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nauczyciel

Edited by: Administrator Oct 17, 07, 16:34 #1

He was from Poland, he didn't speak a word of English, he was coming to Canada for a better life, and his name was Robert Dziekanski.
Police have identified him as the 40-year old man they tasered at Vancouver’s International Airport early Sunday morning after getting reports of a disruption in the arrivals terminal.

cknw.com/news/news_local.cfm?cat=7428981912&rem=77107&red=80198123aPBI ny&wids=242&gi=1&gm=news_local.cfm

helloThreads: 37 Posts: 1,104 Joined: Dec 5, 06 ♂	Oct 17, 07, 19:54 #2
All parts of the world are getting more and more dangerous. I thought Canada wasn't as bad as the US or UK.

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Oct 18, 07, 15:25 #3

He got off the plane and started yelling and throwing chairs around. It took 4-5 officers to subdue him; even after they cuffed him he continued to resist. He may have been under the influence of drugs but others are suggesting he had a rare health condition. A women recorded the incident on her cell phone but the police didn't take a statement from her - the family should get a good lawyer. I don't know why they didn't try pepper spraying him first...

Here's a better article:

Sima Ashrafinia, who recorded the incident at the airport on her cellphone, told CBC News that RCMP officers stunned Dziekanski four times and handcuffed him after he fell on the floor.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/10/15/taser-death .html?ref=rss

WroclawThreads: 74 Posts: 7,276 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Oct 18, 07, 15:33 #4
Quoting: nauczyciel Polish Visitor to Vancouver Canada killed by RCMP TASER Sad.

miranda	Oct 18, 07, 16:00 #5
Quoting: hello I thought Canada wasn't as bad as the US or UK. well, not yey but we are getting there.....very sad incident

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06 ♂	Oct 18, 07, 17:32 #6
Quoting: hello I thought Canada wasn't as bad as the US or UK as bad as what... killing polish people...?

miranda	Edited by: miranda Oct 18, 07, 17:50 #7
Quoting: BubbaWoo .. killing polish people...? no , police violence

Shawn_H	Oct 18, 07, 20:03 #8
Very Sad.

Jett	Oct 28, 07, 07:05 #9
Another victim of vodka!!!

miranda	Oct 28, 07, 07:27 #10
Quoting: Jett Another victim of vodka!!! no, it seems to be another case of police misconduct.

UrsusThreads: 1 Posts: 5 Joined: Oct 30, 07 ♂	Oct 30, 07, 23:40 #11
He wasn't a victim of vodka..........he was a victim of paranoid cops/officials not knowing how to cope with the situation. No drugs/alcohol was found in his system. I'd get pissed off too if I was locked up in a room for hours not knowing what was going on. "Another victim of vodka" - Is that the best you can come up with "Jett"?

lornefriskeThreads: - Posts: 1 Joined: Nov 14, 07 ♂	Nov 14, 07, 18:55 #12
If you are still following this story, a video taken by a witness was finally released today and will be posted at TheProvince.com at 6 p.m. PST.

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Nov 14, 07, 23:16 #13

A victim of vodka?? I hope you die a horrible death you sick son of a *****. The man was travelling for more than 30 hours, 8 of which he spent stuck in the baggage carousel. Under influence of drugs?? He was tired, confused and hungry. I don't know about you all, but I have travelled through many countries and airports, and sometimes, I am on the verge of turning violent when I'm stuck in a terminal, without food. Disgusting.. 4 cops to subdue a totally non-violent person.

moonmustangThreads: 2 Posts: 50 Joined: Oct 21, 07 ♀	Nov 14, 07, 23:31 #14
this is truly tragic and sad. My prayers go out to his family and I am continually amazed about how paranoid our world is becoming.

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Nov 14, 07, 23:35 #15

my condolences to his mother Maria (Zofia) Cisowski.

I just saw the video, everything that could have gone wrong; indeed went wrong.
it is very shameful that our so called "finest" can act like a bunch of Hyenas, just
out for a kill. There must be a public-inquiry into this, Robert Dziekanski could
have been any of us!

there was no serving, and definitely no protection in the minds of those
rookie officer. just trigger happy wanting to test their toys.
congratulation vancouver, all a mother wants for Christmas...
... A son in a body bag. well done officers! I am glad my taxes are going
to good use. why don't we promote these cowards to chief of police?
Our motto should be:
"come to canada, where we kill you" and blame it on Your paranoid-rage.

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Nov 14, 07, 23:41 #16

Good points Dnalop

Its disturbing to see that many RCMP needed to "subdue" a non-violent man, and even if things got worse, to use bodily force first. Instead, they tasered him right off the bat and when he fell, tasered him a 2nd time. And then when he was already near passing out, one officer drove his knee into his throat and they never even tried reviving him when he was unconscious. A true credit to those uneducated bastards they have working there.
I hope those RCMP officers never go on a day without thinking of the innocent they killed.

nauczyciel	Nov 14, 07, 23:51 #17
VIDEO>>>> http://www4.mediaontap.com/players/ctvbc/player.html CHOOSE WEDNESDAY. it will only be online there for 1 week

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Nov 15, 07, 00:00 #18
CBC has a feature, including video, and comments by readers: URL

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Edited by: Puzzler Nov 15, 07, 02:38 #19

Quoting: hello

I thought Canada wasn't as bad as the US or UK

- Canada, and especially so-called British Columbia (which is not British at all - not any more; actually is quite Britophobic, especially Anglophobic), is the most Polonophobic place I've ever been to. Hate propaganda against Poland and Poles in their media is virulent, open, shameless. The same goes for other public entities, including schools. Polish people are publicly ridiculed for their nationality, names, etc., with utter impunity. Third World immigrants learn this racism from the Canadian natives with gusto. How would you like to be served by a Chinese bank teller, barely speaking English, loudly making fun of your Polish surname? Canadian customs brutes treat Polish visitors as enemies - the brutes must be instructed by their superiors to do so, mustn't they? Try to turn to Canadian 'human rights organisations' with a complaint about any of the above - the rude grumpy racists sitting in them (mostly women) will tell you: 'I don't see any anti-Polish discriminaton / racism here!'

As regards Polonophobia, Canada seems the worst of all the American states I've been to. There's no comparison whatsoever between the treatment of Poles in UK and in Canada. In spite of some problems, the treatment is incomparably better in the UK, where, first of all, we are seen as fellow human beings by the vast majority of people, and, second, the government is friendly towards us. In Canada we're not perceived as human beings, but as laughable absurd stupid animals, and Canadian government seems to wink at and encourage this perception.

To me, Canadians are generally a bunch of psychopaths.

And now I hear they kindly consider making Canada visa-free for the Poles, well after having made the same for such respectable nations as Chinese from Hong Kong and Taiwan, Koreans and Czechs.

Some misinformed Poles are rejoicing at the prospect.

With all my might, I shall be persuading Poles not to go to this accursed land.

I am surprised that any Polish person is able to live in Canada. They are able to, because they shut their perception to the ubiquitous Polonophobia, don't they?

What the hell do we need Canada for, I fancy? We should sever out diplomatic and any other relations with this land of Polonophobic hate.

Let their bloody embassy, ripping off Poles with visa fees as ruthlessly as the Yank embassy, get the hell out of Poland.

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Nov 15, 07, 03:18 #20

what happened to Robert Dziekanski, was unbelievable.
please read my earlier comments on the subject above.

I am not saying these to change your mind Puzzler.
it seems like you've already made your mind about...
US, UK, China, Taiwan, Korea, Czechs, and now Canada.

There are many polish people here in Canada and
they are important part of this country. we learned
that through history of Canada. They've built this
country. As an immigrant myself living in Canada for
some 20 years, I have to say never once heard
of the word Polonophobia. The racist people usually
hate a whole bunch of countries not just one!

and if you are offended by a teller mispronouncing
your Polish surname, you should see how they butcher
an Arabic name such as mine.
wait, wait , don't tell me ... now hate Arabs too!

nauczyciel

Nov 15, 07, 03:59 #21

Quoting: Puzzler

Hate propaganda against Poland and Poles in their media is virulent, open, shameless. The same goes for other public entities, including schools. Polish people are publicly ridiculed for their nationality, names, etc., with utter impunity.

can you please provide some sources of these allegations?

Quoting: Puzzler

which is not British at all - not any more; actually is quite Britophobic, especially Anglophobic

again.... sources, quotes?

Quoting: Puzzler

Try to turn to Canadian 'human rights organisations' with a complaint about any of the above - the rude grumpy racists sitting in them (mostly women) will tell you: 'I don't see any anti-Polish discriminaton / racism here

hey... how about some evidence on this?

Quoting: Puzzler

Canada seems the worst of all the American states I've been to

You must have failed countries of the world in school. Get a map.

Quoting: Puzzler

To me, Canadians are generally a bunch of psychopaths.

Based on what?

Quoting: Puzzler

With all my might, I shall be persuading Poles not to go to this accursed land.

Ad with all this hatred you have towards everyone in every country.... who will listen to you?

Like I have stated before.... it seems to us here, that the only consistant factor in your hatred towards all countries and people is YOU Puzzler.

I hear they need some volunteers for a new Mars probe. Maybe you will sign up. But wait... you will find something wrong with that place too.

AvJoeUK

Edited by: AvJoeUK Nov 15, 07, 06:48 #22

VANCOUVER - Animalistic cries of pain are the last the world hears of a newly-arrived immigrant in dramatic video released Wednesday.
The images are so explosive Robert Dziekanski's mother, who hasn't seen the whole video, has been driven into seclusion to avoid seeing it repeated on newscasts, her lawyer told The Canadian Press.
But they also raise serious questions about why the police resorted to using the Taser only seconds after encountering the non-violent man last month at the Vancouver airport.
And it contradicts what police said happened that night.
Zofia Cisowski sits on a waiting list for psychiatric care to help her get through the loss of her only son, Walter Kosteckyj said, and so he hopes the gripping video holds the police accountable for their actions that night.

ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/airport_taser&printer=1

Here is the video....Very sad.

liveleak.com/view?i=936_1195094875

Your Thoughts Please, personally it seems This guy obviously was frustrated and tired. It sounds like he was stuck in the Airport all night and could not communicate to get help. The trashing of stuff was the last act of a desperate man. When they confronted him though he did seem to stand down and acknowledge what he did. However the use of the tazer in my opinion was not warranted...

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Nov 15, 07, 12:08 #23

Quoting: Dnalop

As an immigrant myself living in Canada for
some 20 years, I have to say never once heard
of the word Polonophobia.

- Well, it seems you're quite an ignorant 'immigrant' then. Regarding the fact Canada has the good luck of hosting you, I'm not surprised at the least.

And if you mean there's no anti-Polish racism in Canada, I'll say as they say in North America: you're in denial, pal.

I have actually seen in Canada also types from Arabic countries putting down Polish people. As I have mentioned above, racism is contagious.

Quoting: Dnalop

how they butcher
an Arabic name such as mine

- I have never seen any show of negativity against Arabs in everyday life in Canada, e.g. in banks and other public institutions, apart from the media psychopaths' usual anti-Arab coverage and the Jewish community's usual utterances of hatred.

The Canadian bigot is careful not to offend Arabs out of fear he can be blown up or accused of 'racism.'

Well, I think I know where you're coming from, pal: by 'defending' Canada - Canadian racists in fact - you hope, as an Arab immigrant, to ingratiate yourself into Canadians' favour, at the Poles' expense. You're hoping Canadians will say: 'Arabs good, Poles bad,' aren't you?

Yeah, I noticed in Canada that 'people of colour' often deny there's racism against e.g. the Poles there, because they fear that if 'human rights' charges of racism should be applied to others than them, then they may be left behind, their chunk of the pie may get too small. A cunning lot indeed!

Yeah, today Canada is heaven for the Third World creeps like you, but not the Poles.

Quoting: Dnalop

wait, wait , don't tell me ... now hate Arabs too!

- Why would I hate Arabs? Don't put your own dirty words into my mouth, pal.

As for you, your comment seems to be proof of your quite unfriendly attitude towards the Poles.

Well, according to e.g. Iranian stereotype, Arabs have the tendency to lie (Iranians despise the Arabs).

Watch out, pal, that you don't give evidence of this stereotype's being correct.

Wow, looky what a 'defender' from Arabia the Canadian racists and bigots have!
:)

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Edited by: Puzzler Nov 15, 07, 13:16 #24

Quoting: nauczyciel

Ad with all this hatred you have towards everyone in every country.... who will listen to you?

- Well, any proof of my alleged hatred towards any one in any country?

I deeply dislike Canada indeed, as I have good reasons to dislike it. While living in that dump, my sense of humanity was abused so unbearably I got seriously ill - so seriously ill, in fact, I nearly died.

All my opinions about Canada are based on personal experience. How would you like me, pal, to prove their accordance with the facts, please?

Yeah, I know - you consider yourselves a sovereign country (a great country, the best to live in - UN itself has said that, so it must be true!). But almost everything that is essential to national identity in this great sovereign country is American: the language, the schoolbooks, the TV, the fashion, the industry, you name it. Yes, American. Your military, or rather lack of it, is also American: you reduce spending on the army knowing full well that in case of any attack against Canada the Yanks will defend you all the same. And then you travel in the world, including Europe, with the (awful) Canadian flag on your foreheads so that any one can see you're Canadians, not Americans, and you scream aloud: 'I'm not American!' and tell every one how horrible the Americans are. Hehe, when the Yanks boycotted the murderous Castro regime, you travelled to Cuba en masse for cheap cigars, prostitutes and liquor, believing you were thus opposing the Yank imperialism.... A nice loyal bunch you are indeed. :)

In reality, you're an American state with a kind of special rights, special autonomy. Besides, you're torn apart culturally and ethnically: part of the place is (a funny jargon of) French-speaking Quebec, the other part so-called English (sic) Canada; both parts despise and hate each other wholeheartedly.

As for your Britophobia, I remember e.g. an article in the racist rag Globe and Mail, your 'national newspaper,' where Britain was compared to an old emaciated dog which still remembers its long-gone glory days and hopes they may return. I remember the crude ridicule of the Queen and the Royal Family too. But formally Her Majesty is head of Canada, isn't she? I remember countless negative comments about the English and England, from both native Whites and Third World immigrants.

I've written a bit chaotically, but I'll be more than happy to continue this debate about, ahem, Polish-Canadian relations, and share with you my long rich experence of living in Canada. I have kept a diary for many years, with press clippings, so I'm ready to quote from it too.

But for now - a Polish man has been murdered with impunity by Canadian coppers. I hope Heaven will pay in kind to those sadistic bandits and their families, because most probably Canadian 'justice' will let them get away with murder. From now on, I shall associate Canadian pigs' red uniforms with blood.

PuzzlerThreads: 11 Posts: 1,613 Joined: Mar 21, 07 ♂	Nov 15, 07, 13:19 #25
Quoting: Dnalop you've already made your mind about... UK, - Do you suggest I dislike the UK? If yes, please prove I do. Otherwise I'll be forced to assert you're indeed a liar.... :)

PuzzlerThreads: 11 Posts: 1,613 Joined: Mar 21, 07 ♂	Nov 15, 07, 13:29 #26
Quoting: polishcanuck He got off the plane and started yelling and throwing chairs around. It took 4-5 officers to subdue him; even after they cuffed him he continued to resist. He may have been under the influence of drugs - But of course - he's to blame for the fact he was killed. A very Canadian explanation indeed.

PuzzlerThreads: 11 Posts: 1,613 Joined: Mar 21, 07 ♂	Nov 15, 07, 13:32 #27
Quoting: nauczyciel who will listen to you? - You may be surprised how many Poles will. Don't you underestimate Puzzler? The usual Canadian chutzpah? Many of the Poles still goodheartedly and naively believe Canada is a great Poland-friendly land. I'll help them open their eyes wide.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Nov 15, 07, 13:59 #28
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2007/11/15/milewski.canada.man. tasered.cbc

European view

Nov 15, 07, 14:42 #29

Hello there,

I'm a European high level education man. I used to think that Canada is a very beautiful country to travell and meet new people. Nowadays I prefer not to travell there because of the very bad news talking about abuses of policemen... and other things... very sad... European people can't comprehend this attitude against foreigners !!! Because of the great treatment that American people receive in Europe...

Greetings from London

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Nov 15, 07, 14:46 #30
Quoting: European view the great treatment that American people receive in Europe... especially in france. lol

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