Polish Visitor to Vancouver Canada killed by RCMP TASER on the Airport

miranda

Edited by: miranda Nov 21, 07, 05:20 #331

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VANCOUVER -- Firefighters at Vancouver's airport firehall are angry that they were not called to respond the night Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski died, even though they say emergency response protocol dictates they should have been there.
"They're all pissed off," said Ron Gilroy, a long-time airport firefighter and union leader who now trains airport staff on the use of defibrillators, and remains in contact with the firehall.
The National Post reported yesterday that Karol Vrba, a probationary airfield operations specialist who is conversant in Polish, was in the operations centre when calls came in reporting Mr. Dziekanski's destructive behaviour. He was not asked to help and has since been fired.
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Quoting: JMSO

I still think this weapon affects people differently and can be dangerous to health if the person targetted is under stress, or has increased adrenaline. Most of those who volunteer to be tazered are expecting it, are in a completely rested frame of mind, and are not agitated or angry. I wonder if these tests are similar to testing apples and oranges - a completely different response for each situation.

absolutely.

Quoting: Puzzler

Any replies from the Canadian politicians you sent your protests to?

yes

Quoting: Puzzler

I don't want to sound naughty, but your protests may have meant no more than mere yapping to them.

I don't think so. There has been some progress - please follow the news I provide on daily basis. I personally don't have the time to upate you on every detail

Quoting: Puzzler

And what are you gonna do about it, wen..., oops, girl?

It hasn't happened yet. I will deal with it when it happens.

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Nov 21, 07, 19:21 #332

Quoting: Canadianguy

THANK YOU.

Well Said!

Quoting: Puzzler

Compared to the likes of you, many people in UK, including some participants in this forum, are gutsy and honest; they admit there's Polonophobia in their country. Therefore they have my deep respect.

Well considering I'm on a Polish forum defending my country and I'm speaking from the heart I would consider myself gutsy and honest. Puzzler, I don't know you, I don't care to know you, but what I can assume is that you are a very hateful, spiteful man who only has respect for those who share the same hypocritical and disillusioned sentiments as you. I've seen your posts. You alienated Canadians, Russians, Ukranians, British, Arabs, Americans....the list goes on. You are a very pathetic person. You must be tired carrying that much resentment around with you for so long. Maybe you should give your Mom a call, I'm sure she still loves you.

Quoting: PolishWings

Dont even start with that ******** about "your grandfather freed someone", jesus christ, the only reason anyone from canada even went to war was because canada was britians luggage carrier, and america didnt even want war until they themeselves got bombed. its funny, america and canada decide to "free" the people in afganistan and iraq all of a sudden, when they get attacked. whatever, i hate you and i hate north america, this place is going to rot soon enough, keep borrowing money from "less civilized" countries

I'll carry on with it all day long friend. I'm proud of my family. Canada was still in it's infancy during WWII, ill-equipped but they went to fight anyways. What difference did Poland ever (try to) make? What the hell is Poland trying to do to stop global terrorism? Poland still can't sort out 50 year old ******** with the Russians. We did not go on account of America, they weren't even a factor.

Your right though, with people like you living here we will rot. Your a spiteful hate-filled little man.

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Nov 21, 07, 19:52 #333

Quoting: denim73

What the hell is Poland trying to do to stop global terrorism?

We're in Afghanistan right now....

Quoting: denim73

Poland still can't sort out 50 year old ******** with the Russians.

North America can't control a couple of Mexicans.....

Quoting: denim73

Your a spiteful hate-filled little man.

And you really aren't showing him how a non-spiteful man would act. I understand you are getting a bit pissed when people talk trash, but don't forget that it's the internet. If you really hate the guy, be the bigger man, and hit that little "X" in the top right corner of your screen. It's no use getting pissed at someone you can't even see.

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Edited by: hello Nov 21, 07, 23:12 #334

I've just watched the videos. These are terrible. I feel very sorry for Robert's family and friends...

I don't want to start another topic, but for me this whole paranoia has started thanks to the US policies on the airports that are now like a prison - whatever abuse happens at the airport will be treated as if it was on the field battle or in a prison -- no consequences against the abusers. Thanks to the current US government for creating this paranoia and imposing it on other countries. And thanks to the army lobbyists who support it.

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Edited by: Puzzler Nov 22, 07, 02:31 #335

Quoting: miranda

Mr. Dziekanski's destructive behaviour

- What was this alleged 'destructive behaviour' of Mr Dziekanski, I fancy? - So, by using the phrase 'destructive behavour,' the media psychos are putting the blame on Mr Dziekanski now, not on those who showed extremely destructive behaviour - the customs psychopaths and RCMP killers?

Quoting: miranda

calls came in reporting Mr. Dziekanski's destructive behaviour

- First the customs scum tormented the man, until, after 10 hours of this, he eventually lost his patience, at which they started complaining about his allegedly 'destructive behaviour,' depicting this behaviour as being unreasonable without any cause - that is, without their tormenting him being the cause. The customs scum - and in Canada they are exceptional scum indeed - should be held as responsible for the murder of Mr Dziekanski as the 'mountie' RCMP killers. By the way, what are the names of all the bastards involved in Mr Dziekanski's murder? What are ther surnames? Where do they live?

Quoting: denim73

You alienated ... British ...

- And what do you mean by that?

- Give proof I 'alienated' the British.

Now you are an incorrigible pathetic Polonophobic Canadian racist. Your posts are actually evidence of your racism. The old mentality of lynching, tormenting the weaker, killing of Native Indians, eh?

Thank you for the evidence; gimme more of it.
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PS. When the world will learn who those like you really are, you won't be as 'respected' as you are now, hehehe. I'll help it happen.

home123

Nov 22, 07, 03:41 #336

Quoting: miranda

He was not asked to help and has since been fired.
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Fired for what?! Does anyone know?

Quoting: miranda

VANCOUVER -- Firefighters at Vancouver's airport firehall are angry that they were not called to respond the night Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski died, even though they say emergency response protocol dictates they should have been there.
"They're all pissed off," said Ron Gilroy, a long-time airport firefighter and union leader who now trains airport staff on the use of defibrillators, and remains in contact with the firehall.
The National Post reported yesterday that Karol Vrba, a probationary airfield operations specialist who is conversant in Polish, was in the operations centre when calls came in reporting Mr. Dziekanski's destructive behavior. He was not asked to help and has since been fired.

Yeah! Here you go! Next time there is a need for a Polish interpreter....No problem...the guy is gone!:) Oh, better yet...why don't they fire every bilingual employee so that no matter what the nationality next time...if you don't know the English language, you are out of luck bacause nobody can talk to you. Zap-zap....How much lower can Canadian authorities go with all this?! This is sick!

miranda	Edited by: miranda Nov 22, 07, 05:41 #337
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Globalizer	Nov 22, 07, 09:43 #338
Quoting: denim73 global terrorism? Global what? You must be watching too much cable...:) I hope most of us on this forum don't know the first thing about terrorism....more like carjacking our asses would be closer to home...and I would personally worry more about not getting hit by some drive-by-maniac than global terrorism.

true1	Nov 22, 07, 09:43 #339
Quoting: Ursus I'd get pissed off too if I was locked up in a room for hours not knowing what was going on. If he learned English before he went to Canada it wouldn't happened. What's wrong with learning languages, especially important languages like English. Don't get me wrong. There's nothing wrong with Polish language or people but to be honest, how many people in the world know Polsih?

Ebi	Nov 22, 07, 10:39 #340
Who cares how many people know Polish? The fact remains that there should be airport staff who can help you, no matter what language you speak.

miranda	Nov 22, 07, 10:54 #341
Quoting: Globalizer Global what? You must be watching too much cable...: probably;)

PolishWings

Nov 22, 07, 13:28 #342

Quoting: denim73

of my family. Canada was still in it's infancy during WWII, ill-equipped but they went to fight anyways. What difference did Poland ever (try to) make? What the hell is Poland trying to do to stop global terrorism? Poland still can't sort out 50 year old ******** with the Russians. We did not go on account of America

what difference did poland ever make? are you mentally handicapped? we were the first nation to actually fight, we never surrendered, decyphered the enigma code, had the strongest underground resistance in the history of mankind, fought in the battle of britain getting the msot kills of any fighter squadron, and lost a million man army. you want to talk about going to fight ILL EQUIPPED? try ww1 cannons, single shot outdated rifles against the entire german WW2 army, without any officers, (look up katyn) because your being backstabbed by the world 2 biggest superpowers, and your "allies" that swore to protect you dont do anything because they think the war wont ever reach them. Please, canadas pathetic army did nothing in any war, ever. canada is america and the UK's watchdog, i cannot wait till the middle east runs out of oil and america decides to "save" alberta from opression. and by the way, Poland is in the middle east....not for long though, we realized we dont want to be miners for america's games.

oh and about the rotting thing, America's economy is basically failing on all levels, and will crumble completely in the next decade or two. since canada's economy is closely linked....well your semi-retarted and can probably figure it out.

the future is the EU and china! start learning chinese brother, cause soon we will have a much more dangerous threat then terrorists...lol

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Edited by: Administrator Nov 22, 07, 21:45 #343

Quoting: PolishWings

the future is the EU and china! start learning chinese brother, cause soon we will have a much more dangerous threat then terrorists...lol

Well at least we can agree on that.

Quoting: Puzzler

PS. When the world will learn who those like you really are, you won't be as 'respected' as you are now, hehehe. I'll help it happen.

Well your not much good for anything else instead of spreading lies and propaganda anyways so knock yourself out. I'm sure you will be a force to be reckoned with.

Quoting: Puzzler

The old mentality of lynching, tormenting the weaker, killing of Native Indians, eh?

WTF? You on crack?

Quoting: Puzzler

And what do you mean by that?

- Give proof I 'alienated' the British.

"How many Britons have made fortunes from the Polish workers' toil? How many Britons sit cozily on welfare thanks to the Polish workers' toil? - If the Polish workers weren't VERY beneficial to UK, your government would never allow them in."

This rant sound familiar, it should you wrote it on another thread. Turns out you're a LIAR and a HYPOCRITE.

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Nov 23, 07, 02:02 #344

Ooooh zinger by Miranda but a good recovery by puzzler. you're both right. Yeah i'm canadian and no i don't live in canada.

Quoting: Puzzler

Your country took in scores of German Nazi criminals. Besides, isn't RCMP the Canadian police? Haven't you wiped off the whole Indian tribes? What mentality lay behind these murders? Perhaps a fascist one, don't you think? Isn't the chauvinism, jingoism and lack of any remorse you and your countrymen have shown in this forum the evidence of your ageless never-changing fascist mentality?

but hey "pal" (sorry but you come off like a punk when you write that), do you honestly think i feel responsible for nazi's coming to "my" country? I wasn't even alive then, an astute command of the irrelevant you have there.

And for gawd sakes don't write "Haven't you wiped off the whole.." No, you twit, I wasn't alive then and Canada wasn't a country then. It was the Europeans who did that and gradually established the country. Any accusations of ageless fascisism would have to originate in Europe if we follow your definition.

In the end it is very sad that this happened again (Nova Scotia) a couple days ago, and the count is actually quite high over the last couple years.

miranda

Nov 23, 07, 06:39 #345

[url=Vancouver-area family questions Border Services in wake of Dziekanski death
19 hours ago
VANCOUVER - A Metro Vancouver family says the stranding of Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski at Vancouver International Airport was not a unique occurrence.
Maj Wahage says his niece, who spoke no English, was lost for seven hours while waiting to clear customs after arriving on a flight from Iran.
Wahage says, like Dziekanski's mother, he was given incorrect information by a customs officer and was assured his niece was no longer at the airport.
Wahage says he panicked and it was only after another customs officer offered to search the immigration hall that his exhausted niece was found sleeping on a bench, still inside the immigration area.
The incident happened three years ago, but Wahage notes it is eerily similar to the Dziekanski incident.
While he says everyone is questioning the use of Tasers, the actions and lack of assistance by Canada Border Services members should also be closely scrutinized.][/url]

Foreigner4Threads: 21 Posts: 1,747 Joined: Nov 18, 07 ♂	Nov 23, 07, 08:08 #346
Miranda is getting to the heart of the matter.

miranda	Edited by: miranda Nov 24, 07, 05:52 #347
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WroclawThreads: 74 Posts: 7,276 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Nov 24, 07, 06:01 #348
I'll be looking out for news of the rally and the support it gets/doesn't get. It will give a better idea of the strength of feeling.

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Edited by: Puzzler Nov 24, 07, 06:30 #349

Quoting: miranda

Wahage says he panicked and it was only after another customs officer offered to search the immigration hall that his exhausted niece was found sleeping on a bench, still inside the immigration area.

- They helped an Iranian uncle to find his niece, but didn't allow a Polish mother to contact her son....

Somehow, I find it hard to believe that the Iranian's experience at the Vancouver airport is analogous to that of Mr Dziekanski, because I know from autopsy the attitude of the Canadian customs (sadistic) psychopaths towards the Poles.

Somebody has said that some explanations based on analogies are good for fools only.

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Nov 24, 07, 06:32 #350

Quoting: Globalizer

Global what? You must be watching too much cable...:) I hope most of us on this forum don't know the first thing about terrorism....more like carjacking our asses would be closer to home...and I would personally worry more about not getting hit by some drive-by-maniac than global terrorism.

I absolutely agree, and I wish that in a perfect world we could be bothered by neither, however in the real world the ignorant will suffer at the cost of terrorist agendas. (Man this post is getting way of topic). I pesonnaly don't agree with the current methods subscribed by our governments, but the alternative is to sit and do nothing. Same issue with global warming.

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Edited by: denim73 Nov 24, 07, 06:41 #351

Quoting: miranda

The incident happened three years ago, but Wahage notes it is eerily similar to the Dziekanski incident.
While he says everyone is questioning the use of Tasers, the actions and lack of assistance by Canada Border Services members should also be closely scrutinized

I can guarantee you that incidents like this happen way more often than you think in any country, including Poland. I do not believe that Canada Border Services needs not to review their processing procedures at all. Canada gets millions of foreign visitors each year. It is reasonable to accept that you are going to have issues like this occur. Are you to tell me that a foreigner never got detained or lost in a Polish airport? I can gurantee that it has happened, and considering that Poland has significantly less traffic than North America, what would be the excuse then?

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Edited by: denim73 Nov 24, 07, 06:48 #352

Quoting: Puzzler

Besides, isn't RCMP the Canadian police? Haven't you wiped off the whole Indian tribes? What mentality lay behind these murders?

Yes and to this day we are still prosecuting them as we find them.

Quoting: Puzzler

Your country took in scores of German Nazi criminals

WTF are you talking about? Are all history books written in Poland found in the fiction section of your library? Spreading lies, hates and deceit. I swear I think you copy and paste all your posts. Same racist rant over and over again.

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Edited by: denim73 Nov 24, 07, 07:01 #353

Quoting: Dana001

I am afraid my firend that you should improve your
English first to make such stupid comments....well back to school would be beneficial for you my firend since your education sucks as most of the Canadians...

Yes, that would explain why Poland is an internationally recognized global superpower, because of all the highly intelligent citizens (much like the ones on this post) have produced. It's easy to see how such a country, so rich in culture, economic growth and technological advancement look down upon us poor pitiful Canadians. I used to think that the high degree of Polish immigration into our country was solely for the purpose of escaping the political transitions and limiting social standards. However now I know better, and the good people of Poland have decided to leave their comfortable lives in Poland and toil in our primitive country for the sake of enlightening all Canadians everywhere. From all Canadians everywhere - thank you for all your international contributions that make this world a better place. Where would we be without you?

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Edited by: denim73 Nov 24, 07, 07:14 #354

Quoting: Canadianguy

I invite all Poles with open arms and hope to prove people like puzzler wrong.

Mika/Canadianguy, not to worry. No reasonable person has to prove that idiot wrong. Read his posts, it's the same regurgitated message of bigotry and hate this entire forum feeds on. Ignorant and malicious souls with their ringmaster the "puzzler". He puzzles us all with his hypocritcal rants, contrived historical accounts and mindless drivel. Bad things happen in every country and we don't necessarily have to perform a witch hunt to justify our anger. Remember that the Poles are upset that one of their countrymen are dead and few are trying to take advantage to suit their spiteful agendas. Most of this post is written by jealous and disillusioned zealots who couldn't, or can't make it here. For all we know puzzler could have been refused entry, extradited or just kicked out of a country that graciously gave him the same opportunities it gave us. Most win, some lose, thats life. Canada is a great country my friend, if it wasn't we would all be immigrating to Poland now wouldn't we? Dealing with people like these is much like being a rescue swimmer, save the ones you can, leave the ones that flail and cannot be helped.

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Edited by: Puzzler Nov 24, 07, 07:17 #355

Quoting: denim73

Same racist rant

- 'Racist rant'? Who's really racist here? :)

I always say that racists nowadays are indeed adroit in using the human rights terminology to their own advantage. The thought occured to me first in Canada, actually.... :)

Now, denim, it may sound a bit shocking to you what I'm about to tell you, so brace yourself. - Having read your posts, I have come to the conclusion that, in spite of your ignorance of history, silly denials, etc., you're basically a good guy - a good Canadian guy, that is. As for me, I'm not really into hating without cease and carrying out never-ending vendettas. I've got a grudge, which is powerful and overwhelming to me, against some aspects of Canadian life I had to put up with. So, I think, I should describe my Canadian experiences here, let go, with total honesty, all my bitterness and hatred. And then, I hope - I'm sure actually - the bitterness and hatred will end and I shall be free from them. And then we all can patch up and try to communicate peacefully and - how shall I put it? - work together to prevent such tragedies from happening as the one at the Vancouver Airport. What would you say to this? - Anyhow, whatever you should say to this, I'm going to go ahead with my post on my plight in Canada.

miranda

Edited by: miranda Nov 24, 07, 07:23 #356

Quoting: denim73

I can guarantee you that incidents like this happen way more often than you think in any country, including Poland. I do not believe that Canada Border Services needs not to review their processing procedures at all. Canada gets millions of foreign visitors each year. It is reasonable to accept that you are going to have issues like this occur. Are you to tell me that a foreigner never got detained or lost in a Polish airport? I can gurantee that it has happened, and considering that Poland has significantly less traffic than North America, what would be the excuse then?

what is your problem Denim, I am just posting news published in Canadian newpapers.
You have been defending Canada and the topic is about Dziekanski's death.
I think this incident brings unhealthy feelings on both sides and I am tired of it.

PuzzlerThreads: 11 Posts: 1,613 Joined: Mar 21, 07 ♂	Nov 24, 07, 07:32 #357
Quoting: miranda yes - Would you share those replies with the participants in this forum? I suspect some of them would be as curious as myself. Quoting: miranda I personally don't have the time to upate you on every detail Quoting: Puzzler - Are you suggesting I've been bugging you to 'upate' me on every detail? Every detail of what? :)

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Edited by: Puzzler Nov 24, 07, 07:39 #358

Quoting: denim73

"How many Britons have made fortunes from the Polish workers' toil? How many Britons sit cozily on welfare thanks to the Polish workers' toil? - If the Polish workers weren't VERY beneficial to UK, your government would never allow them in."

- Well, please explain to me how allegedly I am 'alienating' (all) Brits in the above-quoted fragment (which you have chopped out of its context, as manipulative liars do)?

Quoting: denim73

This rant sound familiar, it should you wrote it on another thread. Turns out you're a LIAR and a HYPOCRITE.

- Why do you call it a 'rant' and what specifically does it sound famliar to?

Prove, please, I'm a liar and hypocrite.

Actually, isn't it you who have been ranting - 'defending' something that no decent person should defend? Who are you pretending to be, pal?

miranda

Nov 24, 07, 07:41 #359

Quoting: Puzzler

- Would you share those replies with the participants in this forum? I suspect some of them would be as curious as myself.

got a letter from my PM who will participate in the rally today in Toronto in front of the provincial government building, together with Polish local TV an some Polonia representatives. She is the only PM who is going to participate.

Quoting: Puzzler

- Are you suggesting I've been bugging you to 'upate' me on every detail? Every detail of what?

absolutely;)

miranda

Edited by: miranda Nov 24, 07, 07:53 #360

Quoting: denim73

I can guarantee you that incidents like this happen way more often than you think in any country, including Poland

I am sure it has.

Quoting: denim73

I do not believe that Canada Border Services needs not to review their processing procedures at all.

absolutely, if public was informed about what messures these people are going to take, nobody would rise any questions. The problem lies in luck of information about the incident on their side not in Canada as a country.
Also, your unfriendly remarks about people on this board are out of line. Keep it cool.

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