Polish Visitor to Vancouver Canada killed by RCMP TASER on the Airport

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,340 Joined: Feb 20, 07 ♂	Nov 19, 07, 14:24 #301
True Miranda. All I can say is that I only know one person who has had problems in Canada but nearly 20 who love it and wouldn't come back to Europe

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Edited by: Canadianguy Nov 19, 07, 19:28 #302

Quoting: Mika

There is so much hate on this forum...I personally believe it was simply an accident. None of us knows EXACTLY what has happened to this guy. He easily could have had a heart condition ... From what I remember there were a few Poles murdered recently in UK and I am sure it was also an unfortunate accident. I have lived here for 21 years and have nothing but positive things to say about this country. It is beautiful, people are very nice and polite and I have never ever encountered anything negative because I am Polish. Canada gave me the opportunity to make something of myself and I did. Certain people on this forum probably had a bad experience, but it does not mean every Polish person visiting will be treated like a criminal. I invite all Poles with open arms and hope to prove people like puzzler wrong.

THANK YOU.

Based on what i have read here, i was starting to assume that it was customary for Polish people to travel to my country and conduct themselves in a threatening way to our citizens, our airport security while trashing our property.

let me tell you this...

If you come to my country and act like a wild beast...expect trouble for yourself...I dont care who he was or what his interests were..it is irrelevant......Our Mounties will do whats necessary to tame you. This guy was a strapping 40 year old male who was violent. He walked away from officers and then grabbed a black object off the desk.

Now stop trashing Canada and our Royal Canadian Mounted Police. if you call rcmp criminals expect some feedback

I plan on visiting Poland in Fall of 2008..If i behave that way in your Warsaw airport i guarantee i will be dealt with in a most aggressive manner. I would deserve to have a Polish baton smash my skull.

I bet Polish Police quietly support their brothers in Canada.

every Month some cold blooded lunatic kills a member

Mags	Nov 19, 07, 20:16 #303
Quoting: szarlotka True Miranda. All I can say is that I only know one person who has had problems in Canada but nearly 20 who love it and wouldn't come back to Europe i wouldnt go back either.... there are so many more opportunities here. Even thought i miss my family alot, I need a good career and my university education will actually land me a good job here...

Mags

Nov 19, 07, 20:26 #304

Quoting: Canadianguy

If you come to my country and act like a wild beast.

easy there wild beast.... maybe the man was predisposed to some form of a mental illness and the stress and anxiety got the best of him... he should have been restrained physically until reinforcement came.

Quoting: Canadianguy

Our Mounties will do whats necessary to tame you.

he's was not an animal needing to be tamed

Quoting: szarlotka

if you call rcmp criminals expect some feedback

RCMP are not criminals... but killing a defenseless man who was not resisting is cause for a criminal charge and I hope the RCMP at fault will be held accountable and spend many years in prison. Police get away with way too much. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that you only need a 2 year collage diploma to get into the police force, which doesnt really say much about you. I definitely think that police officers should go through more education and training if they are to have the power to take away someone's life. Also, the type of people that typically strive to become police officers are power seekers and authoritarian personality styles that want a socially acceptable medium for expressing their aggression. I think the psychological testing they need to go through should become more intensified as well.

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Edited by: JMSO Nov 19, 07, 21:16 #305

I just can't believe this happened! I felt so angry inside when I heard about it and had watched part of the video on the news. I think anyone who had been
-travelling for over 10 hours without much sleep or food and
-arrived in a foreign country unable to speak the language
-then found out he had been waiting in the wrong area for over 6 hours in the baggage area where there is nothing to eat or drink, and probably didn't want to leave in search of amenities for fear of missing the trusted person who said they would meet them there,
-which would bring his travelling time to close to 16 hours.
I think anyone who found themselves in this same situation would be abit upset and maybe not in the best of moods.
May God bring much peace and comfort to family & all his friends.

Tokyo

Nov 19, 07, 23:08 #306

Quoting: Mags

conduct themselves in a threatening way to our citizens

Nice to see you try to justify your Canadian pride. Not really needed, though. Do you know what had happened in the long hours BEFORE he was "violent" at your "international airport"? Go to HKG, Seoul, Singapore, Tokyo or any other major Asian airport to see international, the level of service, assistance and perfection, how hard these people work to get you thru immigration, customs, etc. all of them foreigners NOT locals returning home. In Tokyo this is usually a 15-20 min. procedure from disemarking to being FREE to go with luggage! I was once in Tokyo arriving at an odd hour or a national holiday (sorry, can't remember) and approaching immigration booths there were only 3-4 agents working, another 10 or so booths empty. Then, there must have been just another flight at the gates because people started to flood the area. Immediately 5-6 additional immigration agents were practically RUNNING TO THEIR BOOTHS to accomodate the sudden crowd! We were all out in the customary 3-5 minutes. That's service! And for most people it is hard to get pissed and start throwing chairs 5 min. after arrival. 6-10 hours later, well...that might be another story. Also, not to worry in Poland, they will surely have you out and free in no time! But if you want to "test" them, why don't you ask for some help - finding a cab, hotel, map, etc. and report back. Have fun and welcome to Poland! :)

Mags	Nov 19, 07, 23:27 #307
Quoting: Tokyo Quoting: Mags conduct themselves in a threatening way to our citizens umm i never said that

home123

Nov 19, 07, 23:29 #308

Quoting: Malgosia

geez..im really sick of how stupid and ignorant most people in this forum are...!
most of them prolly dont have an ounce of polish blood in them..they just like to harass those that do for god knows what reason!

Yeah, you're right...your negative and now rude (smartass...) tone caught my attention and I started replying to your posts. BTW, your father was very likely a milicjant based on the time frame you provided. Truth be told, many "milicjants" were just normal guys going after drunks and "trouble makers", so don't feel like being picked on. But to be positive, good luck! and have fun in Canada! :) but please don't be rude when the other side just disagrees with you.

home123

Nov 19, 07, 23:39 #309

Quoting: z_darius

it's millitia. It was a communist equivalent of police. The main difference was that while police is not supposed to represent or support any particular political view, milicja was very much an armed wing of communist oppression. I don;t even think it was possible to work for milicja without being a member of the communist party.

Well. yes and no...on "a street level" they were pretty much just like any other police force, going after everyday crime, drunks at night, lound neighbors, teenage fights, property crime, etc. On the political side, they surely had no freedom to change anything.

MagsThreads: - Posts: 8 Joined: Nov 19, 07 ♀	Nov 19, 07, 23:44 #310
Quoting: home123 BTW, your father was very likely a milicjant based on the time frame you provided. so every cop was automatically a milicjant during communism? I don't understand your reasoning.

MagsThreads: - Posts: 8 Joined: Nov 19, 07 ♀	Nov 19, 07, 23:48 #311
Quoting: home123 I don;t even think it was possible to work for milicja without being a member of the communist party. From what I understand, milicjant can also mean plain old policeman. Aren't there multiple interpretations? Homo123... my dad was not associated with communism in anyway... that insinuation was not very nice

Ana LizaThreads: - Posts: 1 Joined: Nov 20, 07 ♀	Nov 20, 07, 00:59 #312
Canadian government must be ashamed of themselves. How could they shoot a helpless person with a stun gun? Obviously the Royal Canadian Mounted Police need to know more about how to manage aggression.

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Edited by: Puzzler Nov 20, 07, 01:30 #313

Quoting: Mika

There is so much hate on this forum

- Actually, there is so much hate and discrimination against Polish people in Canada. No amount of babbling, no amount of denial - both from arrogant crude Canadian chauvinists, like the one calling himself 'Canadianguy,' and from pseudo-Poles on this forum - is going to change it. Canadians are incorrigible Polonophobic racists. This racism goes back to the times, some 100 years ago, when Polish people, arriving in Canada at the invitation from Canadian government were called in Canadian Anglican churches: 'the scum of Europe (Norman Davies alludes to this incident in his 'God's Playground. A History of Poland.'). I know that non-Poles prefer to believe Canadians, not us Poles, when we complain about Canadian abuses and Canadians contradict us.
Most average people tend to flatter the rich, and Canada is perceived as
rich and has a very nice media image, whereas we are poor and our media image is very negative. Also, Canadians are more hypocritical than we choose to be; today Canadians pretend to be oh so amicable and accomodating towards the Chinese, East Indians, Blacks, the whole Third World. Only we Poles are being kept aside by them for their racist fun. The Canadian prejudice against Poles hasn't weakened a jot; actually, as the most recent murder of a Pole seems to show, it has become stronger.

The graceless and abhorrent behavior of many Canadians in this forum has only strengthened my conviction (derived from a long personal experience of living in Canada) that Canadians are, generally, strongly prejudiced against the Poles and that they deny they are Polonophobic because they prefer to keep this prejudice alive. In their opinion, we Poles are sufficiently unimportant and weak to treat us as they treated in the past native Indians or Negroes. I shall never forget and never forgive, and will be tirelessly exposing your abuses, psychopathic racists and murderers. The times are changing; now you are stronger and are free to abuse us with impunity, but this is going to change in the future, without fail. Then we will see.

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Nov 20, 07, 02:00 #314

Oops, I can see that the pro-Canadian censorship is very vigilant here: my post, where I compare the pic of the Canadian 'mountie' to the pic of SS-man has vanished right on the spot. Why do you call this forum 'Polish,' if you don't allow real Polish people to express themselves in it? You should read what real Polish people on real Polish forums say about the murder of the Pole by the Canadian Nazi 'police.'

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Edited by: Puzzler Nov 20, 07, 02:19 #315

Quoting: Canadianguy

i was starting to assume that it was customary for Polish people to travel to my country and conduct themselves in a threatening way to our citizens, our airport security while trashing our property.

Quoting: Canadianguy

If you come to my country and act like a wild beast...expect trouble for yourself...I dont care who he was or what his interests were..it is irrelevant......Our Mounties will do whats necessary to tame you. This guy was a strapping 40 year old male who was violent. He walked away from officers and then grabbed a black object off the desk.

- Harken to the voice of real Canada. - See what he has done? - He has turned it all upside down: in spite of the crystal clear evidence, he has put the blame on the murdered Mr Dziekanski, not on the 'royal' psychopathic killers, and he is talkin' arrogantly, threateningly and condemningly to the Poles who, in his imagination, may want to come to Canada. He suggests that Poles coming to Canada act like a 'wild beast.' That's the real Canadian attitude towards the Poles.
:)

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Nov 20, 07, 04:05 #316

Mags tazered the correct on the top of page 11.
Hey canadianguy from one canadian guy to another, I encourage you to expand you perspective a little. I won't deny that arriving in a foreign airport and trashing the place is a recipe for disaster. But certainly 4 officers shouldn't need to electrocute a person before even attempting to physically restrain him.

Was the guy acting like a complete moron and dickhead? Yes.
Should he have been sent back home? Yes.
Should he have been killed? no
Should he have been "left to wander" for 10 hours (as has been reported)? No
Should the authorities have lied to his mother about his whereabouts? No
Is it fair to compare the RCMP to the Nazi's? I can't say I have any first hand experience with Nazi's so it's out of my element.

Police abuse doesn't seem to be restricted to one country or another, nor does prejudism. I think the first is the main issue we should be concerned with, and the 2nd is something to work on in the process.

miranda	Nov 20, 07, 05:22 #317
URL more news on Dziekanski

nauczyciel	Nov 20, 07, 06:39 #318
Puzzler.... your same old song and dance about hatred against Poles is getting rather tiring. You just keep on re-packaging the same drivel over and over, arguing in semantics.

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Edited by: Puzzler Nov 20, 07, 17:17 #319

Quoting: nauczyciel

Puzzler.... your same old song and dance about hatred against Poles is getting rather tiring.

You just keep on re-packaging the same drivel over and over, arguing in semantics.

- I am well aware that my statements bounce off you without any effect. This only confirms my view that those of your ilk are incorrigible callous psychopathic Polonophobes and chauvinists.

Hehe, and yet there must be something in my alleged 'same old song and dance,' 'drivel' and 'arguing in semantics' if you replied to it, pal. I suspect it's not 'tiring' to you, but rather pi$$ing you off for some reason. I wonder what this reason may be?
:)
I won't shut up, but will be exposing the dirty secrets of your wonderful country anywhere I can.

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Edited by: Puzzler Nov 20, 07, 17:31 #320

Quoting: Foreigner4

I can't say I have any first hand experience with Nazi's so it's out of my element

- Don't you live in Canada, pal? Your country took in scores of German Nazi criminals. Besides, isn't RCMP the Canadian police? Haven't you wiped off the whole Indian tribes? What mentality lay behind these murders? Perhaps a fascist one, don't you think? Isn't the chauvinism, jingoism and lack of any remorse you and your countrymen have shown in this forum the evidence of your ageless never-changing fascist mentality?
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miranda	Nov 20, 07, 18:02 #321
Quoting: Puzzler - Don't you live in Canada, pal? he lives in Poland - check your facts P

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Nov 20, 07, 19:22 #322

Quoting: miranda

more news on Dziekanski

I wonder if there is someone at the airport, a baggage clerk or attendant of some sort who finally did come to his aid and had gone to find an interpreter but by the time she came back Mr. Dziekanski was found in this tragic state.

I still think this weapon affects people differently and can be dangerous to health if the person targetted is under stress, or has increased adrenaline. Most of those who volunteer to be tazered are expecting it, are in a completely rested frame of mind, and are not agitated or angry. I wonder if these tests are similar to testing apples and oranges - a completely different response for each situation.

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Edited by: Puzzler Nov 20, 07, 20:07 #323

Quoting: miranda

he lives in Poland - check your facts P

- He sounds like a Canadian. Well, my mistake, or is it? - I asked him where he lived, and gave my lowdown in case he lived in Canada. Anyhow, thanks for correcting me, Mirandka. Any replies from the Canadian politicians you sent your protests to? I must admit I doubt the reply, and especially appropriate action, can ever come from them. I suspect - sorry for my bluntness - that your protests have ended up at the bottom of their rubbish bin, or, as they call it crudely in Canada, 'garbage basket.' I don't want to sound naughty, but your protests may have meant no more than mere yapping to them. And what are you gonna do about it, wen..., oops, girl?

Quoting: Ana Liza

Canadian government must be ashamed of themselves. How could they shoot a helpless person with a stun gun? Obviously the Royal Canadian Mounted Police need to know more about how to manage aggression.

- Right on the spot, Ana Liza. I couldn't put it better. Thank you.

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Nov 20, 07, 21:54 #324

Quoting: Puzzler

As I have mentioned above, racism is contagious.

So is ignorance and stupidity. My grandfather took two bullets in WWII to free your grandfather you ungrateful ***********. Racism exists on all levels of any country against all nationalities. Canadian tourists get killed in Mexico for pocket change, unfortunate but it happens. No one here is calling for a boycott of Mexico. Complete immaturity, go back to your Nintendo loser.

PolishWings

Nov 20, 07, 22:57 #325

Dont even start with that ******** about "your grandfather freed someone", jesus christ, the only reason anyone from canada even went to war was because canada was britians luggage carrier, and america didnt even want war until they themeselves got bombed. its funny, america and canada decide to "free" the people in afganistan and iraq all of a sudden, when they get attacked. whatever, i hate you and i hate north america, this place is going to rot soon enough, keep borrowing money from "less civilized" countries

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Nov 20, 07, 23:25 #326

Quoting: denim73

So is ignorance and stupidity

- Is it? You're talking from personal experience, surely?

You're indeed very ignorant, for instance about history of WWII.

Well, pal, you seem to have no guts, no honesty to admit: 'Yes, there is Polonophobia in my country.'

Maybe such an admission could be the magic word, who knows?

Compared to the likes of you, many people in UK, including some participants in this forum, are gutsy and honest; they admit there's Polonophobia in their country. Therefore they have my deep respect.

MagsThreads: - Posts: 8 Joined: Nov 19, 07 ♀	Nov 20, 07, 23:48 #327
Quoting: denim73 go back to your Nintendo loser. hey whats wrong with nintendo? nintendo kicks ass...!!

home123	Nov 21, 07, 01:11 #328
Quoting: denim73 Canadian tourists get killed in Mexico for pocket change, unfortunate but it happens. That might be true, but NOT by police force. You're talking about plain and simple street crime and this does not justify what happened to Robert.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Nov 21, 07, 01:13 #329
Quoting: home123 That might be true, but NOT by police force. Those kidnapped and killed by Mexican cops are not even found :) Ever been to Mexico? The last thing you want is to have to deal with Mexican cops.

home123	Nov 21, 07, 04:28 #330
Wow! Some police they got down there...:) Thanks for the warning!

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