 6, 07, 13:13 #134

Quoting: DumbYankee71

I've seen a lot of your pals in Chicago

wow, nothing I admire more than a well-travelled man. I've passed through Chicago also and also witnessed the famous Poles of Milwaukee Avenue. These folks seemed to be the flotsam and jetsam of Polish society - I hope they DON't come back to Poland (more Kaczynski voters, just what Poland needs)...

Don't get so upset, mr Dumbyankee, the original post called for opinions (see dictionary) of America, which by their very nature usually include generalizations. Living in Poland I've met MANY people who just simply weren't happy with the place and decided to come back. After all, home is where the heart is...

AmirahJanowitz	Oct 6, 07, 18:53 #135
there is good and bad in every country. I am sick of hearing about Iraq. I could care less. I say this if you like America live here all you want but if you do not like American or complain about us. then get the heck out.I voted for Bush I am repulican. clinton messed up alot of stuff and embarssed us.I respect all people who come here to make their life meaningful and better.

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Oct 6, 07, 22:23 #136

Quoting: krysia

Good point lightbulb. But there is more to it why our troops are still there.
For example oil.

I don't doubt that oil figures into the equation, since it is essentially the thing that gives Iraq its strategic value. However, it is possible for the government to have both a good-faith desire to eliminate a threat and help an oppressed people *and* a profit motive concurrently, which is probably the case, just like it was in every other war our country has ever fought, although Iraq will mean debt to us ultimately in any case. We remain in Kosovo and Germany and N. Korea and God only knows how many other places where the benefit is less obvious, which I think leads some newcomers to global politics to latch on to the "war for oil" slogan and fail to see the broader perspective, sometimes, especially in foreign lands where observers are less well-versed in the process of our politics here.

Quoting: randompal

Randompal loves it when folks talk about a war as if it were a small business opportunity. I hope you're not Polish, because the irony wouldn't be lost on me. Irony as in, Aw **** Hitler murdered a few million Poles but maybe Poland can still be a net benefit...the US has already killed a million Iraqis, many women and their kids, but who cares theyre just stinky muslims!

I wouldn't say that about Poland, and I don't think my prior remarks were so callous as to suggest that sort of thing about Iraq. I speak in terms of "net benefit" simply for accuracy's sake. It would be ignorant to think of the end result of our war with Iraq being simply "good" or "bad," "beneficial" or "harmful," however it may turn out. Instead, I use the term "net benefit" to clarify, and to acknowledge the human costs that we've already incurred and the complexity of the situation. We have the resources and the volunteers and the allies and the will to meet the already-long list of harms with a longer one of benefits, but it will take time, no doubt.

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Oct 7, 07, 07:54 #137

Quoting: AmirahJanowitz

clinton messed up alot of stuff and embarssed us.

wouldn't most agree that Clinton was relatively well linked around the world? even if that is not so, no one is more embarassing than Bush. What is a good indicator of that? I have yet to find a single person (other than the odd American-Republican) that has anything good to say about him. Even in Poland, one of the more pro-US countries around, people seem to be unanimously aginst Bush and everyone I have ever asked regards him as an idiot.

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Oct 7, 07, 11:36 #138

Quoting: randompal

wouldn't most agree that Clinton was relatively well linked around the world? even if that is not so, no one is more embarassing than Bush. What is a good indicator of that? I have yet to find a single person (other than the odd American-Republican) that has anything good to say about him. Even in Poland, one of the more pro-US countries around, people seem to be unanimously aginst Bush and everyone I have ever asked regards him as an idiot.

outside of the states, who gives a **** about how popular bush is with other people from different countries.
not like they can vote for him.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Oct 7, 07, 11:45 #139
Quoting: marek s outside of the states, who gives a **** about how popular bush is with other people from different countries. not like they can vote for him. that's not a healthy outlook.. that's not winning us any friends.

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Oct 7, 07, 11:50 #140

Quoting: randompal

wouldn't most agree that Clinton was relatively well linked around the world?

Agree.
That doesn't mean I could say too much about his achievements at home because I don't know.

Quoting: marek s

who gives a **** about how popular bush is with other people from different countries

Every country needs friends and allies.
If your leader is very unpopular with countries that are usually your strongest allies, is that not cause for a little concern?
We can't vote for other people's leaders, but they can affect what happens in our lives, therefore, their actions are worthy of foreigners' criticism.

marek sThreads: - Posts: 451 Joined: Sep 9, 07 ♂	Oct 7, 07, 12:51 #141
Quoting: plk123 that's not a healthy outlook.. that's not winning us any friends. weather it is or not, its a true outlook

marek sThreads: - Posts: 451 Joined: Sep 9, 07 ♂	Oct 7, 07, 12:52 #142
Quoting: osiol We can't vote for other people's leaders, but they can affect what happens in our lives, therefore, their actions are worthy of foreigners' criticism. my point is whatever foreigners say, it really doesnt matter here in the states.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Edited by: osiol Oct 7, 07, 13:02 #143
Quoting: marek s my point is whatever foreigners say, it really doesnt matter here in the states. True. But it matters to people outside of the US. I see it similarly for the UK. People abroad may have their opinions, so they may state them publicly, but it doesn't affect political discourse at home.

1st generation	Oct 8, 07, 11:01 #144
Clinton was an embarassment because of his sexual antics involving women his daughter's age. The Clintonistas are just waiting to tax the middle class out of oblivion with Hilary's stupid national health plan. It's ok for losers and people who are lazy or illegal aliens. We working people are tired of this. We don't want socialized anything.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Oct 8, 07, 11:04 #145
social med is good for business actually. clinton wasn't dating teenagers dude.. get ovet it as it's been almost a freaking decade. i'd rather see the prez get a bj then go on a killing spree and spend our hard earned moeny like a drunken sailor. talk about a waste.. besoides that your kids (if any) will be paying for this stupid venture. maybe even their children too. how responsible is that?

KilklineThreads: 3 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 23, 07 ♂	Oct 8, 07, 11:11 #146
What is the 'national health plan'?

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Oct 8, 07, 11:55 #147

Quoting: Kilkline

What is the 'national health plan'?

she wanted to copy Canada's system but Republicans and her fellow Democrats were paid off by the insurance lobby to shut her up, and she was forced to abandon her ideas. The conventional wisdom is that America has gone too far down the road of privatization and national healthcare systems in the US don't stand a chance. They are even privatizing public libraries in the US now..

KilklineThreads: 3 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 23, 07 ♂	Oct 8, 07, 12:03 #148
Stalin's Russia had state healthcare. Its a slippery slope.

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Oct 8, 07, 13:04 #149

Quoting: Kilkline

Stalin's Russia had state healthcare. Its a slippery slope.

many countries have it, and yes the former Commie nations had it too. Under the COmmunists the state-run health systems were shoddy but they were there, and they did their jobs on a basic level despite many many shortcomings. Better than no healthcare, as they say. Now allmost all industrialized nations have some form of national healthcare except, as we all know, the USA. Polls show over and over again that most (not all, but still most) Americans want it, but they won't get it because Congress in the USA is bought and paid for by the AMA and the insurance industry.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Oct 8, 07, 13:27 #150
Quoting: Kilkline What is the 'national health plan'? good Q as it's an unheard of thing here. :D

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