Polish Visitor to Vancouver Canada killed by RCMP TASER on the Airport

covkid65Threads: 5 Posts: 54 Joined: Nov 10, 07 ♂	Nov 17, 07, 18:29 #271
liveleak.com/view?i=936_1195094875

WroclawThreads: 74 Posts: 7,276 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Nov 17, 07, 18:29 #272
Can someone tell me what a petition can do that an official complaint from one person can't do. The Polish Government, through their official, has made a complaint. What more do you need ?

miranda	Nov 17, 07, 19:12 #273
Quoting: BubbaWoo Marecki post #138

Shawn_H

Nov 17, 07, 19:21 #274

Quoting: Marecki

""Please stop blaming the taser for the Robert's death. It is not fair to our share prices, and our investors. We will use vast amounts of money to protect our source of taxpayer revenues. It is clear that he was saying "bring it on you scumbag cops, I'll kick your asses", as he continued to fight with the friendly, patient and professional officers who arrived at the scene to assist him."

Pardon me Marecki, The blurb you quoted was my farcical take on what their website said. It would be beneficial if you could find the website and read it for yourself. They have a very "nice way" of presenting their position, and the quote is not directly attributed to them. My apologies if this has confused you.

home123	Nov 17, 07, 21:05 #275
Quoting: Malgosia dad was a cop Sounds like your Dad was a "milicjant" NOT a cap, hah?

parts

Nov 17, 07, 23:17 #276

a short quote from the flwg article:

liveleak.com/view?i=b22_1193866884

"...A police officer asked to see what Pritchard had filmed. Then the officer asked for a copy of the memory card and Pritchard agreed. When the officer said he didn't have the technology to make a copy at the airport, Pritchard unhappily agreed to let him take the camera and memory card as long as it was returned to him within 48 hours.

But the next day, Pritchard said the officer called him and said police would not return the memory card. They did return the camera and a replacement memory card. Pritchard alleges police told him he'd get the footage back in 1 1/2 or 2 1/2 years, when the inquest and investigation are complete..."

parts

Nov 17, 07, 23:58 #277

Quoting: nauczyciel

oh...may I add, that there are paramedics on bicycles in the airport. Seen them many a times. The initial reports state that they were not called, but an ambulance was dispatched and arrived 12 minutes later.

Good job!:)....by Congo standards (no offense). And 12 minutes from where to where? the curbside, the entrance...from dispatch, from the time the call was received...and another 5-10 to get to a dying man? You know, if you need to, you can get up, get dressed, grab some coffee and be off to work in 12 minutes! It's a joke!

Darkness

Nov 18, 07, 05:45 #278

I have been saying for years that the RCMP are out of control. As a Canadian I am more than Embaressed by this buch of murderous thugs. Sadly, the good news is that this is the straw that breaks the camels back. Sadly, it is the death of a polish immigrant that starts the fall to grace of these bunch of criminals. But, there you have it. The RCMP have without a doubt been proven the liars that they are. Now, we can start dismanteling this National and International Disgrace.

miranda

Nov 18, 07, 06:48 #279

Globe an Mail from Nove 17
"RCMP falsehoods on Dziekanski's death

Canadians cannot believe a word the RCMP have to say over the taser death of Robert Dziekanski. The cruelty of the response by four Mounties to the Polish man's plight is a shocking example of police inhumanity. The disinformation campaign waged later can only further harm the reputation and credibility of the force. How, when an RCMP spokesman stands up in the future and calmly gives a version of events involving a member, can he be trusted?"

miranda	Nov 18, 07, 06:52 #280
URL link on Mr Dziekanski's funeral

Dana001	Nov 18, 07, 13:04 #281
I am afraid my firend that you should improve your English first to make such stupid comments....well back to school would be beneficial for you my firend since your education sucks as most of the Canadians...

home123

Nov 18, 07, 17:05 #282

Quoting: Darkness

I have been saying for years that the RCMP are out of control. As a Canadian I am more than Embaressed by this buch of murderous thugs. Sadly, the good news is that this is the straw that breaks the camels back. Sadly, it is the death of a polish immigrant that starts the fall to grace of these bunch of criminals. But, there you have it. The RCMP have without a doubt been proven the liars that they are. Now, we can start dismanteling this National and International Disgrace.

Well said! Very well, in fact! Thank you for a constructive/productive post with a heart warming belief in the future.

home123

Nov 18, 07, 17:14 #283

Quoting: Wroclaw

Can someone tell me what a petition can do that an official complaint from one person can't do.
The Polish Government, through their official, has made a complaint. What more do you need ?

It can do a lot of good in the world, buddy. It shows that thousands of people are sick of what they've seen! It shows that we/they will not put up with this, it shows that the way you think Poland would still kiss Soviet asses if we had hoped that say - Walesa - could have done all this just by himself as an "official person" in which case you wouldn't even know what the internet is to save your life.....

ESL1001	Nov 18, 07, 17:21 #284
Quoting: Dana001 I am afraid my firend that you should improve your English first to make such stupid comments....well back to school would be beneficial for you my firend since your education sucks as most of the Canadians... You might wanna look up "friend" (misspelled twice in one sentence...) and "preposition usage" with "beneficial"....before making "grammar comments".

♂ [Moderator]

Nov 18, 07, 17:41 #285

Quoting: home123

it shows that the way you think Poland would still kiss Soviet asses if we had hoped that say - Walesa - could have done all this just by himself as an "official person" in which case you wouldn't even know what the internet is to save your life.....

I'm glad to hear that it was something as simple as a petition that stopped Poland from kissing ass. Doubtless you signed it.

If you are going to pick me up on something. At least keep it relevant to the topic.

Marecki	Nov 18, 07, 19:32 #286
to Wroclaw as far as quoting homw123 I think it was only an example If you have a request signe by million people requesting something, it does make a big difference especially if a person you send it to wants to be reelected etc.

Upset Canadian

Nov 18, 07, 20:36 #287

I live in British Columbia Canada, this whole issue is so heartbreaking.
I am so sad and frustrated of hearing about this poor woman and her son.. I was just watching the evening news, they are showing how people are grouping together to raise enough money to send her back with her sons ashes... I think that is admirable, I have to say.. What the hell is wrong with our country... why is the government not paying for all of this.. it was our laws, our airport, our policemen, that killed this man. This woman scraped together all of her earnings to bring her son here... there is no reason on god's green earth that she or any other friend or family member or what have you, should have put together a fund to allow her to now bring her son back to poland and bury him. OUR COUNTRY SHOULD BE FOOTING THIS BILL! I am almost sick to my stomach to have to call myself canadian.

Malgosia	Nov 18, 07, 23:20 #288
Quoting: randompal no but they kill people without hesitation oh can it homo.. i think its already been established that this incident is tragic and in a sense isolated since this sort of thing doesnt happen everyday, at least not in Canada. And those RCMPS are not a reflection of ALL police officers in Canada. Learn something child.

Malgosia	Nov 18, 07, 23:23 #289
Quoting: home123 Sounds like your Dad was a "milicjant" NOT a cap, hah? whats a milicjant..?

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Nov 18, 07, 23:35 #290
Quoting: Malgosia whats a milicjant..? it's millitia. It was a communist equivalent of police. The main difference was that while police is not supposed to represent or support any particular political view, milicja was very much an armed wing of communist oppression. I don;t even think it was possible to work for milicja without being a member of the communist party.

home123	Nov 19, 07, 01:27 #291
Quoting: Malgosia whats a milicjant..? You said you lived in Poland?! Who are you kidding?

home123	Nov 19, 07, 01:39 #292
Quoting: Wroclaw you are going to pick me up on something. At least keep it relevant to the topic. Nothing personal. The comment was not about you.... just a general note...pls read flwg post from Marecki, sums it up pretty well. (#286). Nonetheless, sorry you felt offended. Good luck! :)

miranda	Edited by: miranda Nov 19, 07, 05:20 #293
URL RCMP and public outrage

miranda

Nov 19, 07, 05:28 #294

Quoting: Wroclaw

Can someone tell me what a petition can do that an official complaint from one person can't do.The Polish Government, through their official, has made a complaint. What more do you need ?

it is because many Canadians don't trust that the government will conduct a fair investigation, thereofre they want to make sure that it will be done. There is no guarntee and it may take years, but every word counts.
Alos, people are worried that if RCMP so freerly used force, one day, another innocent citizen might be a victim. It has happened before and nauczyciel posted a thred on a retired men in Kelowna, who was tasered after parking in the wrong place. So, Dziaknski's death is not an isolated incident.

teekona

Nov 19, 07, 10:59 #295

This incident represents the dark side of Canadian society. It's times like this that a political point can be made. For example a petition sure, but all it really does is that it represents a group of faceless people who are collective in there thoughts. But politicians want to be re-elected. So along with petitions call your local M.L.A., phone so many times that their offices are swamped with explanations and they have no time for other work , tell them what you want the governement to do after all it is your government. Do it as often as you can, it is your right, and tell them if nothing happens than they are not going to be re-elected. Tell them to answer your concerns,in a lettter outlining what they have down about it. Remember Canada has minority government, and they don't want to come down from their lofty perch. You do have the power. Use that Polish perserverance.

Malgosia

Nov 19, 07, 13:19 #296

Quoting: home123

You said you lived in Poland?! Who are you kidding?

alright smart ass... just because i lived in poland until I was 8 years old does mean I mastered and retained all the terminology. think about it (i know, its a hard concept to grasp but take your time). i dont exactly sit at home and read up on polish vocabulary every night!

geez..im really sick of how stupid and ignorant most people in this forum are...!
most of them prolly dont have an ounce of polish blood in them..they just like to harass those that do for god knows what reason!

Malgosia

Nov 19, 07, 13:21 #297

Quoting: z_darius

it's millitia. It was a communist equivalent of police. The main difference was that while police is not supposed to represent or support any particular political view, milicja was very much an armed wing of communist oppression. I don;t even think it was possible to work for milicja without being a member of the communist party.

thank you.. commusnism was the reason we left Poland so i doubt my dad was a milicjant. we lived in a very tiny town and if my dad was affiliated with that in any way i would have known...hopefully!!

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Nov 19, 07, 14:13 #298

There is so much hate on this forum...I personally believe it was simply an accident. None of us knows EXACTLY what has happened to this guy. He easily could have had a heart condition ... From what I remember there were a few Poles murdered recently in UK and I am sure it was also an unfortunate accident. I have lived here for 21 years and have nothing but positive things to say about this country. It is beautiful, people are very nice and polite and I have never ever encountered anything negative because I am Polish. Canada gave me the opportunity to make something of myself and I did. Certain people on this forum probably had a bad experience, but it does not mean every Polish person visiting will be treated like a criminal. I invite all Poles with open arms and hope to prove people like puzzler wrong.

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,340 Joined: Feb 20, 07 ♂	Edited by: szarlotka Nov 19, 07, 14:17 #299
Nice post Mika. Your experience echoes that of people of different nationalities that I know who have been warmly welcomed in Canada.

miranda	Edited by: miranda Nov 19, 07, 14:22 #300
I think that Mika and Puzzler are on the opposite side of the spectrum when it comes to Canada.

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